datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 We'll have to disagree on that one, I guess. After Umberger got that goal, it really looked like it deflated the team. The Flyers were suddenly flying out there and the rout was on. Hasek makes his money making the big stops when it counts; not that it need be said, but Joey is nooo Hasek. And since he is coming back soon, we can rely on him, and carry on as we normally do and win games. fair enough Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) That thrid was brutal 4 goals on 4 shots , 2 shorties agaisnt , I hope ehs back in the ahl soon , Im sure hes a nice guy , but my god , he was awful Edited February 13, 2007 by Detroit # 1 Fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 Joey looks like the second coming of Tim Cheveldae. Except that Chevy was a Vezina contender and All-Star, something Joey Mac will likely never approach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiei 192 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 You know what, you panic buttoneers can SHOVE IT. Every Goaltender has a bad game or sometimes a bad stretch, you hammer this rookie like he's a veteran. If I recall, it wasn't that long ago that Hasek gave up 8 goals in a game. Also, does anyone else remember the 1999-2001 Slide of one Chris Osgood? Or how you Panic Buttoneers were hammering Manny Legace so hard when the WHOLE DAMNED TEAM didn't play with much inspiration??? Get over it. It's only 1 Game out of an 82 game season. I am not concerned in the least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 You know what, you panic buttoneers can SHOVE IT. Every Goaltender has a bad game or sometimes a bad stretch, you hammer this rookie like he's a veteran. If I recall, it wasn't that long ago that Hasek gave up 8 goals in a game. Also, does anyone else remember the 1999-2001 Slide of one Chris Osgood? Or how you Panic Buttoneers were hammering Manny Legace so hard when the WHOLE DAMNED TEAM didn't play with much inspiration??? Get over it. It's only 1 Game out of an 82 game season. I am not concerned in the least. maybe you should be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 maybe you should be Again we agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 Again we agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiei 192 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 I'm still not concerned. The thing i'm more concerned about is how much inspiration this team's got behind it. Why we don't stick up for our own guys, hit more, go through instead of finesse around like Bettman wants it to be (he's ruining the game as we know it). Our defense can't always rely on standing defense, WE NEED TO BLOCK MORE SHOTS, Throw your grille down in the way of that rubber! Edmonton beat us with that!!!! THE SAME EDMONTON THAT NO ONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 I'm still not concerned. The thing i'm more concerned about is how much inspiration this team's got behind it. Why we don't stick up for our own guys, hit more, go through instead of finesse around like Bettman wants it to be (he's ruining the game as we know it). Our defense can't always rely on standing defense, WE NEED TO BLOCK MORE SHOTS, Throw your grille down in the way of that rubber! Edmonton beat us with that!!!! THE SAME EDMONTON THAT NO ONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. sounds like you're concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 I personally don't like MacDonald. He has proven nothing , he looks steller for a few plays, then falls apart and lets in the most ridiculous goals IMO. Never a starting quality goaltender, yes he might be un-experienced but I still don't beleive he has the mentality to be a top notch goalie in the NHL. I would like to see him prove me wrong though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 I disagree. Mac is a very hard worker, and well respected by other Wings. He was fantasitic in GR. You will have some growing pains when you enter the NHL. Plus besides the Umberger goal how many did Mac have an honest chance on? None Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 I disagree. Mac is a very hard worker, and well respected by other Wings. He was fantasitic in GR. You will have some growing pains when you enter the NHL. Plus besides the Umberger goal how many did Mac have an honest chance on? None Looks can be deceiving. He might have had an "honest chance" at ALL of them if he had: a.) Better rebound control and b.) Better positioning. He's absolutely horrid in both aspects of the game. The reason some here credit him with making the odd "spectacular save" is because he's forced to do so, throwing whatever body part he can in front of the puck because he put the rebound in the worst possible spot at the worst possible time, or because he was so far out of position that he had to throw himself into the next area code in order to get back to the spot he SHOULD have been occupying in the first place. When a goaltender makes a spectacular/desperation save, 9 times out of 10 it's because he's overcompensating for an error he's made. It looks exciting, but it's usually nothing more than poor fundamentals/mechanics. Joey MacDonald is his own worst enemy. He makes his OWN job harder than it has to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 Why is everyone bashing Mac like he's our starting goaltender? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) Why is everyone bashing Mac like he's our starting goaltender? I don't think folks are necessarily "bashing", harold. I think they're more or less shocked. Fact of the matter is, you'd have to go back to the days when the Wings were botton feeders in order to find a Detroit goalie who's put up numbers comparable to those that MacD is currently posting. And this Wings Team could hardly be considered bottom feeders, by any stretch of the imagination. For a very long time, the Detroit Red Wings have prided themselves on the fact that they ice a Team strong enough for ANY goaltender to post decent numbers/have success during the regular season. It's a commonly held belief, (by those who don't know any better), that Osgood is nothing more than a barely mediocre goaltender who only won games at all because of the Wings Team in front of him. All things considered, MacDonald's performance, (especially in the 3rd Period), is shockingly bad when compared to EVERY Wings goaltender of the past 15 or so years. He's gonna catch some heat over that. Edited February 13, 2007 by Outsider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 I don't think folks are necessarily "bashing", harold. I think they're more or less shocked. Fact of the matter is, you'd have to go back to the days when the Wings were botton feeders in order to find a Detroit goalie who's put up numbers comparable to those that MacD is currently posting. And this Wings Team could hardly be considered bottom feeders, by any stretch of the imagination. For a very long time, the Detroit Red Wings have prided themselves on the fact that they ice a Team strong enough for ANY goaltender to post decent numbers/have success during the regular season. It's a commonly held belief, (by those who don't know any better), that Osgood is nothing more than a barely mediocre goaltender who only won games at all because of the Wings Team in front of him. All things considered, MacDonald's performance, (especially in the 3rd Period), is shockingly bad when compared to EVERY Wings goaltender of the past 15 or so years. He's gonna catch some heat over that. I guess my point is that Macdonald has played 8 games in the NHL, and I don't think anyone considers him the future goaltender for the Red Wings. Maybe not even as a backup. But Dom is out and Ozzy is out, so there it is. Joey gets the nod. I understand being disappointed of upset with his play, but it still seems a little out of proportion for a guy who's spent his career in the AHL. No one is banking on him to be "the guy" but people here seem to be reacting like he's supposed to be. As for tonights game, I'd be more concerned about the guys in front of Joey. Those are gonna be the ones on the ice come playoff time, not Macdonald. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 13, 2007 Do not act as if Joey is somehow shortchanging any of you. He is a great 3rd-string goalie. We pay him nothing. Be satisfied with what you get from somebody so far down the normal chain. In an injury-free situation, he would have seen no time this year at all. As is, reality forced him into several starts. He is not, and does not claim to be, a starter. He has performed competently for his level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 So ther goes our support for Joey MacDonald ? Come on people !! This is all part of the learning curve. Of course he got shelled and he will get shelled more in the future. That's what happens to goaltenders in the NHL from time to time. Even Dominik got a beating a few weeks ago. It happens. Joey MacDonald is a talent that needs support from his team and the Detroit community to build up some confidence. Let's give the kid a little credit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 I don't follow minor league hockey all that much, so I never really knew about MacDonald when he was with Grand Rapids but here goes... He's shown the ability to rip some spectacular highlight-reel saves out of his rear end. But he has serious rebound control issues and doesn't seem to quite have full focus, giving up some bad goals, but he's still trying to learn in the big leagues, not even playing 10 games. Nobody in here, to my knowledge, expected him to be the second coming of Patrick Roy and starting next season after just a small handful of games, so I don't know where that gibberish came from. However, if you have professional scouts and coaches and business personnel from an NHL team thinking this kid might make it to regular duty in the NHL someday, then give him a shot. They are certainly smarter and know him better than we do as fans. I think MacDonald has a lot of potential to maybe even be a good NHL goalie in a few seasons, and I'd be thrilled if he's able to make it to that status. But to the casual fan (me), he has a lot of work to do on his decision-making, focus throughout a whole game, and rebound control. If this post gives the perception that he's numero uno and the savior going into next season, I certainly don't see it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aflac9262 211 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) I'm willing to cut MacDonald some slack. He's only started a few games, only played now and then. He made some good saves, gave up some bad goals - but come on - he's only a rookie. I'm glad we aren't at the top of the conference/division, because this team needs more competition. Hopefully the division race stays close until the end of the season. Edited February 13, 2007 by aflac9262 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 How many times he got crushed??? Fedoruk, Richards, Eager... We played strong physical team and that's it... I'm not sure it's Joey fault - and I'm very happy that Hasek or Osgood wasn't playing last night... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 No matter the goalie, we still would have lost the game. One goal doesn't win you many games. If we'd lost like 6-5 it would make more sense to blame Joey but he most certainly didn't cost us the game. So maybe with Dom we only would have lost 4-1 or 3-1, big deal. The 3rd period was even more embarrassing than against the Flames. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inultus 12 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 The Flyers played harder than the Wings. Joey has a slow glove hand and bad rebound control but he's not a bad goalie overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brutus 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 Stat Overview SPLIT GP GS MIN W L OTL GA GAA SOG SV SV% ENG SO 2006-07 8 7 467:57 1 5 1 27 3.46 211 184 .872 1 0 Out of 16 losses this season his starts account for almost HALF of them....interestingly in his only win this season his sv% was only .800...his best game was a 1-0 loss to st. louis but that seems more like the exception rather than the norm...I understand growing pains but for gosh sakes he now has 7 starts and only 1 win...and at 27yo i wonder how much room for development there is...seems like a quasi-decent 3rd stringer but I would rather see some of our other young goalies getting a shot or two...and see how they fare under fire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coyote0106 2 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 seems like a quasi-decent 3rd stringer but I would rather see some of our other young goalies getting a shot or two...and see how they fare under fire Now, I want to say that I am not a Joey supporter. I didn't like him in GR, and I dont like him in the wings uniform. I have been commenting on his glove hand for years, and I was sad to see its still slower than that tidal wave of molasses. But, I don't agree with rather seeing Howard (or Liv, for that matter) in net. Howard has played a whole 2 games in GR, after being out for close to a month with a hurt ankle. Liv even got hurt while Howard was out, and we had UHL/ECHL guys as our 1, 2 punch. IMO, Howard is NOT ready for the NHL, and unless he grows alot in the next couple months, I think he should have one more year in GR. As for Liv, I dont even think the wings should re-sign him. He started out horribly, but then after going to ECHL for a little while, has played better here. Suffer few a couple bad games this year, and give Jimmy his shot when he is ready. Why break his confidence? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 Well im sure its safe to say, we all know how valueable Hasek is to this team Or as I like to see it... How valuable a bunch of goal scoring forwards are I will say it again.. no matter who is in net... If the team isn't Scoring the team isn't WInning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
