I Hope We Trade Kronwall

[ProfessorLidstrom5 0]

I am really not a big fan of Kronwall. He is not good defensively and I have yet to see his offensive side everyone has been so high on and I can't stand when people call him little Nick. He is no where near Lidstrom's skill level.

What does everyone else think of Kronwall? Trade or No Trade?

[Icteria virens 11]

He is the future, now shut this topic down. He is going NOWHERE.

the future of what? low offensive production and missed defensive oportunities? this guy is seriously overrated

[Heaton 1]

the future of what? low offensive production and missed defensive oportunities? this guy is seriously overrated

Great scouting report.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I'd trade Kronwall for Barret Jackman

Funny you should mention that. I was just thinking yesterday watching the game about a Kronwall/Jackman swap. Obviously it would be Kronwall +, but it has no chance of happening.....

I believe it was Heaton who mentioned Kronwall as being really the only young defenseman in the system with alot of potential. I completely agree, i just dont see much there at all. So i think it would be completely absurd to trade Kronwall for a forward.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Don't go that far with Kronwall. I don't buy the continoues compliments that seemingly everyone gives him. While he does display some good play in spurts, there are times when he looks really bad. I must be the only one to notice, but don't you all see the amount of givaways he makes trying to make the first pass out of the zone? Usually they aren't too bad, but sometimes they look awful. Kronwall is an ok defenseman, but he's no Chris Pronger.

[BlakChamber 8]

Kronwall is an ok defenseman, but he's no Chris Pronger.

I really don't think anyone is saying that he is.

[Airborn 0]

I think a lot of people on this thread have become seriously spoiled watching Lids, Chelios, Vladdy, and others over the years.

You have to give a guy some time to develop. Did you seriously believe he was going to dominate in his 1st full year in action? Kronwall is definitely not overrated, he's just young and learning the ropes.

[Mors 201]

I don't think Kronwall is bad overall, it's just that in the past few weeks he's been standing out for mistakes, particularly cross-ice passes directly in front of Hasek while the zone isn't clear.

[ProfessorLidstrom5 0]

So where are the people on here that said he was going to be the next Lidstrom and called him Nick Jr.?? Are they changing their minds because of a bad couple of weeks or are they just being mum? Inquiring minds wish to know

[HenrikRules40 14]

So where are the people on here that said he was going to be the next Lidstrom and called him Nick Jr.?? Are they changing their minds because of a bad couple of weeks or are they just being mum? Inquiring minds wish to know

I used to call him Nick Jr. (until some GENIUS invented Kronnic) but not because I thought he was the second coming of Nick Lidstrom. I just called him Nick Jr. b/c he was the younger Nick. See, my reasoning wasn't nearly as prolific.

[ProfessorLidstrom5 0]

I used to call him Nick Jr. (until some GENIUS invented Kronnic) but not because I thought he was the second coming of Nick Lidstrom. I just called him Nick Jr. b/c he was the younger Nick. See, my reasoning wasn't nearly as prolific.

Well, I can honestly say that I have never eluded to the possibility of Kronwall being the next Lidstrom. Not because I think he could, but because he is a totally different kind of d-man. He plays a more physical game which we need on defence.

[Kp-Wings 3]

So where are the people on here that said he was going to be the next Lidstrom and called him Nick Jr.?? Are they changing their minds because of a bad couple of weeks or are they just being mum? Inquiring minds wish to know

I do believe they are still here, just not saying it in exact terms.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Worth 3 mil next year , Nope , but He's a great defenceman , once he learns how to score he'll be a fine top 4 defenceman

[Rice 42]

I believe it was Heaton who mentioned Kronwall as being really the only young defenseman in the system with alot of potential.

Kindl?

[MacK_Attack 108]

So where are the people on here that said he was going to be the next Lidstrom and called him Nick Jr.??

Impossible! Apparently, the Leafs have the rights to "the next Lidstrom" in one Anton Stralman. I haven't seen much of him (save for one game in the World Juniors last year), but all I know is that he has had a breakout year with Timra in Sweden this year and the Swedish media are comparing him to Lidstrom when Nick was his age (20). From the reports I have read, he is basically Timra's #1 defenceman. Please keep in mind that this is the Swedish media labelling him, not the Toronto media, who have basically never seen the kid play.

I'm not expecting a Norris Trophy defenceman, but hey, looks like the kid will be a steal for a 7th rounder in '05.

Edited February 10, 2007 by MacK_Attack

[Kp-Wings 3]

Impossible! Apparently, the Leafs have the rights to "the next Lidstrom" in one Anton Str�lman. I haven't seen much of him (save for one game in the World Juniors last year), but all I know is that he has had a breakout year with Timra in Sweden this year and the Swedish media are comparing him to Lidstrom when Nick was his age (20). From the reports I have read, he is basically Timra's #1 defenceman. Please keep in mind that this is the Swedish media labelling him, not the Toronto media, who have basically never seen the kid play.

I'm not expecting a Norris Trophy defenceman, but hey, looks like the kid will be a steal for a 7th rounder in '05.

Perhaps he could be like Kenny Jonsson, except not taken in the first round. I'm still perplexed why the Leafs gave him up so quickly considering it was his first season with them when they traded him.

[MacK_Attack 108]

Perhaps he could be like Kenny Jonsson, except not taken in the first round. I'm still perplexed why the Leafs gave him up so quickly considering it was his first season with them when they traded him.

It was his second season with the Leafs (he joined the NHL in the lockout-shortened '95 season) and Cliff Fletcher was desparate to keep his job, so he traded prospects (inlcuding a pick that turned into Roberto Luongo) for Wendel Clark and Mathieu Schneider.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I hope we trade this idea for a better idea.

[Kp-Wings 3]

I hope we trade this idea for a better idea.

How about a deal involving a trade Lilja idea?

[eva unit zero 271]

Kronwall v Lebda, potential-wise:

Kronwall is already better than Lebda is expected to ever be.

Kronwall vs $15m/5yrs:

The majority of this board has wanted to dump Schneider and give all his time to Kronwall as an 'upgrade'. Schneider is paid fairly (perhaps even underpaid) compared to his contemporaries at 3.3m. If Kronwall>Schneider, the nwouldn't 3m per season be a downright steal? For that matter, Brisebois, Kuba, Mara, White, and Boynton all make about 3m. None of those guys is playing significantly differently from Kronwall. There are guys like Jovanovski and Blake who make more than double what Kronner will make and are not significantly better--and Kronwall has the most room for improvement, as most of those other guys are vets who have been around a while and don't expect to get much better than they are now.

[esteef 2,679]

Kronwall v Lebda, potential-wise:

Kronwall is already better than Lebda is expected to ever be.

These kind of comments make me laugh. Not about the comparison, but about the assumption that Lebda is already destined to only be so good. Like he's too dumb to figure stuff out, or lift weights, or learn from experience or anything. And size? There are smaller, successful NHL defensemen than him.

Who determines potential?

esteef

[eva unit zero 271]

These kind of comments make me laugh. Not about the comparison, but about the assumption that Lebda is already destined to only be so good. Like he's too dumb to figure stuff out, or lift weights, or learn from experience or anything. And size? There are smaller, successful NHL defensemen than him.

Who determines potential?

esteef

I said expected. I didn't say Lebda was not capable of reaching that level--just that his scouting reports and so-called 'expert' analysis project him to be a career third pairing guy, a level that Kronwall has already exceeded.

[esteef 2,679]

I said expected. I didn't say Lebda was not capable of reaching that level--just that his scouting reports and so-called 'expert' analysis project him to be a career third pairing guy, a level that Kronwall has already exceeded.

I hear ya man, I just laugh at the relativity of those reports and analyses. I mean, aren't most guys scouted when they're young and underdeveloped?

*edited for clarity.

Edited February 10, 2007 by esteef

[Andy Pred 48 337]

I don't think we could compare any player to Nick let alone a guy who still hasn't played 100 NHL games yet. When we picked Lidstrom in '89 with the 53rd overall pick I doubt anyone on here would have thought he would turn out the way he has. His rookie season was a blast as we got a guy with 60pts and a +36 rating. So I can see where guys are coming from when they expect a 1st round pick like Kronvall to have a impact in much the same way if not better. But we just got to face it with Lidstrom we got lucky. Also Lids has been lucky in that he hasn't had the injuries that Kronvall has and this hampered him into getting settled into the team period. But saying that his offensive output, esp in the goal department needs to pick up. For those who want to compare;

Kronvall has Played 93 games for 3+17=20 74pim +17 over 3 years.

Lidstrom over his first 3 years played 248 games, but his ave for the same games as Nik 93 games for 11+48=59 76pim +32. So as you see the only similar stat is the penalty minutes taken. In fact the undrafted Lebda has been more productive than Kronvall with less ice time.

[CloudConnected 0]

Really, as far as the Lebda potential question goes...I think he's Mathieu Dandenault. He's fast enough to cover up for mistakes, be it a bad pass or a bad pinch. He's a NHLer for sure, but to say he has more upside than Kronwall is ridiculous.

Kronner is just figuring out the NHL, that's all. He has a lot of ability, and he probably still tries to get away with some of the things he did in the AHL and Sweden. He dominated both of those leagues defensively, probably so much so that success in risky plays came natural to him, just because he was so much better than his competition. Now in the NHL, he's adjusting and figuring out what kind of plays he can make and what ones he can't.

Kronwall is much more talented than Lebda. He hits, he makes a more crisp first pass, has a harder shot... but Lebda had to make the safe plays to even get consideration for the pros. If Lebda were a gambler, he'd be playing in a beer league somewhere right now. Kronwall just has to get used to making the safe play first, then build on it. Once he does that, he'll be our #1 after Lids retires.