2007 Baseball Season

[Airborn 0]

Just finshed watching the game, and man this is the most excited I've been for a Tiger's victory since the 2nd half began.

JJ was excellent. He threw 17 of 21 first pitch strikes; now that's what I'm talking about! See (rest of Tigers pitching staff) what happens when you consistently get ahead of hitters.

Zumaya to Rodney to Jones was a thing of beauty.

Edited August 22, 2007 by Airborn

[Guest DetroitIan]

What a game. I couldnt be more pumped to have Zoom Zoom back. And that was great seeing JJ get the shaving cream pie in the face. All the people here whinning and moaning about how the Tigers "dont have it" anymore, can take a look at the fact that we're only a half a game back for the division. Try being a Tigers fan through 15 years of s***. And then try to tell me this 2007 squad "lost what they had." Thats a total crock of s***. The Tigers are one win away from leading the division. I think it's time to have a little more faith. Cause I sure the hell do.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

What a game. I couldnt be more pumped to have Zoom Zoom back. And that was great seeing JJ get the shaving cream pie in the face. All the people here whinning and moaning about how the Tigers "dont have it" anymore, can take a look at the fact that we're only a half a game back for the division. Try being a Tigers fan through 15 years of s***. And then try to tell me this 2007 squad "lost what they had." Thats a total crock of s***. The Tigers are one win away from leading the division. I think it's time to have a little more faith. Cause I sure the hell do.

And what...you're the only here who's been a Tiger fan their whole life?

[Guest DetroitIan]

And what...you're the only here who's been a Tiger fan their whole life?

Not at all. But anyone who is saying these things about this years Tigers team, has obviously not been a Tigers fan for very long. Either that, or they sure have a short memory. This is an excellent squad that will be gunning for the division. And if and when we do win the division, that will be something no Tigers team has done since like '87(remember, the Tigers didnt even win the division last year). So if people are gonna talk about this team "not having it", they must have gotten pretty damn spoiled over the past few seasons. Cause we are in a position that 25+ teams would LOVE to be in at this point in the season. So lets stop the whinning. Cause it's quite rediculous.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Oh and btw, I threw out the 15 years of s*** comment, because we we're still pretty solid in the late 80s. But ive been a fan for over 20 years. And I would have killed to have a team like the one we have now. So would any other life-long true Tigers fan.

Edited August 22, 2007 by DetroitIan

[GoWings1905 2,694]

What a game. I couldnt be more pumped to have Zoom Zoom back. And that was great seeing JJ get the shaving cream pie in the face. All the people here whinning and moaning about how the Tigers "dont have it" anymore, can take a look at the fact that we're only a half a game back for the division. Try being a Tigers fan through 15 years of s***. And then try to tell me this 2007 squad "lost what they had." Thats a total crock of s***. The Tigers are one win away from leading the division. I think it's time to have a little more faith. Cause I sure the hell do.

Wow, way to completely overblow one win. I think it's funny how you consider some of us here "lousy fans" when we were/are a bit concerned with a 9-20 streak, but you celebrate one win and that makes everything better.

If you are referring to my comments as the Tigers not having it anymore, then Jim Leyland must be wrong then too. Leyland himself has said this team needs to get it together quickly, or they are in big trouble. The one thing the Tigers "don't have" is good starting pitching right now. That was never a concern last season, so in that regard they "don't have it". Every team (besides Seattle) contending for the playoffs has better starting pitching than the Tigers right now. That's a fact. Needless to say it could change, but one start doesn't make it a cure-all.

I'm not the only one who thinks the Tigers are missing something either. If you watched the game last night, Rod and Mario addressed the lack of swagger and confidence at the top of the broadcast. So, my apologies for addressing this concern I had. I will make sure to OK it with you next time I want to say something negative (and true), since clearly you are the epitome of Tiger fans. No one else suffered for the past 20 years but you.

Edited August 22, 2007 by GoWings1905

[Kp-Wings 3]

Wow, way to completely overblow one win. I think it's funny how you consider some of us here "lousy fans" when we were/are a bit concerned with a 9-20 streak, but you celebrate one win and that makes everything better.

If you are referring to my comments as the Tigers not having it anymore, then Jim Leyland must be wrong then too. Leyland himself has said this team needs to get it together quickly, or they are in big trouble. The one thing the Tigers "don't have" is good starting pitching right now. That was never a concern last season, so in that regard they "don't have it". Every team (besides Seattle) contending for the playoffs has better starting pitching than the Tigers right now. That's a fact. Needless to say it could change, but one start doesn't make it a cure-all.

I'm not the only one who thinks the Tigers are missing something either. If you watched the game last night, Rod and Mario addressed the lack of swagger and confidence at the top of the broadcast. So, my apologies for addressing this concern I had. I will make sure to OK it with you next time I want to say something negative (and true), since clearly you are the epitome of Tiger fans. No one else suffered for the past 20 years but you.

QFT

To call us loser fans or something stupid like that is ridiculous. The Tigers have been underachieving lately, and it's pretty normal for us fans to be concerned.

There's a difference to being a fan and being a blind homer. One win means nothing. We're still out of the playoffs, we're still behind Cleveland for the division, and we're still behind Seattle and New York for the wildcard. I don't see anything in that scenario that is supposed to make me happy.

Yes, we are all aware of the Tigers struggles the past 20 years. You're not the only one who's been a Tigers fan their whole lives, dating back to the dark years of the 90's. We all have.

That doesn't mean we have to be satisfied by a long losing streak just because their overall record is better though. It's still underachieving, because this team has all the making for a World Series title. As it stands right now, we're not even in the playoffs. There is no reason for us to be losing to fringe playoff teams like New York, or worse yet Tampa Bay.

Hopefully they start turning things around, but if they don't, don't expect me, or anyone else for that matter, to sugarcoat it.

Edited August 22, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

1-0, no outs yet, oy.

[rwfan007 18]

We are a half game out of the central... and we play the team we are chasing... we are very much in the playoff hunt as neither the Indians or ourselves has taken advantage of the other's struggles. Look at last year, we struggled bigtime our last 50 games and got it together by playoff time. As soon as the final day of the season comes and we are not in the playoffs, I will doubt this team. But since we are in a tussle for the division and could easily be in 1st by night's end, this is still a good team and has as good of a shot as any to win it all. No team ever goes the entire season clicking on all cylinders and I am sure that we will take struggles at this point in the season and be clicking come playoff time.

oh yeah, we are getting more healthy by the day as miller is back in the rotation, zumaya is back, placido is healthy, the flu bug has worked its way out of the clubhouse... we are going to get better very soon, be patient and don't give up on our tigers just yet

[Guest DetroitIan]

Wow, way to completely overblow one win. I think it's funny how you consider some of us here "lousy fans" when we were/are a bit concerned with a 9-20 streak, but you celebrate one win and that makes everything better.

Never once did I say you were "lousy fans." So nice try on that one. I simply said, that either you are fairly new die-hard Tigers fans, or you sure have a short memory. Learn to read next time, then come talk to me.

If you are referring to my comments as the Tigers not having it anymore, then Jim Leyland must be wrong then too. Leyland himself has said this team needs to get it together quickly, or they are in big trouble.

So let me get this straight. You took those comments by Leyland and thought he was saying he didnt think the Tigers had it anymore"??? Of course they would be in trouble if they didnt get their stuff together. They have a division to win. You cant win the division by losing. But in no way does Leyland think we "dont have it" anymore. We have it, and we've proven we have it. Considering the fact that through a 9-20 streak we are STILL only a half-game back for the division LEAD. Does that tell you anything or am I missing something?

The one thing the Tigers "don't have" is good starting pitching right now.

I agree actually. Right now, the pitching has been a little suspect. But we just got a Zumaya back that looks as strong as ever. Kenny will be back before the playoffs. And look how good JJ has already looked. There is a BIG difference between a slump, and "not having it" anymore.

YEAAAAHHHHHH!!! 3 RUN SHOT BABY! GUILLEN IS THE MAN! Gott love it!

To call us loser fans or something stupid like that is ridiculous. The Tigers have been underachieving lately, and it's pretty normal for us fans to be concerned.

Never said that once. (Man, does anyone read the posts they reply to anymore??)

There's a difference to being a fan and being a blind homer. One win means nothing. We're still out of the playoffs, we're still behind Cleveland for the division, and we're still behind Seattle and New York for the wildcard. I don't see anything in that scenario that is supposed to make me happy.

A HALF-GAME BACK. Is there anything bout that you dont understand?? What do you mean one win means nothing?? That statement right there throws your credability right out the window. We lost the division by 1 game last year. Sure, we still got into the playoffs, but still. The point is, one game can mean everything this time of year. You say you know all about the Tigers struggles over the past 15+ years. But obviously you dont. You say nothing about that scenario makes you happy? How about the fact that we still right in the race?? How about the fact that, other than last season, we have never even been CLOSE to being in a scenario like this. How about the fact that 20 other MLB teams right now are playing for nothing. Cause they already know they're out of the playoffs. But guess what? If the Tigers win tonight(already being up 3-1 in the second) we are right back in the driver's seat, and right back in the division lead. Your rediculous statements give off the vibe that you are a fairly new Tigers fan. Otherwise, you have a really, really bad memory.

We are a half game out of the central... and we play the team we are chasing... we are very much in the playoff hunt as neither the Indians or ourselves has taken advantage of the other's struggles. Look at last year, we struggled bigtime our last 50 games and got it together by playoff time. As soon as the final day of the season comes and we are not in the playoffs, I will doubt this team. But since we are in a tussle for the division and could easily be in 1st by night's end, this is still a good team and has as good of a shot as any to win it all. No team ever goes the entire season clicking on all cylinders and I am sure that we will take struggles at this point in the season and be clicking come playoff time.

oh yeah, we are getting more healthy by the day as miller is back in the rotation, zumaya is back, placido is healthy, the flu bug has worked its way out of the clubhouse... we are going to get better very soon, be patient and don't give up on our tigers just yet

Finally, someone that knows what they're talking about.

Edited August 22, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Anyone see the Rangers-Orioles score? It's 30-3!

[rwfan007 18]

see... now it would suck to be a orioles fan

[Guest DetroitIan]

Anyone see the Rangers-Orioles score? It's 30-3!

Totally unreal. Im not sure if thats ever happend in the majors. And if it has, it's probably been 100 years or so. Cause wow, you RARELY see a team get into the 20s. But 30 runs??? Holy s*** thats insane. Completely insane.

[Happy Pancake 6]

OMFG tonight may have just killed every ounce of Oriole fan in me. Thirty to god damn three.

Wooooooooooooow. Way to go guys.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Totally unreal. Im not sure if thats ever happend in the majors. And if it has, it's probably been 100 years or so. Cause wow, you RARELY see a team get into the 20s. But 30 runs??? Holy s*** thats insane. Completely insane.

Hasn't happened since 1900, 107 years.

[Happy Pancake 6]

Ironically Texas beat Baltimore about 10 years ago 28-10. They got 18 runs in one inning which I think might be a record.

Leave us alone Texas.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

The only thing this stretch tells me is that the Indians have been equally bad. It's more about the Tigers turning it around soon since they are fortunate to still have a chance at the playoffs at all.

This is not a "slump" anymore like you classify it. A month and a half of terrible starting pitching is more than a slump. Even Verlander got rocked tonight. Zumaya, Rodney, and Jones are useless when the starters give up eight runs. Unless the starting pitching gets better, the Tigers will not make the playoffs. One start from Jair Jurrjens is not going to solve the problem, like you seem to think.

By the way, your theory that 20 teams are out of contention is just absurd. That means that there are only ten teams in all of baseball close to a playoff spot. Last time I checked, there were ten teams with a legitimate playoff chance in the National League alone. Nice effort on that one.

Edited August 23, 2007 by GoWings1905

[Kp-Wings 3]

nvm

Edited August 23, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[Guest DetroitIan]

This is not a "slump" anymore like you classify it. A month and a half of terrible starting pitching is more than a slump. Even Verlander got rocked tonight. Zumaya, Rodney, and Jones are useless when the starters give up eight runs. Unless the starting pitching gets better, the Tigers will not make the playoffs.

What?? Thats EXACTLY what a slump is. The season is 162 games for Christ sake. And your talking about just one month of sub-par play. Thats the definition of a slump. So bravo, you once again talk out of your ass. Big shock there.

One start from Jair Jurrjens is not going to solve the problem, like you seem to think.

Yeah cause thats exactly what I said. I wasnt just saying that he looked solid or anything. I said he will solve all pitching problems. Alot of times, guys that get brought up from AAA this late in the year, can be pretty shaky. And I was just stating he looked good out there. So nice try there sport.

By the way, your theory that 20 teams are out of contention is just absurd. That means that there are only ten teams in all of baseball close to a playoff spot. Last time I checked, there were ten teams with a legitimate playoff chance in the National League alone. Nice effort on that one.

HAHA! Is that all you got? Pretty poor effort there pal. I was exaggerating clearly. I was just making the point that a s*** load of teams arent even in it. Or are atleast farther away from a playoff spot than the Tigers. So good job bud. Your best shot just fell short. Ouch. Must suck to get schooled so bad.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

What?? Thats EXACTLY what a slump is. The season is 162 games for Christ sake. And your talking about just one month of sub-par play. Thats the definition of a slump. So bravo, you once again talk out of your ass. Big shock there.

Yeah cause thats exactly what I said. I wasnt just saying that he looked solid or anything. I said he will solve all pitching problems. Alot of times, guys that get brought up from AAA this late in the year, can be pretty shaky. And I was just stating he looked good out there. So nice try there sport.

HAHA! Is that all you got? Pretty poor effort there pal. I was exaggerating clearly. I was just making the point that a s*** load of teams arent even in it. Or are atleast farther away from a playoff spot than the Tigers. So good job bud. Your best shot just fell short. Ouch. Must suck to get schooled so bad.

Yeah I feel real "schooled" from a complete tool like you. You have to be the biggest joke of a Tigers fan I have ever witnessed. Your logic is so far off base it's laughable. By the way, where were those mighty Tigers you preached were back the last two games against the Indians?

First off, this is not a slump anymore. Lets say for arguments sake, the Tigers have played 40 games since the all star break, when the struggles began. 40 games is a quarter of a season. A slump is maybe a handful of games, or a couple of weeks at worst, not 25 percent of the whole year. Sadly, this "slump" is the real Tigers team, like it or not. You can classify it however you wish, but until they start winning consistently again, I'm assuming this is the Tigers team we are going to get, for better or worse. By your logic, if the Red Wings went into a 20-game freefall, it would be a slump then too.

Lastly, you need to follow baseball a little more closely it looks like. You say a "load" of teams aren't in playoff contention, when in reality it's the complete opposite. The National League Wild Card spots 1-6 is separated by a whopping four games or so. The biggest division lead is right around five games, so your "exaggeration" is actually probably just stupidity, like everything else you post.

Edited August 23, 2007 by GoWings1905

[Guest DetroitIan]

Yeah I feel real "schooled" from a complete tool like you. You have to be the biggest joke of a Tigers fan I have ever witnessed. Your logic is so far off base it's laughable. By the way, where were those mighty Tigers you preached were back the last two games against the Indians?

Way to wait until two Tigers losses to reply. Im a joke of a Tigers fan because I have faith in a team thats right behind Cleveland for the division lead. Which, last time I checked, gets you a playoff spot. Nice one bud. The Tigers are getting healthier each day. And have arguably the best hitting lineup in the big leagues. So Im gonna go ahead on not give up on em a month before the season ends. Oh thats right, that logic is so off base, and Im a tool. Your ******* clueless buddy.

Lastly, you need to follow baseball a little more closely it looks like. You say a "load" of teams aren't in playoff contention, when in reality it's the complete opposite. The National League Wild Card spots 1-6 is separated by a whopping four games or so. The biggest division lead is right around five games, so your "exaggeration" is actually probably just stupidity, like everything else you post.

Wow, once again, you prove you are atleast semi-illierate. I said a "load" of teams, arent as close to a playoff spot, than the Tigers are right now. And thats even after just losing two straight. We're still only 2.5 games back on the Indians. Most teams in both leagues, would love to only be a couple games back. Check the standings dumbs***. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, dude you're the biggest joke I've seen on these boards. You clearly know dick about baseball, and you're CLEARLY a bandwagon Tigers fan. You sound just like someone who has been a fan since '06. Yeah you're real hardcore pal.

Anytime you wanna come get schooled once again. Lemme know.

Edited August 23, 2007 by DetroitIan

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Way to wait until two Tigers losses to reply. Im a joke of a Tigers fan because I have faith in a team thats right behind Cleveland for the division lead. Which, last time I checked, gets you a playoff spot. Nice one bud. The Tigers are getting healthier each day. And have arguably the best hitting lineup in the big leagues. So Im gonna go ahead on not give up on em a month before the season ends. Oh thats right, that logic is so off base, and Im a tool. Your ******* clueless buddy.

Wow, once again, you prove you are atleast semi-illierate. I said a "load" of teams, arent as close to a playoff spot, than the Tigers are right now. And thats even after just losing two straight. We're still only 2.5 games back on the Indians. Most teams in both leagues, would love to only be a couple games back. Check the standings dumbs***. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, dude you're the biggest joke I've seen on these boards. You clearly know dick about baseball, and you're CLEARLY a bandwagon Tigers fan. You sound just like someone who has been a fan since '06. Yeah you're real hardcore pal.

Anytime you wanna come get schooled once again. Lemme know.

Yeah, I'm clearly a Tigers bandwagon fan moron. Since no one can be a fan if they are concerned with their team's awful play for a month and a half, then yes you are the ultimate fan.

Once again, your point of the Tigers having the best offense doesn't mean anything if the starting pitching doesn't improve. You can't rely on an offense to win championships in baseball. Oh wait, I don't know anything about baseball, so disregard that. The only reason the Tigers are remotely close to the division lead is because the Indians have been equally bad. The Tigers are lucky this "slump" hasn't cost them more. Yet, they continue to miss opportunities by losing to crappy teams, like the Devil Rays and White Sox. It's fortunate the Tigers have a chance at all to win the division. My point is they need to take advantage of the Indians poor play soon, before it is too late.

Wherever you got the idea that I have given up or lost faith is a joke. You seem to do quite well at making stuff up though. I think it is a legitimate concern to question your team when they continue to play awful baseball. I love it how you are the ultimate authority on what Tigers fans can say about the team. By the way, genius, your point that MOST teams would love to be 2.5 games back just proves my point. Almost every division race is that close, so what the hell are you trying to prove? Most teams would also love to go 12 games under .500 for a month and a half, and still have a chance at the division. If the Red Sox went 10-22, do you think the Yankees would only be 2.5 games up?

I'll be waiting for another "schooling" from you. Judging by your comments, it's the only schooling you have done lately.

Edited August 24, 2007 by GoWings1905

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Way to wait until two Tigers losses to reply. Im a joke of a Tigers fan because I have faith in a team thats right behind Cleveland for the division lead. Which, last time I checked, gets you a playoff spot. Nice one bud. The Tigers are getting healthier each day. And have arguably the best hitting lineup in the big leagues. So Im gonna go ahead on not give up on em a month before the season ends. Oh thats right, that logic is so off base, and Im a tool. Your ******* clueless buddy.

Wow, once again, you prove you are atleast semi-illierate. I said a "load" of teams, arent as close to a playoff spot, than the Tigers are right now. And thats even after just losing two straight. We're still only 2.5 games back on the Indians. Most teams in both leagues, would love to only be a couple games back. Check the standings dumbs***. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, dude you're the biggest joke I've seen on these boards. You clearly know dick about baseball, and you're CLEARLY a bandwagon Tigers fan. You sound just like someone who has been a fan since '06. Yeah you're real hardcore pal.

Anytime you wanna come get schooled once again. Lemme know.

You're not "schooling" anyone. Infact, you're just making yourself look like an *******. Speaking in a condescending tone doesn't impress anyone.

[BlakChamber 8]

Way to wait until two Tigers losses to reply. Im a joke of a Tigers fan because I have faith in a team thats right behind Cleveland for the division lead. Which, last time I checked, gets you a playoff spot. Nice one bud. The Tigers are getting healthier each day. And have arguably the best hitting lineup in the big leagues. So Im gonna go ahead on not give up on em a month before the season ends. Oh thats right, that logic is so off base, and Im a tool. Your ******* clueless buddy.

Wow, once again, you prove you are atleast semi-illierate. I said a "load" of teams, arent as close to a playoff spot, than the Tigers are right now. And thats even after just losing two straight. We're still only 2.5 games back on the Indians. Most teams in both leagues, would love to only be a couple games back. Check the standings dumbs***. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, dude you're the biggest joke I've seen on these boards. You clearly know dick about baseball, and you're CLEARLY a bandwagon Tigers fan. You sound just like someone who has been a fan since '06. Yeah you're real hardcore pal.

Anytime you wanna come get schooled once again. Lemme know.

Seriously, play nice or don't play at all.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Yeah, I'm clearly a Tigers bandwagon fan moron. Since no one can be a fan if they are concerned with their team's awful play for a month and a half, then yes you are the ultimate fan.

Once again, your point of the Tigers having the best offense doesn't mean anything if the starting pitching doesn't improve. You can't rely on an offense to win championships in baseball. Oh wait, I don't know anything about baseball, so disregard that. The only reason the Tigers are remotely close to the division lead is because the Indians have been equally bad. The Tigers are lucky this "slump" hasn't cost them more. Yet, they continue to miss opportunities by losing to crappy teams, like the Devil Rays and White Sox. It's fortunate the Tigers have a chance at all to win the division. My point is they need to take advantage of the Indians poor play soon, before it is too late.

Wherever you got the idea that I have given up or lost faith is a joke. You seem to do quite well at making stuff up though. I think it is a legitimate concern to question your team when they continue to play awful baseball. I love it how you are the ultimate authority on what Tigers fans can say about the team. By the way, genius, your point that MOST teams would love to be 2.5 games back just proves my point. Almost every division race is that close, so what the hell are you trying to prove? Most teams would also love to go 12 games under .500 for a month and a half, and still have a chance at the division. If the Red Sox went 10-22, do you think the Yankees would only be 2.5 games up?

I'll be waiting for another "schooling" from you. Judging by your comments, it's the only schooling you have done lately.

Alright listen. Maybe part of this was a misunderstanding. Cause I got the vibe from you that you have basically given up on the Tigers this season. If that isnt the case, then I apologize. But You definitely made our situation sound alot worse than it is. Sure the Indians woes have helped our slump. But no matter what the reason, the Tigers are still only 2.5 games back. And we have about 6 more home games left than Cleveland does. IMO I think we are right in this race. And yeah I do agree our bullpen needs to step it up. But the Tigers havent "completely lost it" by any means yet. If this s*** continues into late September, than thats a totally different story. It could be ALOT worse for us right now. 2.5 games is very catchable. Especially with KC coming up and us getting healthier. Momentum is a huge part of baseball, so all we need is a few great pitching performances in a row, and that could coast us into October. Considering how great our lineup is. So I dont know for sure if you have lost faith in this team, but if you have, hold that thought until late September at least. Cause we have alot of baseball left to play. And a guy named Kenny Rogers getting healthier by the day.

You're not "schooling" anyone. Infact, you're just making yourself look like an *******. Speaking in a condescending tone doesn't impress anyone.

I understand where you're coming from. But I only took it there after I was insulted. So if that makes me look like an *******, than so be it. People shouldnt dish it out, if they cant take it.