2007 Baseball Season

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

I really don't get why Leyland keeps playing Hessman.

He should try this lineup:

I don't understand why Leyland keeps playing Grilli! I know we have injuries, but are you serious that there isn't a better player in the minors? Grilli would get shelled if he went and played for the Whitecaps! This streak sucks watching. I'm putting myself on the Tigers fan DL for a few days...maybe they will start winning again!!

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

I don't understand why Leyland keeps playing Grilli! I know we have injuries, but are you serious that there isn't a better player in the minors? Grilli would get shelled if he went and played for the Whitecaps! This streak sucks watching. I'm putting myself on the Tigers fan DL for a few days...maybe they will start winning again!!

I cringe everytime he gets sent out - actually true for most of the BP - but I just don't get it either...

Tigers are reeling - well w a new series starting vs the horrible Devil Rays - maybe we can win 4 in a row...

[aflac9262 211]

I don't understand why Leyland keeps playing Grilli! I know we have injuries, but are you serious that there isn't a better player in the minors? Grilli would get shelled if he went and played for the Whitecaps! This streak sucks watching. I'm putting myself on the Tigers fan DL for a few days...maybe they will start winning again!!

No kidding, he seems like he can't pitch an inning without giving up some runs! It's getting way too close for comfort now, with the Yanks and Mariners only a 1/2 game back in the wild card standings. Minnesota is now only 4 1/2 out of the division, and of course Cleveland is on top (barely).

Key Remaining Games:

- 8 vs Indians (3 Home, 5 Away)

- 3 vs Mariners (3 Home)

- 6 vs Twins (3 Home, 3 Away)

- 8 vs Yankees (4 Home, 4 Away)

I know our bullpen hasn't been that much of a problem as our starting pitching and offensive struggles have been as of late. This is a sad figure about our bullpen though. Our bullpen has given up 139 walks combined, and our starters have given up 168 walks combined. There's no reason why your bullpen's amount of walks is anywhere close to the number your starters give up combined!

Edited August 7, 2007 by aflac9262

[Kp-Wings 3]

I know the reason for that aflac... our bullpen sucks!

Ok, we're playing the Devils Rays tonight. The same Devils Rays that are last in the AL East. The same Devils Rays that are last in the entire American League, and are 19 games back of a wildcard spot. The same Devil Rays that have never had a winning record in their entire existance. I expect nothing short of a win.

[Airborn 0]

FINALLY!!!

The losing streak ends at 5 games. With Rodney and Jones dominating the 8th and 9th, it felt like it was 2006. Hopefully this get the guys going.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Amazing.

I wasn't able to watch the game, because I'm out of the house right now. I don't care how they did it, I'm just glad the losing streak is over.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Yes! Finally, something to cheer about.

Thank you Tigers for ending my misery for at least tonight.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

OK two in a row feels like a godsend right now - and vs. the horrible D. Rays but who cares.

I am in shock that Leyland ever even tries to put in Grilli - he almost single handedly blew that game last night - that should definitely be it for him - the writing is on the wall - he sucks. Plus with Rodney able to pitch some innings - he should be benched - permanently.

Question related to that - Since Robertson pitched 7.2 innings and we were ahead - how does Grilli blowing the lead get a no decision for Nate? I get confused on how they keep their stats sometimes. Plus, Nate pitched well and could have really used the win for his confidence - then Grilli comes in and blows it - pisses me off.

[eva unit zero 271]

OK two in a row feels like a godsend right now - and vs. the horrible D. Rays but who cares.

I am in shock that Leyland ever even tries to put in Grilli - he almost single handedly blew that game last night - that should definitely be it for him - the writing is on the wall - he sucks. Plus with Rodney able to pitch some innings - he should be benched - permanently.

Question related to that - Since Robertson pitched 7.2 innings and we were ahead - how does Grilli blowing the lead get a no decision for Nate? I get confused on how they keep their stats sometimes. Plus, Nate pitched well and could have really used the win for his confidence - then Grilli comes in and blows it - pisses me off.

The 'winning' pitcher and 'losing' pitcher is just like goalies in hockey; they are determined by when the winning run/goal is scored, who are the pitchers/goalies of record? The score was 6-3 when Robertson left in the top of the 8th, and 6-6 when Grilli left later that inning. Byrdak finished out the inning and was the pitcher of record when the winning run was scored in the bottom of the 8th. Jones came in for the 9th and got the save.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

With the way Raburn is looking, and with Thames on his way back, this should officially be the end of the Craig Monroe era in LF. Theres simply no reason to use him anymore other than the occasional pinch hit and spot start. I seen he was a listed as a possible interest for the Cubbies, who are looking for an outfielder due to Soriano's injury. Get rid of his ass, take anything...call up Clevlen to sit on the bench.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, the Tampa Bay Devil Rays spank the Tigers two days in a row. As much bashing as the bullpen takes (rightfully so), the starting pitching is a trainwreck now too. The Rays could have easily won all four games in that series.

I hate to say it but starting next Tuesday, the following two weeks will make or break the Tigers season. 13 straight games against the Yankees and Indians should determine whether this team makes the playoffs or not. There becomes a point when an extended losing streak becomes more than just a slump. The Tigers are dangerously approaching that line.

I don't want to panic quite yet, but this season is falling apart and quickly. I keep waiting for the old Tigers to come back, but it still hasn't happened. Please turn it around soon Tigers!

Edited August 9, 2007 by GoWings1905

[Airborn 0]

Another day, another s***ty start by a Tigers starting pitcher.

I don't know about you guys, but this is getting really old with me.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Another day, another s***ty start by a Tigers starting pitcher.

I don't know about you guys, but this is getting really old with me.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

QUOTE(Airborn @ August 10, 2007 - 08:18PM) *

Another day, another s***ty start by a Tigers starting pitcher.

I don't know about you guys, but this is getting really old with me.

[Airborn 0]

That's what the Tigers seem to be doing -- totally collapsing. They've lost six of the first eight games on this homestand and 16 of 22 since they left Minnesota after sweeping the Twins in a three-game series last month.

Blame the pitching.

In those 22 games, Tiger starters are 1-12 with a 7.71 ERA. The bullpen (5.13 ERA, 5-for-10 in save situations) hasn't been good, either.

The 16 runs lifted the Tigers' team ERA since the All-Star break to a horrendous 5.87.

How bad is that? Well, entering play Friday it would have ranked 29th in all of baseball, ahead of only Tampa Bay.

Guys I don't know about you, but I'm ready to see some heads roll. There's no way we should be pitching this bad with the talent we have. I would like to at least hear that the piching coach's job is in jeapordy.

How about releasing some guys. God knows we could do without Grilli. What about McBride. He has an option; send him down, and bring someone else up.

Looking at the stats above, we need to do something. Any action is better than no action at this point: Even if it's just for appearances sake.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

I was at the game tonight...it was entertaining, but sucked at the same time. We should be fine when we score 10 runs for crying out loud. The pitching is horrible...how is Grilli even on our roster? I would cut him in a second!

[aflac9262 211]

I was at the game tonight...it was entertaining, but sucked at the same time. We should be fine when we score 10 runs for crying out loud. The pitching is horrible...how is Grilli even on our roster? I would cut him in a second!

You should've heard Leyland during the postgame conference. He seemed out of it, and lost really.

I don't get why he don't give some other guys a chance. For instance, call up Jose Capellan and just try him! The stuff we got going now is not cutting it!

Our starters are going to have to start pitching like starters as well!

One positive thing though, is the offense. Now hopefully that can carry on through.

Things could be worse, but hell - at least we're still in it.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

You should've heard Leyland during the postgame conference. He seemed out of it, and lost really.

I don't get why he don't give some other guys a chance. For instance, call up Jose Capellan and just try him! The stuff we got going now is not cutting it!

Our starters are going to have to start pitching like starters as well!

One positive thing though, is the offense. Now hopefully that can carry on through.

Things could be worse, but hell - at least we're still in it.

Theres definitely the loyalty factor going on with Grilli, and its got to stop. You can go only go so far with it, he's been horrible all season long, he's gotta be sent down. Unfortunately, theres really not much in the minors to call up. I guess we could call De La Cruz back up, because he has talent, but theres some control issues and we know how frustrating that can be to watch. Maybe its time to send Tata back down and give Jurrjens a crack, since he's had the hot arm lately. Toledo is not a necessary stop for him, you can go from AA to the bigs. Another option, and i know its a crazy one, but didnt David Wells just get released? Yeah, I know he's sucked....but with Rogers being a question mark maybe take a chance and see if somehow Boomer can be revived? Sign him for the rest of the year (if he'd want to come here of course), give him a couple starts...if it doesnt work just let him go.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I'm losing hope and quickly. I've never seen a worse bullpen in my life. There is not one guy in there that I have any faith in whatsoever. Even if Zumaya comes back healthy, he can't pitch every inning in relief. I agree with everyone else that something different needs to be tried.

I think even Leyland knows this team is in big trouble. Hindsight is 20/20, but boy it sure looks like a deadline deal would have been the right move now.

They have to finish this series against Oakland well to generate some momentum for the Indians and Yankees. If not, we can kiss the playoffs goodbye.

Edited August 11, 2007 by GoWings1905

[Kp-Wings 3]

Gack... I don't know what to say anymore.

It's beginning to look more and more like the Tigers run last year was nothing but a fluke. Sorry to sound so negative, but come on. The bullpen is just ridculous right now, and is in total shambles.

Since St. Louis is already a guerenteed miss of the playoffs, if the Tigers miss also, both World Series teams last year will have missed the playoffs. Just like in the NHL with Carolina and Edmonton.

Sigh... you know, a few weeks ago, I wasn't worried. Despite the bullpen bulls*** that's going on right now, we were still winning games. Combine that with the fact that the Yankees were way out of it at that point, and there really was no cause for concern.

Now, we're losing games left and right, the bullpen looks like a bunch little leaguers out there, and the Yankees keep storming up the standings for the Wildcard spot. This is looking really bad at this point.

[timothy1997 0]

Gack... I don't know what to say anymore.

It's beginning to look more and more like the Tigers run last year was nothing but a fluke. Sorry to sound so negative, but come on. The bullpen is just ridculous right now, and is in total shambles.

Since St. Louis is already a guerenteed miss of the playoffs, if the Tigers miss also, both World Series teams last year will have missed the playoffs. Just like in the NHL with Carolina and Edmonton.

Sigh... you know, a few weeks ago, I wasn't worried. Despite the bullpen bulls*** that's going on right now, we were still winning games. Combine that with the fact that the Yankees were way out of it at that point, and there really was no cause for concern.

Now, we're losing games left and right, the bullpen looks like a bunch little leaguers out there, and the Yankees keep storming up the standings for the Wildcard spot. This is looking really bad at this point.

Fluke eh?

What if the years were reversed and the Tigers played like this last year. Fans would still be going crazy because the Tigers havent been that good until lately.

I like this Tigers run and they can just compete for the divison year in and year out, its a far cry from the 90s .....and it will make my summer go by nicer.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Gack... I don't know what to say anymore.

It's beginning to look more and more like the Tigers run last year was nothing but a fluke. Sorry to sound so negative, but come on. The bullpen is just ridculous right now, and is in total shambles.

Since St. Louis is already a guerenteed miss of the playoffs, if the Tigers miss also, both World Series teams last year will have missed the playoffs. Just like in the NHL with Carolina and Edmonton.

Sigh... you know, a few weeks ago, I wasn't worried. Despite the bullpen bulls*** that's going on right now, we were still winning games. Combine that with the fact that the Yankees were way out of it at that point, and there really was no cause for concern.

Now, we're losing games left and right, the bullpen looks like a bunch little leaguers out there, and the Yankees keep storming up the standings for the Wildcard spot. This is looking really bad at this point.

Nah, they definitely were not a fluke. Having no Walker and no Zumaya does hurt alot. Plus theres the natural year after letdown that seems to effect teams from every sport who go to the championship game. I said a few months back that they looked like they were inevitably following in the '06 White Sox footsteps (who were also not a fluke), with Cleveland being the "new Tigers". If you wouldve told me then that they'd be only a half game out at this point i'd have been really pleased! Although the losing is tough keep in mind that it does not really matter what the Yanks do, nor what the M's do. All that really matters is the Indians! I also still keep looking back at Minnesota expecting them to make their run, im actually more worried about them still then what the Yanks or M's do! A good part of me still can see them sneaking up and taking this thing while the Tigs and Indians lose and beat each other up. So im certainly not confident, but im just happy more or less that we're still right in it at this point.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

If i was Magglio i might watch out the rest of this game...it looked like he was watching that 2nd homer a little bit too long.

[Chase 0]

Yeah 2 homers in the same inning for Mags... First time since 1955 when Al Kaline did it...

[Kp-Wings 3]

Nah, they definitely were not a fluke. Having no Walker and no Zumaya does hurt alot. Plus theres the natural year after letdown that seems to effect teams from every sport who go to the championship game. I said a few months back that they looked like they were inevitably following in the '06 White Sox footsteps (who were also not a fluke), with Cleveland being the "new Tigers". If you wouldve told me then that they'd be only a half game out at this point i'd have been really pleased! Although the losing is tough keep in mind that it does not really matter what the Yanks do, nor what the M's do. All that really matters is the Indians! I also still keep looking back at Minnesota expecting them to make their run, im actually more worried about them still then what the Yanks or M's do! A good part of me still can see them sneaking up and taking this thing while the Tigs and Indians lose and beat each other up. So im certainly not confident, but im just happy more or less that we're still right in it at this point.

Ok, so fluke is a strong word. But you figure the whole "year letdown" thing, and it's pretty disappointing considering what we did the year before. I don't know, it just bothers me.

With the talent this team has, there shouldn't be these kinds of glaring problems that there currently is. It's just frustrating. As a fan, I want the team to be successful. I don't really want to "settle" for something less.

...and while the Yankees might not seem like a overly huge threat, I'm worried. They do this kind of thing every year. They suck in the beginning, George Steinbrenner rants to the meida, they make a trade or two, and then out of nowhere make the playoffs. It happens every year, so I have reason to believe it could happen again this year, if history is any indication.

Maybe I am overeacting. Todays game was a good one, so hopefully it's a sign of things to come.

Fluke eh?

What if the years were reversed and the Tigers played like this last year. Fans would still be going crazy because the Tigers havent been that good until lately.

I like this Tigers run and they can just compete for the divison year in and year out, its a far cry from the 90s .....and it will make my summer go by nicer.

Well, of course it's better then what was going on in the 90's. But still, considering the talent level this team currently has, they shouldn't be losing games to crappy teams like Tampa and Oakland.

But yeah, I will say this year is much better then what was going on during the 90's, and was going great up until this recent stretch. I just hope it's just that: a bad stretch.

Edited August 13, 2007 by Kp-Wings