Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I was one of them. I thought he would bring a sense of toughness that the Wings surely needed, but after seeing that, I definitly don't want him now. What a jerk. Yeah, I agree. But I think I wanted 98 playoffs Simon, not present Simon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevie for president 42 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 No, 10 minute misconducts do not result in a short-handed situation. The player is merely in the box for 10 minutes. This is kind of a fundamental rule of hockey. Usually they are assessed in conjunction with 2 for unsportsmanlike or with a game misconduct. Unlike most penalties, goaltenders DO have to serve their own 10-minute misconducts. This wasn't classified as a misconduct penalty. It was intent to injure. The box score per yahoo says NY Islanders tripping - 2 min 1:32, M. Satan NY Islanders hooking - 2 min 7:09, T. Poti NY Islanders attempt to injure - 10 min 13:29, C. Simon served by A. Hilbert NY Rangers hooking - 2 min 17:18, M. Rozsival There is no unsportsmanlike, or any other penalty for that matter, that would cause the gwg to be scored on the ensuing powerplay. This is why i am confused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I was among people who though of Simon coming to Wings. am I glad he didn't come? who says he would do something like that on Wings team? and how on earth can one raise this argument when the Wings pulled Bertuzzi who is second only to McSorley on the list of worst suspensions of recent years? puhlease... Bertuzzi invalidates all such talk and yeah... I was also refering to Simon from his best playoff runs (Caps and Flames). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 This wasn't classified as a misconduct penalty. It was intent to injure. The box score per yahoo says NY Islanders tripping - 2 min 1:32, M. Satan NY Islanders hooking - 2 min 7:09, T. Poti NY Islanders attempt to injure - 10 min 13:29, C. Simon served by A. Hilbert NY Rangers hooking - 2 min 17:18, M. Rozsival There is no unsportsmanlike, or any other penalty for that matter, that would cause the gwg to be scored on the ensuing powerplay. This is why i am confused. From the shift chart it looks like Simon was assessed 5+10 min. and the game misconduct. Hilbert, who sat for Simon, only sat in the box for 5 min. But the box score doesn't have 5 min. Strange. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bender 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) I don't get the box score either - wouldn't the actual PP in this case be a result of a high stick (+ blood call) or was it for unsportsman-like conduct ? Unless I missed something, they were still on the PP even after the GWG went in... Edited March 9, 2007 by Bender Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hardcoretom21 71 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 Yes you only sit for 5 mins because I think after a 5 min and 10 min majors you are ejected from the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 From the shift chart it looks like Simon was assessed 5+10 min. and the game misconduct. Hilbert, who sat for Simon, only sat in the box for 5 min. But the box score doesn't have 5 min. Strange. I think the boxscore is just missing the 5 minute major. The typical scenario is 5, 10 and a game and the other team gets a full 5 minutes of powerplay time, regardless of how many goals they may score. A 10 minute misconduct would never result in a 10 minute powerplay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan75 2 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 Ummmm, maybe you should actually watch the play before deciding to write about it. Holloweg did drive Simon into the boards right before the slash. Unless you trying to suggest it happened 10 seconds before and saying right before isn't accurage, in which case, I do not understand your point. Whoops my bad! I watched it several times thank you very much. I thought that it was someone else that nailed Simon before the hit as was pointed out in an earlier post in this thread. It looked like Holloweg just came into the play after the hit and took the blow. Oh well, all's fair in love and war. Sorry iif that was corrected I didn't sit all day in General Discussion to discuss this and I didn't think to read through 4 pages of posts to see if I was wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auxlepli 17 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) great,...now this will be the only hockey coverage most of america will see for a while. Yep. Most hockey coverage that ESPN has given from what I've seen. That said at least Mike & Mike on the morning program said this isn't indicative of hockey. Edited March 9, 2007 by auxlepli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 when will these players learn. Im telling you its gonna take a player to die on of after a game till the NHL actually does something about this and then maybe it will be to late. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sergei_is_still_a_wing 1 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 i'm just really glad that stick wasn't an inch lower (and we saw a horrific clint marlachuk incident) or an inch higher (and see a bryan berard type eye injury) the fact that the guy will not miss a game is irrelevant. im just saying im glad he is ok. simon should be booted for this season AT LEAST, but i'd like to see him suspended til FEB 08 like mcsorely was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest paveldatsukthenextsavard Report post Posted March 9, 2007 That said, Bertuzzi, even though he didn't use his stick, was still worse. Simon and McSorley were 'heat of the moment' actions, while Bertuzzi's was a premeditated assault. That alone makes Bertuzzi's actions worse. I'd have to disagree. the getting payback part was premeditated, but before the cheapshot from behind, bertuzzi challenged steve moore, repeatedly, to a fair fight. I sincerely doubt bertuzzi was planning on punching moore in the head from behind, previous to the moment when moore turned his back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I'd have to disagree. the getting payback part was premeditated, but before the cheapshot from behind, bertuzzi challenged steve moore, repeatedly, to a fair fight. I sincerely doubt bertuzzi was planning on punching moore in the head from behind, previous to the moment when moore turned his back the other way of viewing this is: Simon did what he did in the heat of the moment. he deserves a boot anyway but you can't call it a blatantly set-up situation. which is what Bertuzzi was involved. from the media point of view, Moore incident is to much extent a bad ending (hence the league reaction). but it was an ending of what was a regular hunt and active search for bashing into which Crawford chased his team. sure, Moore is a ***** who was good only to f* the things up, but not when it came to fighting. but it doesn't change the fact that the entire situation was waaay to close to head-hunt. similar example is Ruff's recent decision to send Peters against Spezza. cold-bloded decision to goon things up and "show'em" with clear intent to do crap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GongShow86 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2007 Ive been playin hockey for 17 years from travel hockey to juniors and never once in the heat of the moment did i ever think to retaliate with my stick at head level.... unexceptable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 I actually just found out about this today and saw a quick recap on ESPN.com. I haven't read the first 4/5 pages concerning this so I'm fresh in this thread but, my take... I'm not really worried about if this incidient is another 'black eye' on the NHL or not. The league isn't going anywhere, I like watching the sport, I'm not worried if others don't or really won't attempt to watch it. I'm not going to work 24 hours a day to change minds, so I really don't care about it giving the NHL any bad pub, cause I know it's still fun to watch this sport. In any sport played at a high level, emotions will run high, there's intensity. Still, you have to keep a level head. Past incidents from McSorely, Lemieux, Bertuzzi, and this one by Simon, are inexcusable, no matter how much in-the-heat-of-the-moment the situation is. Some control has to be maintained. Hopefully the suspension will be just/fair, and hopefully Chris Simon will learn from this and I'm confident that he'll apologize and he'll regret what he did after this events starts to settle down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogeygolfer 4 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Rest of the season sounds fair the guy had I coming though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing-in-avs-town 123 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Rest of the season sounds fair the guy had I coming though What the hell are you talking about? The guy had it coming to him???? There is ABSOULTLY no excuss for this kind of action. Like it was said before, he used his stick as a weapon, PERIOD! He'll get the rest of this year, playoffs, and next year. Of course, there will be an appeal, and he'll get 10-20 games next season too. The bottom line ... Any player that uses his stick in this manner should be banned from the game, end of discussion. This is not accidential, heat of the moment, or a retaliation. Its criminal, with out a doubt. He could of got back at him, ( if he indeed had it coming) by dropping his stick and gloves. But he didn't. There is simply NO excuss for this, and it gives the great game of hockey yet another scar it really doesn't deserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regwinguofmfan 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 What the hell are you talking about? The guy had it coming to him???? There is ABSOULTLY no excuss for this kind of action. Like it was said before, he used his stick as a weapon, PERIOD! He'll get the rest of this year, playoffs, and next year. Of course, there will be an appeal, and he'll get 10-20 games next season too. The bottom line ... Any player that uses his stick in this manner should be banned from the game, end of discussion. This is not accidential, heat of the moment, or a retaliation. Its criminal, with out a doubt. He could of got back at him, ( if he indeed had it coming) by dropping his stick and gloves. But he didn't. There is simply NO excuss for this, and it gives the great game of hockey yet another scar it really doesn't deserve. Take it easy Francis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raidedredwing2 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Ummmm baseball swing? this guy should be thrown out of the league. This isnt the 1980s anymore. i wouldnt blame him if he would have just dropped his gloves and started wailing on the guy. If they let simon play next year, someone is likely to take his head off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salviaman 104 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 He needs to be banned from the NHL forever. He deserves whatever punishment sent his way and a lifetime ban. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 A season ban sounds fair to me. Especially when the Isles make the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted March 10, 2007 There is an article on this in the Freep and there is a quote by Babcock that I cannot make sense of: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../703100385/1053 "Coach Mike Babcock called it an unfortunate situation, and downplayed any notion of deliberate harm. "I've yet to see in all my time in hockey anyone intentionally hurt somebody," Babcock said." Lining up on a guys face with a 3-2 count bases loaded swing with your stick is not "intentionally hurt(ing) someone"? What the hell am I missing here? The question is rhetorical, meaning I cannot accept any answer other than Babcock is on crack if indeed he saw that video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 (edited) If they didn't suspend BertuSHE the rest of his life they won't do it to Simon. Moore won't play the rest of his life. Hollweg got a few stitches. I don't have a link but I read an article that said Moore's injury is not all he's maiking it up to be. It seems that there are players that have gotten the same type of injury only worse, that are playing hockey. Moore wants the lawsuit more than he wants to play. Take it with a grain of salt. Edited March 10, 2007 by HOCKEY MATTERS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 what an eff'ing loser! how is this guy in the league still? it's a really bad hit but i dint think he should be banned from the NHL forever, for the rest of the season yes. I just think i was a bad enough hit to end his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogeygolfer 4 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 What the hell are you talking about? The guy had it coming to him???? There is ABSOULTLY no excuss for this kind of action. Like it was said before, he used his stick as a weapon, PERIOD! He'll get the rest of this year, playoffs, and next year. Of course, there will be an appeal, and he'll get 10-20 games next season too. The bottom line ... Any player that uses his stick in this manner should be banned from the game, end of discussion. This is not accidential, heat of the moment, or a retaliation. Its criminal, with out a doubt. He could of got back at him, ( if he indeed had it coming) by dropping his stick and gloves. But he didn't. There is simply NO excuss for this, and it gives the great game of hockey yet another scar it really doesn't deserve. Simon had it (suspended indefinately) coming way to fly off the handle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
