Ban the "rental player"

[alienanxiety 23]

To me the whole idea of padding your team by taking advantage of other teams lack of playoff hopes almost comes across as cheating a bit. To me, a true team plays through the ups and downs of a season together, earns the playoff rights together, and goes for a championship together. I have no problem with playersbeing acquired at the deadline, aslong as the intent is that this player will actually be a member of the team, and not just a hired gun. My feelings on this have become stronger since Doug Weight basically admitted that he was only on Carolina to win a Cup, and then he was going back to St. Louis. If I was a Hurricane, I wouldn't want him in my locker room, I'd see him as a St. Louis Blue on vacation.

My suggestion is this, and I know for various reasons it will never fly, but i think it would lend some credibility to trade dealines... keep the trade deadline where it is, hell move it back into March if you want, but any player acquired after Jan 1st who is set to become a UFA automatically gets his contract extended another year, or he at least becomes an RFA.

[Majsheppard 203]

uhhh, no that is really really dumb.

[Zeke 5]

To me the whole idea of padding your team by taking advantage of other teams lack of playoff hopes almost comes across as cheating a bit. To me, a true team plays through the ups and downs of a season together, earns the playoff rights together, and goes for a championship together. I have no problem with playersbeing acquired at the deadline, aslong as the intent is that this player will actually be a member of the team, and not just a hired gun. My feelings on this have become stronger since Doug Weight basically admitted that he was only on Carolina to win a Cup, and then he was going back to St. Louis. If I was a Hurricane, I wouldn't want him in my locker room, I'd see him as a St. Louis Blue on vacation.

My suggestion is this, and I know for various reasons it will never fly, but i think it would lend some credibility to trade dealines... keep the trade deadline where it is, hell move it back into March if you want, but any player acquired after Jan 1st who is set to become a UFA automatically gets his contract extended another year, or he at least becomes an RFA.

How about if he is not allowed to sign with the team that dealt him for 1 year?

[Zetter is Better 0]

The rental player shows how much players can care about money more than loyalty to their team. I hate how Bondra signed with Sens at the dealine a while ago but never even played more than 20-30 games with them

[BlakChamber 8]

Uh, no.

[gowings1985 0]

To me the whole idea of padding your team by taking advantage of other teams lack of playoff hopes almost comes across as cheating a bit. To me, a true team plays through the ups and downs of a season together, earns the playoff rights together, and goes for a championship together. I have no problem with playersbeing acquired at the deadline, aslong as the intent is that this player will actually be a member of the team, and not just a hired gun. My feelings on this have become stronger since Doug Weight basically admitted that he was only on Carolina to win a Cup, and then he was going back to St. Louis. If I was a Hurricane, I wouldn't want him in my locker room, I'd see him as a St. Louis Blue on vacation.

My suggestion is this, and I know for various reasons it will never fly, but i think it would lend some credibility to trade dealines... keep the trade deadline where it is, hell move it back into March if you want, but any player acquired after Jan 1st who is set to become a UFA automatically gets his contract extended another year, or he at least becomes an RFA.

I agree about the players should go throught the ups and downs together and not just load up before the trade deadline, but this time of the season is most exciting, and teams choose to send players away often before their playoff hopes are even gone. We can call these guys scumbags all we want but is part of the game and remember, the wings can acquire players too!! There shouldn't be a rule I don't think, and by the way why would you ever want to vacation in St. Louis??

[JeeSpot82 10]

I'm inclined to agree. I don't mind the idea of the "rental player," however I don't like that he may re-sign with the team from which he was dealt. I don't want to see an automatic year added to a contract, because as a free agent-to-be, its his right to determine what moves are best for himself and his family. And unless he has a no-trade clause that he must waive, he's not always in control of where he ends up at the deadline. However, I wouldn't mind a rule that said he can't return to his team via free agency immediately. To me, it seems that a player can't give his all for a team he doesn't care about being a part of - and what good is he to the new team if he's a St. Louis Blue at heart?

For the team trading away "rental player," it should have to be clear that they have no intention, desire, or possibility of retaining the UFA-to-be to dish him away to the highest bidder. Otherwise, it seems an awful lot like acquiring players/assets for absolutely nothing.

Acquiring a player shouldn't be a momentary thing. To be a member of the team, one can't offer his services for a month or two and then expect a bus ticket back to LA, St. Louis, or Philly.

[KrazyGangsta 79]

i agree with you ... i think its bulls*** ... i like your idea and if his heart is with the another team he shouldnt waive his clause and if he deosnt have a choice ... id be pretty pissed if my gm kicked me out of my team if i didnt want to leave ,i wouldnt play for that team again... its like bye guys im going to win a cup and you guys will be playing golf ... and ill be back after i try to win the cup

Edited February 18, 2007 by KrazyGangsta

[alienanxiety 23]

I can see how the idea of another year being tacked onto his contract is against his right to free agency, maybe in that circumstance then every player has a no trade clause, in terms of being dealt at the deadline, then they can decide to either stay where they are, go to the new team with a negotiable or arbitration decided one year extension, or he can go to the new team and be a RFA for the following season. That covers the greedy player .. now for the greedy owner side ... the team that deals a player after Jan 1st cannot re-sign that player for a full season, similar to the buying out of a contract rule. This way the league can prevent teams and players from taking advantage of this system.

I mean, would you really want a guy on your team coming from some last place club, and reaping the playoff rewards that you and your team mates fought so hard for all year, and conversely, wouldn't you feel like a retard as a player from a last place club and being handed a contending new team for the playoffs. i have always hated the whole, "i'd like to go to a contender, to try to win a cup." f*** you - earn it. the worst example of this was ray bourque leaving boston to coast to an easy cup with colorado. did he feel proud of that cup when he held it high? did he feel he earned it? i don't think he did. they would have one that cup with or without him, he was just a tourist.

Edited February 18, 2007 by alienanxiety

[Guest Crymson]

To me the whole idea of padding your team by taking advantage of other teams lack of playoff hopes almost comes across as cheating a bit. To me, a true team plays through the ups and downs of a season together, earns the playoff rights together, and goes for a championship together. I have no problem with playersbeing acquired at the deadline, aslong as the intent is that this player will actually be a member of the team, and not just a hired gun. My feelings on this have become stronger since Doug Weight basically admitted that he was only on Carolina to win a Cup, and then he was going back to St. Louis. If I was a Hurricane, I wouldn't want him in my locker room, I'd see him as a St. Louis Blue on vacation.

My suggestion is this, and I know for various reasons it will never fly, but i think it would lend some credibility to trade dealines... keep the trade deadline where it is, hell move it back into March if you want, but any player acquired after Jan 1st who is set to become a UFA automatically gets his contract extended another year, or he at least becomes an RFA.

Rental players exist in every sport. If you dump the trades at the deadline, you'll be discriminating against poorer teams who might have come into a bit of money as the season has progressed and need to sign someone in order to compete with higher-income teams in the playoffs, and you'll also be dooming the would-be sellers who desperately need prospects from trades in order to rebuild.

[Guest ZetterBurger40]

My feelings on this have become stronger since Doug Weight basically admitted that he was only on Carolina to win a Cup, and then he was going back to St. Louis. If I was a Hurricane, I wouldn't want him in my locker room, I'd see him as a St. Louis Blue on vacation.

Um, no you wouldn't. You would see him as a good player that would help your team win a cup. :caution:

If you're going to get rid of the rental player, you need to get rid of contracts and contract expirations too.

[alienanxiety 23]

Um, no you wouldn't. You would see him as a good player that would help your team win a cup. :caution:

If you're going to get rid of the rental player, you need to get rid of contracts and contract expirations too.

dude, the rental player is a NEW phenomenon, last 10 years or so. i'm not saying get rid of deadline deals, i am saying make sure that the player is ... you know .. actually a member of the team.

[Guest ZetterBurger40]

dude, the rental player is a NEW phenomenon, last 10 years or so. i'm not saying get rid of deadline deals, i am saying make sure that the player is ... you know .. actually a member of the team.

It seems that you are an angered fan that could be mad that Floppa went to Nashville and not Detroit? Saying that you would see Weight as a STL Blue on vacation is just ridiculous. NHL Players have one goal; to win the Stanley Cup- I am SURE that nobody on that CAR team objected to an infidel coming in to help them win. Not even going into GM strategy, your idea makes no sense at all.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

On second thought, let's not go to LGW. 'Tis a silly place.

[Earthhuman 8]

:caution:

... getting pretty tired of that sign. Hey, if a team wants it, they can have it.

[alienanxiety 23]

It seems that you are an angered fan that could be mad that Floppa went to Nashville and not Detroit? Saying that you would see Weight as a STL Blue on vacation is just ridiculous. NHL Players have one goal; to win the Stanley Cup- I am SURE that nobody on that CAR team objected to an infidel coming in to help them win. Not even going into GM strategy, your idea makes no sense at all.

i couldn't care less about forsberg, i want us to get a player, which we should have done before the season, but i don't want some ass who isn't going to stick with us for at least another season. call me old fashioned.

[Earthhuman 8]

On second thought, let's not go to LGW. 'Tis a silly place.

This ^^ is much better than :caution: <---- this.

It actually makes me laugh.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

To me the whole idea of padding your team by taking advantage of other teams lack of playoff hopes almost comes across as cheating a bit. To me, a true team plays through the ups and downs of a season together, earns the playoff rights together, and goes for a championship together. I have no problem with playersbeing acquired at the deadline, aslong as the intent is that this player will actually be a member of the team, and not just a hired gun. My feelings on this have become stronger since Doug Weight basically admitted that he was only on Carolina to win a Cup, and then he was going back to St. Louis. If I was a Hurricane, I wouldn't want him in my locker room, I'd see him as a St. Louis Blue on vacation.

My suggestion is this, and I know for various reasons it will never fly, but i think it would lend some credibility to trade dealines... keep the trade deadline where it is, hell move it back into March if you want, but any player acquired after Jan 1st who is set to become a UFA automatically gets his contract extended another year, or he at least becomes an RFA.

Doug Weight has paid his dues and is a helluva hockey player and is far from a jackass. I'm not sulking that he got traded to Carolina for a short while and won it all.

[CloudConnected 0]

The trade deadline is yet another way to create parity in the league. Just like the worst teams getting the first draft pick, the lesser teams in the league can get rid of their aging, expiring commodities and get young players and draft picks to build their team toward the future. It's not a bad thing.

Plus, the teams getting these playoff rentals know what they're getting into. Carolina knew they weren't going to keep Weight, but he did his job. They won the Cup and he was a key player in that run. Carolina addressed a need they had last year, and knew it was a gamble, but it payed off. And if I were a Hurricane last year, I'd be happy that I had Weight in the locker room because he's a great player and he'll help me get my ring. Team's know what they're getting into, if they have a shot at signing the guy they trade for, and what they have to give up to get those players. That's why Holland's inactivity can be a good thing in some years, because he can weigh the positives and the negatives in his personnel moves.

That said, Kenny has to make a couple of deals this year. And we may only see these guys for a couple months. But if they get us to the Cup again then it was all worth it.

[betterREDthandead 58]

To me the whole idea of padding your team by taking advantage of other teams lack of playoff hopes almost comes across as cheating a bit. To me, a true team plays through the ups and downs of a season together, earns the playoff rights together, and goes for a championship together. I have no problem with playersbeing acquired at the deadline, aslong as the intent is that this player will actually be a member of the team, and not just a hired gun. My feelings on this have become stronger since Doug Weight basically admitted that he was only on Carolina to win a Cup, and then he was going back to St. Louis. If I was a Hurricane, I wouldn't want him in my locker room, I'd see him as a St. Louis Blue on vacation.

My suggestion is this, and I know for various reasons it will never fly, but i think it would lend some credibility to trade dealines... keep the trade deadline where it is, hell move it back into March if you want, but any player acquired after Jan 1st who is set to become a UFA automatically gets his contract extended another year, or he at least becomes an RFA.

That wouldn't "lend credibility" to the trade deadline. It would grind trading to a screeching halt. What fun is that?

And besides, players would be FURIOUS. I'm having a great year, I'm set to become an unrestricted free agent and finally earn my payday, and now I get traded and have to become an RFA and put off the payday for another two, three years?

Like you said, it would never fly. For more than a few reasons.

[wingslogo19 281]

Ok, so what else should we BAN THEN

[BlakChamber 8]

I mean, would you really want a guy on your team coming from some last place club, and reaping the playoff rewards that you and your team mates fought so hard for all year, and conversely, wouldn't you feel like a retard as a player from a last place club and being handed a contending new team for the playoffs. i have always hated the whole, "i'd like to go to a contender, to try to win a cup." f*** you - earn it. the worst example of this was ray bourque leaving boston to coast to an easy cup with colorado. did he feel proud of that cup when he held it high? did he feel he earned it? i don't think he did. they would have one that cup with or without him, he was just a tourist.

If my choices are win the Cup with a renter, or lose in the playoffs, I'll take winning with a renter every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

And I'd be willing to bet 99.9% of the players in the league would feel the same way.

[wingslogo19 281]

If my choices are win the Cup with a renter, or lose in the playoffs, I'll take winning with a renter every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

And I'd be willing to bet 99.9% of the players in the league would feel the same way.

Well said

[Guest Crymson]

On second thought, let's not go to LGW. 'Tis a silly place.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[toby91_ca 620]

The rental player shows how much players can care about money more than loyalty to their team. I hate how Bondra signed with Sens at the dealine a while ago but never even played more than 20-30 games with them

I'm not sure how any of what you are saying even makes sense. Firstly, Bondra didn't sign with Ottawa, he was traded their by Washington. Ottawa was trying to make their team better for the playoffs. Players do not trade themselves at the deadline to other teams, their teams' GMs trade them. Sometimes the players are consulted, etc., sometimes they are not.

More importantly, this type of transaction couldn't be further from having anything to do with money (from the player's perspective). Bondra did not earn a single penny more with Ottawa than he would have earned if he stayed with Washington.