GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 25, 2007 (edited) Wow. Nice performance from the bullpen. Blowing a 7-1 lead to the worst offense in the American League. A move HAS to be made at the trade deadline. This team will go nowhere in the playoffs (provided they make it) with the current situation they have in the bullpen. The Tigers had a chance to add some distance from the Indians by playing the Royals and White Sox, and their bullpen ruins it, as always. Sorry for the rant, but this is really frustrating. The Tigers bullpen makes me sick. Edited July 25, 2007 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Wow. Nice performance from the bullpen. Blowing a 7-1 lead to the worst offense in the American League. A move HAS to be made at the trade deadline. This team will go nowhere in the playoffs (provided they make it) with the current situation they have in the bullpen. The Tigers had a chance to add some distance from the Indians by playing the Royals and White Sox, and their bullpen ruins it, as always. Sorry for the rant, but this is really frustrating. The Tigers bullpen makes me sick. That game was utterly sickening. Watching them blow that lead made me want to eat a baby. ...and they lost again today, damnit. Jeez, Chicago sucks. This shouldn't be happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 I ***** all the time about not being able to watch Tigers games down here....but performances like today's make me feel better that I dont waste time and anger. It's just one game, actually a few games, and it's obvious the bullpen needs some serious help. If Rodey and Zumaya were in the forms of last year AND healthy, we probably have 5-10 more wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Latest has the Tigers interested in possibly bringing Farnsworth back...IF we cant get Lidge im all for it! I mentioned way back in this thread that i wish we would trade Maroth for Farnsey, so if we get him i'll take half credit He hasnt pitched up to expectations with the Yanks, but that happens with alot of guys. I think we could bring him back to what he was with us a few years ago. I'd definitely take this option over guys like Dotel, Cordero, and Otsuka. Yanks apparently are also willing to pay some of his salary, so i dont think this would cost us much as theyre pretty eager to get rid of him it sounds like. I guess it would be pretty humorous if we traded Zach Miner for him! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Latest has the Tigers interested in possibly bringing Farnsworth back...IF we cant get Lidge im all for it! I mentioned way back in this thread that i wish we would trade Maroth for Farnsey, so if we get him i'll take half credit He hasnt pitched up to expectations with the Yanks, but that happens with alot of guys. I think we could bring him back to what he was with us a few years ago. I'd definitely take this option over guys like Dotel, Cordero, and Otsuka. Yanks apparently are also willing to pay some of his salary, so i dont think this would cost us much as theyre pretty eager to get rid of him it sounds like. I guess it would be pretty humorous if we traded Zach Miner for him! I'm all for Farnsworth coming back. My first choice is still Gagne, but it doesn't look like the Rangers will trade him. At this point though, I will honestly be happy with any addition to the bullpen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 I'm all for Farnsworth coming back. My first choice is still Gagne, but it doesn't look like the Rangers will trade him. At this point though, I will honestly be happy with any addition to the bullpen. Gagne also holds the cards there, as the Tigers weren't on the list of teams he'd allow himself to be traded too a month or two ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Gagne also holds the cards there, as the Tigers weren't on the list of teams he'd allow himself to be traded too a month or two ago. Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. Is that due to Gagne's demands to remain a closer if he is traded? If so, I'm not sure why the Tigers wouldn't allow Gagne to take over for Jones. Anyways, tough start for Nate again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. Is that due to Gagne's demands to remain a closer if he is traded? If so, I'm not sure why the Tigers wouldn't allow Gagne to take over for Jones. Anyways, tough start for Nate again. Yep thats definitely a main factor....he also could want to go somewhere that would give him an extension as well. I dont really like the idea of replacing Jones with Gagne though. Jones is completely useless unless he's closing a game out, i mean, how many times have we seen him go in a non save situation and get totally hit up? So in effect, while your adding Gagne as your closer you're almost subtracting Jones in a sense. Im content with him as closer, he may be a little rocky at times but he at least throws strikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 After checking a little further, I believe Gagne has one of those limited no trade clauses. I just seen a rumor talking about the Yankees being interested and that Gagne wouldnt be able to stop that trade. I do know for sure that he's able to block a trade here though.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 It looks like Dotel is going to the Braves, who also just got Texiera, so scratch him off the list. The Nats asked for Cameron Maybin for friggin Jon Rauch...what a joke. I wouldnt even bother calling that team anymore.. I just keep laughing when I hear people claim that both Rodney and Zumaya are like deadline acquisitions when they return. Have they completely forgotten that Rodney sucked ass ALL SEASON?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 We need to have hope...Rodney will return to form upon his return...in that sense, he will be a deadline acquisition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) If we are going to rely on Rodney's return to shore up the bullpen, the Tigers are in big trouble. Even with Zumaya coming back at some point, I want to see another reliever added regardless. 17 hours to go, make it happen DD! Edited July 31, 2007 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 We need to have hope...Rodney will return to form upon his return...in that sense, he will be a deadline acquisition. My point though is the guy has been horrible all season....what the hell kinda "acquisition" is that?!!! If Rodney was pitching well, and then fell off for a month and went on the DL...I could understand it. Like maybe he'd back to his earlier form...but im sorry, the guy has shown zippo all season long. Hey, maybe he makes a big turnaround...who knows, but i just think its stupid to view his return as some big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 Stupid view...at this point a stupid view wouldnt be as bad as our current bullpen, right? Saturday I was ready to stab myself in the face until someone handed me a beer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 Rodney is part of the current bullpen woes. I know, he's on the DL, but he's been terrible all season long before that. I don't think our faith should be put into him. It's not like our bullpen was any better when he was healthy. It's been the same all season: terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 Sorry for the double post here guys... Anyways, breaking news on the Gagne front. According to TSN the Boston Red Sox are in the midst of acquiring Gagne from Texas. The only holdup is Gagne still has to waive his no trade clause. Still no news on the Tigers yet... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 Been watching (or listening) all season but haven't posted here yet. Bummer if the Sox get Gagne - better to have him in the NL. Of course the Tigers were on a roll until I was in Michigan/Ontario area for 10 days - then they go on a mega losing streak. Unfortunately they've been out of town so I missed getting to go to Comerica Park - never seen a game there. Time ticking on any trades. I think the starting pitiching will be fine in the long run - just a bad few weeks. Hope Rogers can fully recover. Bullpen is of course horrific - it's a sad statement when everyone is so excited for Rodney coming back. I still think this team can go the distance - too bad we're not in the NL....Go Tigers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 Various sources confirm it's offical. Gagne is going to the Red Sox. Still waiting for a trade here involving the Tigers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) Stupid view...at this point a stupid view wouldnt be as bad as our current bullpen, right? Saturday I was ready to stab myself in the face until someone handed me a beer. Sorry about the stupid part, poor choice of wording. But like myself and Kp said, Rodney was an integral part of the bullpen woes all season...so I just dont understand why his return supposedly improves things. Well, looks like everything's pinned on Zumaya returning and staying healthy now. Tigers do nothing. Not happy! At the very least, an improvement over Jason Grilli shouldve been made for crying out loud. Dombrowski is one hell of a GM, but i dont understand this one. Way too much hope on Joel...and no reserve infielder?? Edited July 31, 2007 by Lou_Siffer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 I'm surprised Gagne went to Boston. From what I read, his whole deal was he wanted to go someplace where he'd be the closer. Isn't Paplebon still closing in Boston, or am I just out of the loop? I don't think this is really DD's fault either if the Tigers don't make a trade. There don't seem to be many relief arms available, so the asking price is probably too high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) I'm surprised Gagne went to Boston. From what I read, his whole deal was he wanted to go someplace where he'd be the closer. Isn't Paplebon still closing in Boston, or am I just out of the loop? I don't think this is really DD's fault either if the Tigers don't make a trade. There don't seem to be many relief arms available, so the asking price is probably too high. You are right - Papelbon is still the Red Sox closer. The Red Sox plan on using Gagne in save opportunities when Papelbon needs a rest, so probably very rarely. Otherwise, Gagne will be their set-up man in place of the injured Mike Timlin. I was also surprised that Gagne went to Boston of all places. Not a bad move though for the team with the best bullpen in baseball already. As for the Tigers, I'm shocked they didn't make some kind of move. I suppose it was beyond DD's control, when there are more buyers than sellers in the relievers market. The asking price was probably beyond belief for some of the available players. The one deal I thought was almost certain this morning though was the Tigers getting Jack Wilson and then either Damaso Marte or Soloman Torres from the Pirates. Buster Olney reported on ESPN earlier in the day that the trade was close to happening. I suppose the sticking point was how much the Tigers would pick up from Wilson's hefty contract. All I can say is Rodney and Zumaya better come back and perform well, or the Tigers bullpen will ruin their playoff run. The Red Sox and Angels are both better than the Tigers without those two guys coming out of the pen. I'm rather disappointed right now with no move(s) being made, but we'll see what happens. Go Tigers! Edited July 31, 2007 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 I'm surprised Gagne went to Boston. From what I read, his whole deal was he wanted to go someplace where he'd be the closer. Isn't Paplebon still closing in Boston, or am I just out of the loop? I don't think this is really DD's fault either if the Tigers don't make a trade. There don't seem to be many relief arms available, so the asking price is probably too high. I just seen a report of Gagne possibly becoming closer, with Papelbon moving to set-up. Gagne may not have been able to block a trade to Boston anyways though, he had a limited no trade where he was only able to block a certain amount of teams...which he submitted on a list. Something to that effect... Something shouldve been done though, at the very least one of Pittsburgh's cheap bullpen arms. Not anybody good, but just someone better than Grilli! As for the Tigers, I'm shocked they didn't make some kind of move. I suppose it was beyond DD's control, when there are more buyers than sellers in the relievers market. The asking price was probably beyond belief for some of the available players. The one deal I thought was almost certain this morning though was the Tigers getting Jack Wilson and then either Damaso Marte or Soloman Torres from the Pirates. Buster Olney reported on ESPN earlier in the day that the trade was close to happening. I suppose the sticking point was how much the Tigers would pick up from Wilson's hefty contract. At first I wanted Jack Wilson just for the sake of doing something, but man i thought this guy was better than what he really is. His stats are really weak...not someone i'd want as starting SS next season. I was kinda hoping for that guy in Colorado's AAA Clint Barmes or whatever, theyve been talking about him in the paper the last couple weeks. Sounds like he wouldve made for a good backup at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) I just seen a report of Gagne possibly becoming closer, with Papelbon moving to set-up. Gagne may not have been able to block a trade to Boston anyways though, he had a limited no trade where he was only able to block a certain amount of teams...which he submitted on a list. Something to that effect... Something shouldve been done though, at the very least one of Pittsburgh's cheap bullpen arms. Not anybody good, but just someone better than Grilli! Gagne had to approve a trade to Boston. They were not one of the teams that could acquire Gagne without his consent. In other words, Gagne's list of teams he would be willing to go to did not include the Red Sox. I also agree that, no matter what, some reliever needed to be added. I would have liked to see that Wilson and either Marte or Torres deal go down with the Pirates. That would have addressed both major issues that the Tigers have. As I said before, the breaking point was probably Wilson's contract. I'm counting the days now until Zoom comes back... Edited July 31, 2007 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted August 1, 2007 I'm counting the days now until Zoom comes back... Count some more - the pen sucked as bad as ever tonight - and there is no help coming via outside apparently. So it's up to Zoom and Rodney (cough-cough) to save the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted August 1, 2007 Wow, I'm disappointed. Thought we'd see at least one trade. The bullpen is and continues to be awful, and now we need to put faith in Rodney? Damn it all. *throws in Ken Holland esque insult at Dombrowski* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
