3 Way Deal Involving The Wings, Bolts, and Ducks

[bringback91 2]

Jeez, at least someone here has the common sense to see Osgood for what he is

All of you who cannot seem to get the fact past you that 1998 was ALMOST 8 YEARS AGO. Get over it Osgood isnt going to do this club any good.  Manny has what we who are educated past the 9th grade CONSISTENCY(sp?)!

Look at Osgoos and Mannys numbers from the last 3 or 4 years.  Yeah, manny has played about 30% less games than Osgood, but his numbers blow Osgood and his size XXS jock strap right out of the water. 

Osgood lovers base their argument on 1998

"The cult of Manny" can all say that their goaltender has been much more consistent, and deserves a chance in the playoffs.  Hell, he cant do much worse than osgood's long list of early exits 

And how many times do I have to say this: Didnt we kick this has-been to the curb for a reason

Here we go again:

First, I'll believe this rumor when I get even a whiff of it from somewhere else.

Osgood has played like crap this season, but if you think he hasn't played well since 1998, you haven't been watching.

The 30% less games Manny has played is a HUGE difference. Manny's never been a starter. That's a fact you can't get around. He's never even played a full season. That doesn't mean he can't, but it does mean that the stats you're comparing don't mean a thing because it's nowhere near apples to apples.

Manny doesn't have many early playoff exits because no one has ever seen fit to start him in the playoffs except last season, when he got yanked for a better goaltender after having a terrible game. Remember? Does getting benched not count as an early playoff exit?

Even great goalies have early playoff exits. But I think Ozzy's name on the Cup as a starting goaltender probably eases some of those painful memories.

In 1996, when the 24-year old Osgood started his 50th NHL game, he already acheived more in his career than Manny (who is virtually the same age) has to date.

If Osgood is a has been, Manny is a never was.

Better in your opionion, plus the Wings bailed on him after one bad game (the D wasn't so swift if you remember) we'll never know what could have happened if they just let Manny play. Couldn't have been worse than what did happen, right?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Better in your opionion, plus the Wings bailed on him after one bad game (the D wasn't so swift if you remember) we'll never know what could have happened if they just let Manny play. Couldn't have been worse than what did happen, right?

Are you seriously saying that Legace is better than Curtis Joseph???

Last playoffs, Manny got yanked after giving up 3 goals on 11 shots against the Predators.

And yes, it could've been worse. We could've lost that series. And we could've been blown out by Calgary.

Last playoffs, Cujo had a Save % of .939 and a GAA of 1.38 (versus Manny's .905 and 2.18)

Joseph simply gave us a better chance to win.

Not to mention this season for the Coyotes, Joseph has a SV% of .932 and a GAA of 2.12.

To think Legace is better than Joseph is downright delusional.

[theman19 47]

for the love of bob probert i hope howard gets in net and stomps then both so i never have to hear this stupid legacy vs. osgood debate again

[Rice 42]

for the love of bob probert i hope howard gets in net and stomps then both so i never have to hear this stupid legacy vs. osgood debate again

Then it'd be Howard vs Sawchuk

[Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 55]

for the love of bob probert i hope howard gets in net and stomps then both so i never have to hear this stupid legacy vs. osgood debate again

How is it that you are a Redwings fan and you dont know how to spell LEGACE????

All of your credibility concerning this issue has totally left your posts

[CupCrazy22 8]

This is a rumor and more then likely false. Give it a break. There is nothing to say until it happens.

[Barnes52 0]

Wow.. You guys are real classy hockey fans. If it is all a bunch of b.s to you then dont reply. This will definately be the last time I start a thread in the rumor section. Mark my words right now.. Howard is in Detroit permanately. I'm pretty sure Holland would call down to GR and let them know why. Get a life please. Thanks again.

Hey dude,

I believe you, you don't have to be in "secret meetings" to hear things. Anyone who's worked in any organization knows that things get out and you don't need to be on the inside to feel a "buzz" or anything. Holland would tell Grand Rapids about this because GR needs to run a team also, they have to prepare if a player is not going to be available, no?

[theman19 47]

How is it that you are a Redwings fan and you dont know how to spell LEGACE????

All of your credibility concerning this issue has totally left your posts

How is it your a red wings fan and you have a brett hull avatar? I spelled something wrong,....here's a cookie for your incredible english lit prowess. I'd be careful casting stones though because that glass house your throwing them from just might get a few windows broken out. Pointing out a spelling error,...espically when i post most things at like 3 in the morning is a complete troll move. If you have something intellgent to add i await it.

Edited December 2, 2005 by theman19

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

AHHHH know I see where this rumor is comming from. Hell I'd kick you mouth but Osgood would get castrated. Another asshat sucking the 5hole of a has been goalie that got booted in favor a backup and a rookie. Just get over Osgood he will be a fixture in the AHL next year. or Just done in general.

There but you can't take the term asshat away from me

Jeez, at least someone here has the common sense to see Osgood for what he is

All of you who cannot seem to get the fact past you that 1998 was ALMOST 8 YEARS AGO. Get over it Osgood isnt going to do this club any good. Manny has what we who are educated past the 9th grade CONSISTENCY(sp?)!

Look at Osgoos and Mannys numbers from the last 3 or 4 years. Yeah, manny has played about 30% less games than Osgood, but his numbers blow Osgood and his size XXS jock strap right out of the water.

Osgood lovers base their argument on 1998

"The cult of Manny" can all say that their goaltender has been much more consistent, and deserves a chance in the playoffs. Hell, he cant do much worse than osgood's long list of early exits

And how many times do I have to say this: Didnt we kick this has-been to the curb for a reason

We do not base our arguement on the 98 season. We base it on the way he's played throughout his career. We base it on his great play for the Isles and Blues while he was away from the Wings. But you obviously weren't paying attention to Osgood's play then. So really, you have no room to talk and make up assumptions of what us Osgood fans think.

[BringDMacBack 0]

Stats don't lie Osgood was racking up Roy numbers while he was gone. Remember Osgood is a hall of famer. Well atleast in his mind and people that belive he won that cup in 98 by himself.

Season Team GP MIN W L T GA SO Avg

2000-2001 Red Wings 52 2,834 25 19 4 127 1 2.69

2001-2002 Islanders 66 3,742 32 25 6 156 4 2.50

2002-2003 Islanders 37 1,992 17 14 4 97 2 2.92

2002-2003 Blues 9 531 4 3 2 27 2 3.05

2003-2004 Blues 67 3 ,861 31 25 8 144 3 2.24

2005-2006 Red Wings 8 443 4 2 0 24 0 3.25

Seems like the same old Osgood no matter where he is.

2005-06 Grand-Rapids Griffins* AHL 3 0 0 0 180 10 0 0 3.34 2 1 0 75 0.882

Hell he might make a decent AHL goalie.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

There you go again. Putting words in everyones mouth. No one said Osgood won the cup by himself. No single player wins any TEAM sport by himself. It was a team effort. But yes, Osgood did play good enough to win it, and he did deserve that cup.

Secondly, once again, no one compared him to Roy. Just because some believe that when all is said and done that Ozzie will make it to the HOF doesn't mean he's automatically being compared to Roy, so I have no idea where your getting it from.

[OsGOD 3]

I would like to add that Vernon and Hasek didn't win the cup by themselves either (apart from what many still say as well)... To say so would degrade a very awesome effort by everyone involved in the Organization during those Playoff runs. Like Osgood, Vernon and Hasek were a key player but the cup could not of been raised without many other key players.

In '98 Ozzie was an important Cog in the Red Machine that won the cup, much like any other goalie who has ever raised the cup. But I don't think anyone beleive he won it 100% by himself, but he was a Very Important part of the cup team...

That is unless there is a goalie with 16 SO and 16 goals all in the same cup run then of course he won the cup all by his lonesome

Edited December 2, 2005 by OsGOD

[Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 55]

Stats don't lie Osgood was racking up Roy numbers while he was gone. Remember Osgood is a hall of famer. Well atleast in his mind and people that belive he won that cup in 98 by himself.

Season Team GP MIN W L T GA SO Avg

2000-2001 Red Wings 52 2,834 25 19 4 127 1 2.69

2001-2002 Islanders 66 3,742 32 25 6 156 4 2.50

2002-2003 Islanders 37 1,992 17 14 4 97 2 2.92

2002-2003 Blues 9 531 4 3 2 27 2 3.05

2003-2004 Blues 67 3 ,861 31 25 8 144 3 2.24

2005-2006 Red Wings 8 443 4 2 0 24 0 3.25

Seems like the same old Osgood no matter where he is.

2005-06 Grand-Rapids Griffins* AHL 3 0 0 0 180 10 0 0 3.34 2 1 0 75 0.882

Hell he might make a decent AHL goalie.

You are my hero....

[wingsfan27 1]

More speculation surrounding Legace for a defenseman trade. I just got word that it is a 3 way deal in the works between Detroit, Anaheim and Tampa. The key names involved are Legace and Salei... I am also hearing some European names being thrown around such as Fedotenko, Hudler, and Artyukhin.

If I were to speculate I would say it would look something like this...

To Tampa

Manny Legace

Jiri Hudler

To Detroit

Ruslan Salei

Evgeny Artyukhin

To Anaheim

Ruslan Fedotenko

lmao

wow thats gotta be one of the worst rumors ive ever heard in my life

we might as well give away our best goalie and a top prospect in hudler for a bag of hockey pucks then salei and the other guy

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Stats don't lie Osgood was racking up Roy numbers while he was gone. Remember Osgood is a hall of famer. Well atleast in his mind and people that belive he won that cup in 98 by himself.

Season Team GP MIN W L T GA SO

Seems like the same old Osgood no matter where he is.

2005-06 Grand-Rapids Griffins* AHL 3 0 0 0 180 10 0 0 3.34 2 1 0 75 0.882

Hell he might make a decent AHL goalie.

Find me a post where anyone has said anything remotely close to "Osgood won the 98 Cup by himself."

While you're at it, show me evidence that Osgood sees himself as a Hall of Famer.

You're making crap up just to bash Osgood.

Speaking only for myself, I only refute the claim that we could've won in 98 with anyone in net. You need strong goaltending to win the Cup.

Osgood is generally good, with flashes of greatness. Though this year to date he has been terrible.

Right now in net we've got a formerly good goalie who's playing poorly, a career backup who always wears down and stumbled in the playoffs, and a totally unproven rookie.

Our goaltending situation does not bode well for the Cup.

I have to disagree with NNick that in the playoffs, our goaltending situation will make or break this team, because we don't have the talent level to overcome less than stellar goaltending - which is what we have.

Hopefully something will change by then.

[e_mcgrath88 0]

More speculation surrounding Legace for a defenseman trade. I just got word that it is a 3 way deal in the works between Detroit, Anaheim and Tampa. The key names involved are Legace and Salei... I am also hearing some European names being thrown around such as Fedotenko, Hudler, and Artyukhin.

If I were to speculate I would say it would look something like this...

To Tampa

Manny Legace 

Jiri Hudler 

To Detroit

Ruslan Salei

Evgeny Artyukhin

To Anaheim

Ruslan Fedotenko

lmao

wow thats gotta be one of the worst rumors ive ever heard in my life

we might as well give away our best goalie and a top prospect in hudler for a bag of hockey pucks then salei and the other guy

Hmmm... For one, I said that we would likely get more (perhaps a draft pick). Two, Hudler is not our top prospect. Kronwall, Grigorenko, and Howard are all above him. Lets not forget Hudler is 5'8 160 lbs, lacks speed, and is generally lazy. He has 35 points in the AHL, but so what? Erik Westrum has 36 with weaker line mates. You must understand the AHL is not nearly as physically demanding as the big leagues. Hudler will not be nearly as effective as he is in the A. I wouldnt mind shipping this guy out. He has a lot of skill, but we have enough of those type players and its not getting us anywhere. I guarantee once people see Hudler, they will never stop bitching about him. Artyukhin has good size and is mean as a bull.. maybe redwings scouts see potential in this kid.. he does afterall stand 6'4, weighs 255lbs, and is only 22 years old. I havent seen him play, but their must be something the wings see in him. Legace our best goalie?? maybe, but he's not a great goalie, nor is he part of our future. Howard is here to stay and Osgood has no trade value. Therefore, Legace will likely be moved. I'm sorry if you cant stand to here that.

I rather a young and developing power forward, a solid defenseman, Howard in net, another draft pick, and less minutes for Lilja than having a career back up goalie inbetween the pipes, and 5'8 Hudler trying to crack a line up already full of skilled scorers.

But if you would prefer a bag of hockey pucks.....

[Rice 42]

Have you heard anything new concerning Howard and the rumored trade mcgrath?

[e_mcgrath88 0]

Have you heard anything new concerning Howard and the rumored trade mcgrath?

As far as I know, a possible deal is still in the works. I havent heard any further details. I guess it is moving slowly since Legace is currently on the IR. I hope something happens within the next week because this team needs a spark.

[Barnes52 0]

More speculation surrounding Legace for a defenseman trade. I just got word that it is a 3 way deal in the works between Detroit, Anaheim and Tampa. The key names involved are Legace and Salei... I am also hearing some European names being thrown around such as Fedotenko, Hudler, and Artyukhin.

If I were to speculate I would say it would look something like this...

To Tampa

Manny Legace 

Jiri Hudler  

To Detroit

Ruslan Salei

Evgeny Artyukhin

To Anaheim

Ruslan Fedotenko

lmao

wow thats gotta be one of the worst rumors ive ever heard in my life

we might as well give away our best goalie and a top prospect in hudler for a bag of hockey pucks then salei and the other guy

Hmmm... For one, I said that we would likely get more (perhaps a draft pick). Two, Hudler is not our top prospect. Kronwall, Grigorenko, and Howard are all above him. Lets not forget Hudler is 5'8 160 lbs, lacks speed, and is generally lazy. He has 35 points in the AHL, but so what? Erik Westrum has 36 with weaker line mates. You must understand the AHL is not nearly as physically demanding as the big leagues. Hudler will not be nearly as effective as he is in the A. I wouldnt mind shipping this guy out. He has a lot of skill, but we have enough of those type players and its not getting us anywhere. I guarantee once people see Hudler, they will never stop bitching about him. Artyukhin has good size and is mean as a bull.. maybe redwings scouts see potential in this kid.. he does afterall stand 6'4, weighs 255lbs, and is only 22 years old. I havent seen him play, but their must be something the wings see in him. Legace our best goalie?? maybe, but he's not a great goalie, nor is he part of our future. Howard is here to stay and Osgood has no trade value. Therefore, Legace will likely be moved. I'm sorry if you cant stand to here that.

I rather a young and developing power forward, a solid defenseman, Howard in net, another draft pick, and less minutes for Lilja than having a career back up goalie inbetween the pipes, and 5'8 Hudler trying to crack a line up already full of skilled scorers.

But if you would prefer a bag of hockey pucks.....

Well said about Hudler!

[e_mcgrath88 0]

Thanks Barnes. I hate to knock a guy who is yet to skate for the redwings this year, but I have seen him play a bunch of times and I think he is the last thing this team needs right now.

[Barnes52 0]

You speak the truth. This team needs a shakeup, and a trade will start to put people on notice. Their issues are deeper than just a lack of a D-Man, but this would be a start to get guys on their toes.

[fatcat6 0]

The trade rumor is bogus anyways and won't happen. Remember again, the Wings don't have money room at all. At most, $1 million. At most. Salei makes quite a deal of money, and I don't think that he's that great of a player anyways. I always thought of Salei as a slow player. As for Artyukhin, I don't think he's worth it for Legace. Plus, we don't need a winger right now. If any trade is made, we need a defenseman. Also, in my point of view, Hudler's looked good thus far. Trading him would be a mistake. And someone give me a real reason on why we would get rid of Legace.

[Rice 42]

The trade rumor is bogus anyways and won't happen. Remember again, the Wings don't have money room at all. At most, $1 million. At most.

No, not true at all. Especially now that Fischer is out for the season.

[fatcat6 0]

I see what you are saying. The only thing is though, I haven't heard anything on Fischer being out for the season. I heard at the most 6 weeks, and then the Wings would let us know.

Do you mean that since Fischer is out, we have more money to trade? I don't think that's what you mean. I you do, just because Fischer's out does not mean that we get more money, which you do know.

I really think you meant that because of Fischer's condition, and that it's very iffy, that it is a high possiblity that we might trade. If this is what you meant, let me know what you think about who will go where from the Wings for what defenseman? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[Rice 42]

I see what you are saying. The only thing is though, I haven't heard anything on Fischer being out for the season. I heard at the most 6 weeks, and then the Wings would let us know.

Do you mean that since Fischer is out, we have more money to trade? I don't think that's what you mean. I you do, just because Fischer's out does not mean that we get more money, which you do know.

I really think you meant that because of Fischer's condition, and that it's very iffy, that it is a high possiblity that we might trade. If this is what you meant, let me know what you think about who will go where from the Wings for what defenseman? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

He'll be out for the season.

Theres unconfirmed rumors that he had surgery on his heart and theres about a 15 percent chacne of him playing hockey ever again, let alone this season.

I think since the Wings will be able to use Fischer's 1.3 million towards someone else, Salei, White, and Witt are possibilities.