When Lang leaves this summer...

[eva unit zero 271]

Except it doesn't work that way.

Some players score better per minute on a lower line. Some are the opposite. Lang is not far behind his 03-04 Washington per-minute rate this season. That was Lang's best season, so it's reasonable to assume that he tends to score more often with more ice time.

So we can extrapolate from that information that Lang has actually been better offensively, keeping in mind the difference in situation, than he was when we traded for him.

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

Some players score better per minute on a lower line. Some are the opposite. Lang is not far behind his 03-04 Washington per-minute rate this season. That was Lang's best season, so it's reasonable to assume that he tends to score more often with more ice time.

So we can extrapolate from that information that Lang has actually been better offensively, keeping in mind the difference in situation, than he was when we traded for him.

if we give him more ice time, he may have a heart attack! I see him skating on the limited time we give him, he is skating in cement. I could only imagine if we gave him more ice time, he'd be moving like a sloth

[Wings_Toledo 233]

Nevermind the calculations on why or why not Lang sucked this year, the simple fact is that it's time to give the younger guys a chance. Obviously if Babcock wanted Lang playing more minutes than he does then he would play him. There are plenty of other players out there who make the same salary as Lang and perform much better given their circumstances. We don't need him for the playoffs. If we can't score goals without Robert Lang then we're in more trouble than we thought.

[Ozzie30 170]

Nevermind the calculations on why or why not Lang sucked this year, the simple fact is that it's time to give the younger guys a chance. Obviously if Babcock wanted Lang playing more minutes than he does then he would play him. There are plenty of other players out there who make the same salary as Lang and perform much better given their circumstances. We don't need him for the playoffs. If we can't score goals without Robert Lang then we're in more trouble than we thought.

[eva unit zero 271]

Nevermind the calculations on why or why not Lang sucked this year, the simple fact is that it's time to give the younger guys a chance. Obviously if Babcock wanted Lang playing more minutes than he does then he would play him. There are plenty of other players out there who make the same salary as Lang and perform much better given their circumstances. We don't need him for the playoffs. If we can't score goals without Robert Lang then we're in more trouble than we thought.

If you've looked at my lineups for next year, you'll notice I did not include Lang. I simply think he gets far too much s*** around here given the fact he has been one of the Wings' best players every year since joining the team.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

I've got nothing against langer and i don't get to see him as much as most of you guys on here, but anytime i look on these boards all i hear about is lang sucks, langs lazy or langs in a slump. So i'll take your word for it and say that unless he takes a pay cut he's as good as gone.

[OsGOD 3]

I've got nothing against langer and i don't get to see him as much as most of you guys on here, but anytime i look on these boards all i hear about is lang sucks, langs lazy or langs in a slump. So i'll take your word for it and say that unless he takes a pay cut he's as good as gone.

Following the masses on here... not always the wisest... nor most intellegent moves. Just so you know.

Stick with your first instincts... Don't blindly follow the masses.

Edited April 2, 2007 by OsGOD

[Kp-Wings 3]

Following the masses on here... not always the wisest... nor most intellegent moves. Just so you know.

Stick with your first instincts... Don't blindly follow the masses.

In some situations...

...but in Langs case, it isn't.

[mk13 0]

Resign Dats for 4.5 with bonus for playoff performace.

Resign Tuzzi, Calder, Chelios, Schneider

Sign Selanne and Kariya, or Guerin and Zubrus

goalie Bacashihua

Dats- Zetts- Guerin Selanne- Zetts- Kariya

Zubrus- Hudler- Homer Tuzzi- Dats- Homer

Tuzzi- Draps- Calder Cleary- Draps- Calder

Sammy- Kopecky- Filpp Sammy- Kopecky Filpp

Lidstrom- Kronwall

Chelios- Quincey

Schneider- Lebda

Ozzy

Bacashihua

Howard

[Kp-Wings 3]

Resign Dats for 4.5 with bonus for playoff performace.

Resign Tuzzi, Calder, Chelios, Schneider

Sign Selanne and Kariya, or Guerin and Zubrus

goalie Bacashihua

Dats- Zetts- Guerin Selanne- Zetts- Kariya

Zubrus- Hudler- Homer Tuzzi- Dats- Homer

Tuzzi- Draps- Calder Cleary- Draps- Calder

Sammy- Kopecky- Filpp Sammy- Kopecky Filpp

Lidstrom- Kronwall

Chelios- Quincey

Schneider- Lebda

Ozzy

Bacashihua

Howard

I think you're being a tad unrealistic here. Or make that compleatly unrealistic.

This is not the pre-lockout anymore. Back then teams like Detroit, New York Rangers, Philly, etc. could spend money like that and make those types of moves. In the NHL now, that is totally unlikely.

And don't let Bacashihua's performance against us a couple of Saturdays ago fool you. He's really not that good. He could be, but isn't yet.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

Following the masses on here... not always the wisest... nor most intellegent moves. Just so you know.

Stick with your first instincts... Don't blindly follow the masses.

I only get to watch the wings every few games on nasn over here, and i must admit that the anytime i've seen lang play i've always thought that he was playing ok. But i always listen to other peoples opinion of him because they see more games than me. But if he was to stay i hope he takes a paycut.

[OsGOD 3]

In some situations...

...but in Langs case, it isn't.

I guess so... I am just glad that nobody on here is GM because some of the choices made would have been the downfall of the team.

I don't have any problem with Lang and see that his benefit becomes visable during the post season... Is that not the exact reason people ***** about Datsyuk? Not becuase he doesn't produce in the regular season (both do btw produce in the regular season anyways) but becuase Dats has been a no show in the post season. Regardless of how much Dats does in the regular season, he still gets ripped for his post season performance. So, with that said, I ask WTF does it matter what Lang does in the regular season, why all the hate? He puts up team leading numbers in the Post Season.... That's what matters.

Post season

03-04 - Lead the Team in points with nine(9)

05-06 - Tied for 2nd (with Zetterberg mind you) for team scoring in the playoffs.

06-07 - TBD

Seems to be pretty beneficial to me there. But alas, what the hell, lets get rid of him!!!!

[mk13 0]

I think you're being a tad unrealistic here. Or make that compleatly unrealistic.

This is not the pre-lockout anymore. Back then teams like Detroit, New York Rangers, Philly, etc. could spend money like that and make those types of moves. In the NHL now, that is totally unlikely.

And don't let Bacashihua's performance against us a couple of Saturdays ago fool you. He's really not that good. He could be, but isn't yet.

Guein and Zubrus could get them both....

That was a goal on Bacashihua, i know still think he's a good goalie faces a s***load of shots and if was on a team with D like our could be great

[HomeNugget 2]

I guess so... I am just glad that nobody on here is GM because some of the choices made would have been the downfall of the team.

I don't have any problem with Lang and see that his benefit becomes visable during the post season... Is that not the exact reason people ***** about Datsyuk? Not becuase he doesn't produce in the regular season (both do btw produce in the regular season anyways) but becuase Dats has been a no show in the post season. Regardless of how much Dats does in the regular season, he still gets ripped for his post season performance. So, with that said, I ask WTF does it matter what Lang does in the regular season, why all the hate? He puts up team leading numbers in the Post Season.... That's what matters.

Post season

03-04 - Lead the Team in points with nine(9)

05-06 - Tied for 2nd (with Zetterberg mind you) for team scoring in the playoffs.

06-07 - TBD

Seems to be pretty beneficial to me there. But alas, what the hell, lets get rid of him!!!!

i always wonder about this myself. lang is one of our best playoff performers but no one likes how he plays in the regular season. its the opposite for datsyuk. after our run last year everyone was bitching about datsyuk. but now, based on how well datsyuk's regular season has been, everyone is ready to resign him, and they want to get the money for it by letting one of our best playoff guys walk. i can't figure these people out.

[TheLegend19 1]

Peter Forsberg

*dodges tomatoes and shot all at same time*

:battle:

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I don't want Bobby Lang to leave.

I still have faith in the guy as he is one hell of a player..when HE wants to be. Just be that player again, Langer!!!!

Next week shall say it all.

[Draper_Rocks#33 4]

Lang reminds me of Whitney when he was here...putting up solid numbers before he came to detroit then kinda slowing down...smae with lang

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

I think Datsyuk will stay, and getting rid of Lang will held fund the Datsyuk deal. Datsyuk will come around this year in the playoffs. I believe we will be looking for a new goalie, and a couple guys on defense. Osgood and hasek are old news. Same as lilja.

Osgood will be a Wing for at least one more year, he is signed through next season. That is unless he is traded.

Lang isn't lazy. Lang isn't unmotivated. If you goto a game, watch him. He is smart. No he isn't the same player that he was in Washington, or Pittsburg, but he is magic with the puck. That being said, I don't think he is worth resigning. I also don't think Flip is ready to jump up to 15-20 minutes a night. I think we should try to attain a second tier FA, a scoring winger. We are deep enough at center.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Actually, I think he was like that in Washington. His point totals were so good because he was playing with guys like Jagr, Bondra, Nylander, Gonchar, etc. No offense to Calder and Hudler, but there is a production difference in these players. When Lang played with all those superstar players, he scored points mostly based off of their play, or something like that. I guess just playing with all-star talent just made him look good.

What I'm basically implying here is that Lang is not a very good player, and we can all see that. He takes lazy penalties, and has been amid in scoring slumps all year. If he doesn't want to work, than tough s*** is all I have to say. It really frustrates me watching him anymore.

OK all you Lang haters. Do you not watch the playoffs. In 2006 he had 6 points in 6 games (same as Z) and in 2004 he had 9 points in 12 games. And those were horrible years for the wings in the playoffs. So you say he's not very good. 16 points in 18 games sounds pretty good to me. It's all about the playoffs.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

OK all you Lang haters. Do you not watch the playoffs. In 2006 he had 6 points in 6 games (same as Z) and in 2004 he had 9 points in 12 games. And those were horrible years for the wings in the playoffs. So you say he's not very good. 16 points in 18 games sounds pretty good to me. It's all about the playoffs.

If he does well this playoffs , Talk to me then , dont dwell on the past when we were knocked out buy teams worse then us.

[OsGOD 3]

If he does well this playoffs , Talk to me then , dont dwell on the past when we were knocked out buy teams worse then us.

Are you going to Hold Zetterberg to this same standard when his contract comes up? As since joining the team Lang has out performed Zeta in one of his playoff appearances and tied him in the other..... Seems odd that Zeta would get a free pass while Lang gets put through the grinder. I highly doubt you would let Zeta go after a subpar playoffs (not that lang has under performed in the playoffs comparably thusfar)

Edited April 2, 2007 by OsGOD

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Are you going to Hold Zetterberg to this same standard when his contract comes up? As since joining the team Lang has out performed Zeta in one of his playoff appearances and tied him in the other..... Seems odd that Zeta would get a free pass while Lang gets put through the grinder. I highly doubt you would let Zeta go after a subpar playoffs (not that lang has under performed in the playoffs comparably thusfar)

Probably , I like how Lang always shows up , but It'd be better if we could celebrate his playoff production instead of watching the second round without us in it. Im not saying I dont want to re-sign Lang , but I'd liek to see how he does this year before I'm pro signing Lang or Con. Thats all.

Edited April 2, 2007 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[OsGOD 3]

Probably , I like how Lang always shows up , but It'd be better if we could celebrate his playoff production instead of watching the second round without us in it. Im not saying I dont want to re-sign Lang , but I'd liek to see how he does this year before I'm pro signing Lang or Con. Thats all.

I hear what you are saying...

I guess my question is more for everyone as well. Mr. Zetterberg has yet to find ANY success in the playoffs either... Does that mean HE should not be re-signed? I mean, so far him being in the playoffs, he produces LESS than Lang and yet Lang is the one being called out for

But of course Zeta should be re-signed as well as Lang... Why get rid of our only bright spots in the most recent post-seasons?

[Earthhuman 8]

If he does well this playoffs , Talk to me then , dont dwell on the past when we were knocked out buy teams worse then us.

The better team is the winner. Edmonton was better then us.

I guess my question is more for everyone as well. Mr. Zetterberg has yet to find ANY success in the playoffs either...

Point per game ain't so bad.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

We pick up Lang's leftover cheeseburgers.

Seriously, I'm neutral on Lang and see both sides.

He's one of the few who's produced when it has counted last two seasons, and maybe the lightbulb will go on in his brain and he'll be able to do it again.

He is frustrating to watch though, I won't go into detail as this subject has been beaten to death with a 2 x 4 at least 6 or 700 times.

Unless he just plays out of this world in the playoffs, I think he'll have to take a pay cut if he wants to remain with the Wings. If that's the case, I wouldn't mind seeing him back, though it won't destroy me if he's gone next season either.