1/8 GDT: Detroit Red Wings Vs. Dallas Stars

[GuloGulo 0]

Ozzie did not lose this game for the team, however he couldnt win it for them when it became apparent that dallas were taking over. therefore he shouldve been lifted, to spare himself the dishonour and to possibly stir the team to better performance. I dunno why he was left out to allow 6 goals before taken off?

[shannyfan1414 0]

I just want to know why Ozzie started this game. Manny had two wins in a row. Why didn't he get the start untill he lost one. I think that this would be one of the better ways to deal with our goalie situation.

What do you guys think?

[Draper_Rocks#33 4]

what a bad game tonight. what a train wreck. MY GOD!! 3-0 lead means NOTHING

when ozzie is in net it means nothing

JK ppl

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

has anyone noticed that when ozzie takes a shot it look like hes gonna fall over...is that a style

lol. i think he invendted and developed it all on his own.

[NAVYWING 2]

I hope you have no decision making skills in your life, because you sir are a grade A idiot.

HAHAHAHHA. I work with Nuclear Weapons. I have tons of decisions to make every day.... for 16 years I've made the "right" decisions. The Cold war is over now isn't it??? Ozzie needs the BOOT!!!

[Guest Yzerman_is_hockeytown]

Why is it idiotic. I think it's more idiotic that you would defend Osgood after his performance THIS WHOLE YEAR. I'm thinking about next year already. Howard needs the experience and Osgood needs the boot.... idiot.

Typical fair wether fan, love em when they win, hate em when they lose. If your thinking about next year allready before the playoffs even start. Blow on your thumb real hard right now, maybe youll pass out and wake up when next year starts.

[Johnny Diamonds 25]

I just want to know why Ozzie started this game. Manny had two wins in a row. Why didn't he get the start untill he lost one. I think that this would be one of the better ways to deal with our goalie situation.

What do you guys think?

Guess babcock is tryin to ease Legace back in after coming back from that injury.

[Rice 42]

Then don't watch. Without his 12 wins we'd be good and f**Ked.

peace

Without his *teams 12 wins we'd be good and f***ed.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Brining howard up for a playoff push is the most idioic thing I have ever heard of. Bring up a rookie who frankly hasnt shown anything for an important playoff push. I hope you have no decision making skills in your life, because you sir are a grade A idiot.

Why is it idiotic. I think it's more idiotic that you would defend Osgood after his performance THIS WHOLE YEAR. I'm thinking about next year already. Howard needs the experience and Osgood needs the boot.... idiot.

It is idiotic.

I don't care if Ozzy scored all six goals for dallas by flipping the puck into his own net, bringing up Howard to back up Legace would be a HUGE mistake.

The kid has the potential to be a franchise goaltender for Detroit. He's just come out of the college game, which is a world away from even the minor leagues. He needs to be seeing pucks at the AHL level, not watching NHL games from the bench.

[J-Swift 0]

I just want to know why Ozzie started this game. Manny had two wins in a row. Why didn't he get the start untill he lost one. I think that this would be one of the better ways to deal with our goalie situation.

What do you guys think?

I can't blame Babs for starting Ozzie. He's always been good against the Stars. And playing a goalie fresh off the IR in three games in four nights is a good way to re-injure him. Especially when Manny didn't have the starting position locked down at all, really; though that may have changed today.

[Sgt. Angry 23]

I'm glad I don't attend games like this, because then I'd be torn between whether to escape from all the bulls**t early, or wait until the end just so I could give this bunch of assclowns the booooing that they so well deserve.

And to those of you at the Joe, why don't I hear more booing when these millionaires stink up the place? This is not what they are paind millions of dollars to do, and you know damned well that you'd be canned quickly if you sucked that badly.

I firmly believe that professional athletes should be fined by the team owners when they perform this bad, or even worse, quit completely after playing well.

Babcock is a joke. He was supposed to be so damned tough, but he won't even give the refs s**t when they so richly deserve it. I don't think the players fear him any more than they did Lewis, who wrote the book on how to coach like a wuss.

I laugh at those of you who think the Wings are going to be pissed by this and play harder next game. I'm sure Shanny (did he even play tonight?) is going to be pissed!! He probably reacted to this game by saying, "Oh shucks, it didn't go our way tonight - pity. I think I'll go home and play with the twins, and then go on the internet to make sure my bank balance has this weeks $100,000 deposit.

Can the NHL fine broadcast announcers for criticizing? Seems like Mickey is holding back for some reason. If I were Mike Illich, I gladly pay any fine for anyone in the organization who tells it like it is. Just once I'd like to hear Budd Lynch say, "Detroit penalty on number 96, Thomas Holmstrom, for, can you believe this, roughing."

[Draper_Rocks#33 4]

lol. i think he invendted and developed it all on his own.

[Schneids_is_awesome 0]

If you're sick of Ozzie playing then don't watch him when he's in net.

Ouch. I know some of us are loyal Ozzie fans and for the most part he can do no wrong, but you have to admit it was a horrible game for not just the wings, but for him too. I am sick of watching Ozzie look lost in net, but I enjoy watching the wings. Harsh comment. But then again, after a loss like this I have a feeling that a lot of us are on edge. Oh well, go Hawks (beat some Preds ass --which is highly unlikely).

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Then don't watch. Without his 12 wins we'd be good and f**Ked.

peace

Like I said some people hate osgood for the sake of hateing him.

Yep. Sad, but true. And so NO MATTER how he plays they'll discredit him of anything. If he wins and plays really well it's "Solid game by the WINGS!" if he loses, and the wings lose big it's "Osgood sucks! He needs to get traded" and then the very next game where he plays again and plays good it's a whole different situation.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Then don't watch.  Without his 12 wins we'd be good and f**Ked.

peace

Without his *teams 12 wins we'd be good and f***ed.

You forgot the Cardinal rules of Detroit goaltenders, NNick!

1) Manny's wins are because of his great play. Ozzie's wins are because of the team.

2) Manny's losses are because of poor team play. Ozzie's losses are because of his poor play alone.

[Jedi 1,865]

Why is it idiotic. I think it's more idiotic that you would defend Osgood after his performance THIS WHOLE YEAR. I'm thinking about next year already. Howard needs the experience and Osgood needs the boot.... idiot.

Bringing Howard up to be a backup is what's idiotic. He needs to play night in and night out for quite some time, so he can get used to the NHL type schedule.

He WON'T get that if he's sitting on the bench while Manny's playing. He will in GR.

[Schneids_is_awesome 0]

"Detroit penalty on number 96, Thomas Holmstrom, for, can you believe this, roughing."

LMAO, that is hilarious. I'd start a charity or something to raise money for paying Budd Lynch to say it like it is.

[Draper_Rocks#33 4]

Babcock is a joke. He was supposed to be so damned tough, but he won't even give the refs s**t when they so richly deserve it. I don't think the players fear him any more than they did Lewis, who wrote the book on how to coach like a wuss.

even if he does make a fuss refs dont change their minds....and y risk takeing another penalty

[Guest ontariowingsfan]

If you're sick of Ozzie playing then don't watch him when he's in net. Simple as that. Don't make stupid outrageous comments that aren't true after one freaking game.

What's with you and NN saying "don't watch when osgood's in net". Like that's even an option. If you're a wings fan.. your'e a wings fan.. and you watch the games regardless... doesn't make us have to worship the ground Osgood walks on. I dislike Osgood... and I hate it when he's in net... but not watching a wings game because of that is outrageous. Some people dislike other players (lilja for example.) So are you going to tell them.. "when lilja's on the ice..change the channel"....

[Rice 42]

Whatever. I'm not gonna argue. No one can change anyones mind. All I'm gonna say is Osgood is an average goalie and Manny has outplayed him this year.

[norrisnick 1]

The post you were responding to was making an attempt to discredit the goaltending of Chris Osgood in the '98 Cup run, and I assumed you were coming to his defence (as you should have).

And the play of Ozzie last season does not justify the lacklustre goaltending he's exhibited so far this year.

That's why I pruned it down to that one simple sentence. It's really pointless to debate in the Osgood was pivotal/we won in spite of him arguments.

He hasn't been that bad if you look at the big picture. An injury robbed him of training camp and the exhibition season. He's had to get into game shape playing games that matter and it takes a while to get up to speed if you haven't played in close to two years. He went 8-1-1 with a GAA of 2.4-ish and a save percentage near .910 in December (this includes that monstrosity of a game we had against Atlanta when he was tossed into 5 minutes of PK half 5on3 cold)

Then you factor in the rest of the team. We were on fire top to bottom that first month and then the cracks showed up. It's easy to pin it on Osgood but our problems lie deeper than goaltending. The Wings have had a hard time playing 60 full minutes and our team defense isn't close to what it's been in the past.

Most people don't bother to look at everything. They just see a bad goal or bad stats and it's like throwing chum in the warm waters around Australia.

peace

[Barnes52 0]

These are the goalies that we're going to war with folks....I'd rather focus on why Dallas was allowed to stand in front of the goal to deflect shots and why guys like Woolley stood around with his finger up his nose. Or how about Lebda trying to play goal, this defense needs to get better

[FunkyBlueFish203 0]

Goalie bashing, yay

I love the pro-Osgood arguments. "Yeah, he had a bad game but watch him next time, he'll play awesome. He feels bad, too. I'm sure he's pissed off, too. Radda da da da."

Yeah okay, whatever you guys say. Heard that one a few times this season already.

I almost always give the goalie the benefit of the doubt. A lot of things have to go wrong before the puck finds the back of the net but one of those things is also the goalie failing to make the save, sometimes on shots he should have. Osgood should've had some of those tonight.

I'm not into the whole anti-Osgood/pro-Legace thing but Osgood has failed to sieze the # 1 spot when it has been offered to him. And part of it is due to his inconsistent play. Osgood gets just as many free passes here as Legace does, and the Ozzie lovers are just as biased as the Manny lovers are.

Babcock, stop the tandem crap and stick with one goalie. It's all about the W and the coaching staff needs to be firm about their choice and stick with it.

[savaking72 0]

Not one to place blame, but tonight's loss is mostly on Lebda's shoulder's. That first goal that the Star's score is what started it all. Lebda was laying in the net behind Ozzgood fore about 6or 7 seconds before the wrap around occurred. He had more than enough time to get out of the net when the puck went behind the net. Ozzgood watched from the right, and saw the star coming around, and then stumbled over Lebda. If I was Babcock I would have benched Lebda for the rest of the period. Because Lebda turtled in the goal the Star's got the momentum they needed. The rest is on Babcock, and Ozzgood. Ozzgood should have made saves, and Babcock should have pulled Ozzy after the 4th goal.

[CenterIce 83]

wings have bennefitted more than most from these questionable calls. wings can hardly score five on five, but we have the best pp in hockey. without these questionable calls and our powerplay goals we wouldn't fare as well against anybody.

My last comment will be that whoever benefits from these calls, they should not be in the game. I would rather not have the Wings given a power play, if it comes on false penalties. The NHL wanted to increase fan attendance, they thought the quickest way to do this was to increase scoring, and the quickest way to did this was to call more penalties.