Fedoruk thinks "tough guys" should wear extra gloves

[Wings_Toledo 233]

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?articleid=29417...mp;service=page

Thought this article was interesting.

Not that I have anything against Fedoruk, but come on. Just because you've had your face smashed in more than a few times doesn't mean the league should go all UFC on the known fighters. Part of being a "tough guy" is being able to handle a punch to the face. I do like how he sticks up for keeping fighting in the game.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Fedoruk's concussion is worse than i thought. Someone attend to him...stat!

Well, I think its stupid but in reality im happy to hear any kind of alternative to a ban...

Edited March 23, 2007 by Lou_Siffer

[akustyk 84]

ugh... the jokes about boxing on ice would have no end then

I mean... come on...

[Vincanni 1]

Interesting idea, I'm not really for it, but would prefer it 50 times over removing fighting from the game entirely (or even stiffening the penalties for it.) One slight thing to consider though is that tough guys and athletes in general are getting on average bigger and stronger. That trend isn't going to slow down and one day someone's going to get killed out there, rather something be done beforehand rather than wait until it happens.

Of course that's just me playing the Devil's advocate with myself, honestly the number of NHL injuries that stem from fighting is nothing. Frustration hits, pre-meditated retaliation hits, and cheap shots in general are the only thing people need to ever be concearned over.

[OsGOD 3]

Oh good god... Get a stronger face Fedoruk.... if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, extra gloves my arse!

If you only want to fight, then you are in the wrong career... Boxing should be your choice. You are a hockey player, hockey should come first... fighting should be side note.

Edited March 23, 2007 by OsGOD

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Fedoruk's concussion is worse than i thought. Someone attend to him...stat!

Well, I think its stupid but in reality im happy to hear any kind of alternative to a ban...

Actually that's what I think Fedoruk is saying.

The article kind of twists his words, but if you read the direct quotes, it sounds to me more like he's saying he would rather they make a change like having the guys where gloves than remove fighting from the game altogether.

[Zetter is Better 0]

Why don`t the enforcers wear boxing gloves instead of regular gloves then? Fedoruk is probably all embarssed after getting owned a seond time and is trying to direct attention somewhere else, IMO.

[cap20066 0]

Why don`t the enforcers wear boxing gloves instead of regular gloves then? Fedoruk is probably all embarssed after getting owned a seond time and is trying to direct attention somewhere else, IMO.

There is no shame in losing to Boogaard.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

seriously, read the article people. He's mostly advocating keeping fighting in hockey.

The glove thing is that he would rather make that concession to the league rather than get rid of fighting altogether. The article kind of pumps up a throwaway comment.

"If you want to change something, do something to lessen the blow," Fedoruk said in an interview with The Canadian Press. "If it takes a three-ounce glove or something like that, that role players have to wear which would only cover the knuckle part, maybe that's something you can do. But I just don't think you can take fighting out of the game."

If they (the NHL) think too many bad things are happening to us, maybe that's a solution. But taking fighting out of the game is definitely not a solution.

"You just can't do it. It's ingrained in the roots of hockey."

"Orr came after me the other night because the game before I hammered (Jaromir) Jagr. Orr was only doing his job. And I'm more than willing to deal with it. It's my job."

Edited March 24, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Actually that's what I think Fedoruk is saying.

The article kind of twists his words, but if you read the direct quotes, it sounds to me more like he's saying he would rather they make a change like having the guys where gloves than remove fighting from the game altogether.

Agreed. Fedoruk would never campaign against fighting no matter what his outcome is.

[puckbags 863]

Note to Fedoruk... Quit stopping punches with your face

[Zetter is Better 0]

In some of the fights, not all the injuries were caused by KO punches, some or most were caused by guys hitting their head on the ice.

There is no shame in losing to Boogaard.

Boogaard got destroyed bad one time (I think it was by Laraque). But yes he is a heavy weight with a powerful punch.

[GuloGulo 0]

Enforcers are just too goddamn big for their own safety.

[bogeygolfer 4]

fedoruk was ordred by doctor to stop fighting for a while. If he didn't listen to them why should we listen to him??

[wingslogo19 281]

I was listening to coach's corner tonight, and Grapes was saying that the fighters in the early 90's and the 80's were just as big as the guys who are fighting now, or sometimes even bigger.. the exceptin was Boogs of course

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

What an idiotic idea- how would you label "fighters"?. What happens when he gets his face pounded by a guy like Iginla? I'm sure Jarome wouldn't want to wear bulky gloves under his gloves that would inhibit his ability to...PLAY THE GAME. Fedoruk should learn how to block a punch instead of using his forehead.

[sibiriak 84]

I was listening to coach's corner tonight, and Grapes was saying that the fighters in the early 90's and the 80's were just as big as the guys who are fighting now, or sometimes even bigger.. the exceptin was Boogs of course

And he is full of it, as usual. Checkthe stats for Semenko, Probert, Kocur et al. Only rarely willyoufind someone much over 6'1'' or 6'2''. Now, fighters seem to start at 6'3-6'4''.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

And he is full of it, as usual. Checkthe stats for Semenko, Probert, Kocur et al. Only rarely willyoufind someone much over 6'1'' or 6'2''. Now, fighters seem to start at 6'3-6'4''.

Both Probert and Semenko were around 6'3" and 210-225 lbs, but I agree. Overall I think fighters have gotten bigger.

What an idiotic idea- how would you label "fighters"?. What happens when he gets his face pounded by a guy like Iginla? I'm sure Jarome wouldn't want to wear bulky gloves under his gloves that would inhibit his ability to...PLAY THE GAME. Fedoruk should learn how to block a punch instead of using his forehead.

okay I give up.

does anyone actually read the article that's linked to?

(though this thread title is misleading)

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

does anyone actually read the article that's linked to?

(though this thread title is misleading)

Yes, but why should players like Iginla (if deemed a "fighter") have to wear padding under his gloves and sacrifice performance/comfort just because Fedoruk's face is an NHL regulation punching bag?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Yes, but why should players like Iginla (if deemed a "fighter") have to wear padding under his gloves and sacrifice performance/comfort just because Fedoruk's face is an NHL regulation punching bag?

Okay, can you show me a direct quote where Fedoruk thinks that all fighters should have to wear gloves?

He makes that suggestion, at best, and it's in the context of if they were to take fighting out of hockey, he would rather they require guys to wear gloves instead.

He's not saying he thinks all fighters should be required to wear gloves.

EDIT: or you can just read the quotes I pulled out a few posts back, as a Cliff's Notes version of the article.

Edited March 25, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[Icteria virens 11]

I was listening to coach's corner tonight, and Grapes was saying that the fighters in the early 90's and the 80's were just as big as the guys who are fighting now, or sometimes even bigger.. the exceptin was Boogs of course

exactly, of course players have gotten bigger over the years but there is a natural limit to it, Ivan Drago was, afterall, just a myth.

The real point is why was this article of all the hockey articles published every day on the NHL's website. Here's a great "dumb jock" quote that the soccer-mom NHL loves

"I think if fighting was banned the NHL would like what the all-star game looked like this year," he said. "Back and forth, goal after goal, nice play after nice play ... You going to watch that for 60 minutes? It gets a little boring."

[StaticWithABeat 0]

That idea is so bad it would probably give Gary Bettman wood.

[sibiriak 84]

exactly, of course players have gotten bigger over the years but there is a natural limit to it, Ivan Drago was, afterall, just a myth.

The real point is why was this article of all the hockey articles published every day on the NHL's website. Here's a great "dumb jock" quote that the soccer-mom NHL loves

"I think if fighting was banned the NHL would like what the all-star game looked like this year," he said. "Back and forth, goal after goal, nice play after nice play ... You going to watch that for 60 minutes? It gets a little boring."

What natural limit? Every next generation of people is bigger and stronger than their parents. The training methods are getting more and more efficient. The players in the NHL now are an inch taller and 10 lbs heavier on average than their predecessors 10-15 years ago. Why wouldn't the fighters follow the same trend? After all, they are selected for strength (correlated with size) more than any other attributes.

I don't think fighting should be banned. But the above quote is ridiculous. Fighting (arguably) is needed to intimidate opponents into letting your stars play freely and not be cheap-shotted, run and hooked all the time. If that is true, then elimination of fighting would lead to MORE dirty play and LESS room for the talented players to shine.

One should not confuse fighting and physical play. There are physical players, heavy hitters, and there are fighters. The two types are not necessarily the same players. Different skills are required.

[eva unit zero 271]

What an idiotic idea- how would you label "fighters"?. What happens when he gets his face pounded by a guy like Iginla? I'm sure Jarome wouldn't want to wear bulky gloves under his gloves that would inhibit his ability to...PLAY THE GAME. Fedoruk should learn how to block a punch instead of using his forehead.

Iginla shouldn't be allowed to fight anyways...I've seen him more than once get in a fight and not remove his helmet--which is generally considered a courtesy for visor wearing players. More than once this has directly resulted in his opponent cutting or otherwise injuring themselves.