Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 3 years for 4.5 million is a reasonable contract. This one is Yashin , Dipeiatro type contracts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 Sweet jebus in holytown, that's a ton of money for a ton of years. I sure hope that cap goes on up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnoldbuck 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 First time in playoffs he was a new player. Second time, I can't remember... Third time he was hurt. This is his fourth time i want to say? If he went to another team you would be angry with the rest of the people doubt Datsyuk. He will produce in the playoffs and I believe thsi to be the year because he's had a solid run at the end of the season and that will carry over. He's been skating and shooting well so that is good. Last year he went straight into playoffs after an injury, no practice. Give him a break. Trust me ... I really want to believe that. I really want him to. I want him and Zets to be a devastating force for our team over the years to come. I think he has what it takes. But with many, (I would imagine) in a salary cap world ... $6.7 Mill is a hell of a lot. That is Luongo's salary (roughly) So Dats has to be a cornerstone and hero to us, like he is to Van. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 Sweet jebus in holytown, that's a ton of money for a ton of years. I sure hope that cap goes on up. If it goes to 50 million , decent deal. If not , Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 Sweet jebus in holytown, that's a ton of money for a ton of years. I sure hope that cap goes on up. Heeeeeey! you done it again. now i'm think Yashin all over again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 Trust me ... I really want to believe that. I really want him to. I want him and Zets to be a devastating force for our team over the years to come. I think he has what it takes. But with many, (I would imagine) in a salary cap world ... $6.7 Mill is a hell of a lot. That is Luongo's salary (roughly) So Dats has to be a cornerstone and hero to us, like he is to Van. Thats Luongos salary ?? That puts a different perspective on it. Datsyuk is no Luongo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 It totals to $46.9M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 I like Dats, but now its time to prove yourself by showing up come playoff time.. And at least this wasn't a 15 year deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) First time in playoffs he was a new player. Second time, I can't remember... Third time he was hurt. This is his fourth time i want to say? If he went to another team you would be angry with the rest of the people doubt Datsyuk. He will produce in the playoffs and I believe thsi to be the year because he's had a solid run at the end of the season and that will carry over. He's been skating and shooting well so that is good. Last year he went straight into playoffs after an injury, no practice. Give him a break. maybe you blocked it out. He played four games and recorded no goals and no assists and was -3. and you forgot a year. The year after that he averaged a half an assist a game over 12 games, and no goals. And he was perfectly healthy. Last year was when he was hurt. He had 3 assists in 5 games and 0 goals. That was his fourth time in the postseason. This will be his fifth. Edited April 6, 2007 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 I like Dats, but now its time to prove yourself by showing up come playoff time.. And at least this wasn't a 15 year deal Same thing. 7 years is almost half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 I wonder how the deal is structured (I'm guessing it's not 6.7 million next year), because if Jimmy Howard doesn't work out, the Wings are gonna have to find themselves a starting goaltender. Plus Lidstrom's salary, plus if they try to keep Bert. That's a big chunk of change for the next few seasons. Plus the long term deal they have with Kronwall, who has continued to have untimely injuries and may need to be replaced. I'm hoping the bulk of it is pushed towards the back end. From the cap standpoint, it doesn't matter because the average salary over the whole contract counts as a cap hit. And if Kronwall is injured, his salary doesn't count against the cap, as londg as he is on the LTI list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 From the cap standpoint, it doesn't matter because the average salary over the whole contract counts as a cap hit. And if Kronwall is injured, his salary doesn't count against the cap, as londg as he is on the LTI list. that's what I thought. But when I look at stuff on nhlnumbers.com, I can never quite figure out how they arrive at the actual cap hit for some of these guys. It doesn't always seem to be the average salary. this damn cba requires too much thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 this stupid signing is gonna cost us with our future players , cause when guys like filppula and hudler , and if grigorenko ends up being the good player we hope were gonna have to lose 1 or maybe 2 thanks to holland's brilliance , dont forget jimmy howard and jakub kindl ........its just a matter of time before ken holland is fired and we'll be the next tampa bay lightning , just struggling to get in the playoffs Thanks for painting that picture for us. All I have to say on this deal, is please please please produce in the playoffs..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1fan19 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 CBC cbc says that it is for 46.9 million which would make it 6.7 million a year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 From the cap standpoint, it doesn't matter because the average salary over the whole contract counts as a cap hit. And if Kronwall is injured, his salary doesn't count against the cap, as londg as he is on the LTI list. The would still have to pay to bring in a D-man to replace Kronwall. If he were ever healthy enough to play to his potential, he would be a bargain considering the premium defenseman seem to go for. So that's bad news in terms of the cap next year. They'll take big cap hits for Lids and Datsyuk. It will definitely effect re-signing Bert if they choose too. And as I mentioned, then there's the goaltending situation. I'm not sure Hasek is good for another year. So we're looking at Ozzy as the starter unless they go out and bring in someone new, and I don't see how they have the money for that. The clearest representation to me of this deal is that Datsyuk is now making the same money as Luongo. And he's just not the MVP of the team the way Luongo is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 The would still have to pay to bring in a D-man to replace Kronwall. If he were ever healthy enough to play to his potential, he would be a bargain considering the premium defenseman seem to go for. So that's bad news in terms of the cap next year. They'll take big cap hits for Lids and Datsyuk. It will definitely effect re-signing Bert if they choose too. And as I mentioned, then there's the goaltending situation. I'm not sure Hasek is good for another year. So we're looking at Ozzy as the starter unless they go out and bring in someone new, and I don't see how they have the money for that. The clearest representation to me of this deal is that Datsyuk is now making the same money as Luongo. And he's just not the MVP of the team the way Luongo is. Exactly , IMO He isnt worth Luongo Money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 that's what I thought. But when I look at stuff on nhlnumbers.com, I can never quite figure out how they arrive at the actual cap hit for some of these guys. It doesn't always seem to be the average salary. this damn cba requires too much thinking. That is probably because at nhlnumbers.com you are only looking at the remaining years of a contract,not allof them. If the contract is backloaded, the cap hit would be less than the average of the remaining years. Or, in Jagr's case, only half of his salary counts because Washington is paying the other half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GuloGulo 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 What Luongo has got absolutely nothing to do with anything. Throw out a random player's salary to prove a point? Ok. Brad Richards... 8M. Not even the 2nd best player on his team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 I really dislike the timing of this deal. Many in the "pro-Datsyuk" crowd suggested that we sign Pavel before the playoffs, because a good post-season from him would drive his price on the free agent market up too high. But regardless of how good of a playffs Datsyuk has this year, I can't possibly imagine him getting more than this from another team. I like Datsyuk and I think he's played great this season. I know Detroit is truly where he wants to play, and I'm glad to see he's coming back. But I just cannot wrap my head around this deal. Usually when players sign for such a long period of time, the amount of money they make per season is a little lower than what it would be had they signed a shorter contract. That definitely didn't happen in this case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Systemfel 33 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Are you ******* kidding me? Another seven years of playoff no-shows? Sure, there's no guarantee he chokes again and again, but this is too much money IMO. Edited April 6, 2007 by Systemfel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chase 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 Wow this is NUTS. Hopefully this deal pays off... We better get at least another 3 cups during his 7 year deal... lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pskov Wings Fan 71 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 3 years for 4.5 million is a reasonable contract. This one is Yashin , Dipeiatro type contracts The problem with such contract would be that Datsyuk would not sign it. 10 years for 1 million would have been even better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A.T.Hun 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) I really dislike the timing of this deal. Many in the "pro-Datsyuk" crowd suggested that we sign Pavel before the playoffs, because a good post-season from him would drive his price on the free agent market up too high. But regardless of how good of a playffs Datsyuk has this year, I can't possibly imagine him getting more than this from another team. It would not have surprised me in the least to see Washington offer him a max deal in the offseason. If the cap keeps going up the way it has (and I can't imagine that the T.V. deals would actually get worse over time), this could be a good deal by the end of the contract. I share the concern that many had about the playoffs. The proof will be in the pudding. I figured that they'd need to go at least to $6 million per. I wish it would have been closer to that amount. I'll say this, there can be no doubt that Pasha's been our best player since Hank went down. I think the comparison to Yashin is totally unfair. Pavel is not the prima donna and locker room cancer that Yashin is. The comment about 3 years for $4.5 million--I hope you meant per year. If not, I'd like to know what the color of the sky is in your world. Edited April 6, 2007 by A.T.Hun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) The would still have to pay to bring in a D-man to replace Kronwall. If he were ever healthy enough to play to his potential, he would be a bargain considering the premium defenseman seem to go for. So that's bad news in terms of the cap next year. They'll take big cap hits for Lids and Datsyuk. It will definitely effect re-signing Bert if they choose too. And as I mentioned, then there's the goaltending situation. I'm not sure Hasek is good for another year. So we're looking at Ozzy as the starter unless they go out and bring in someone new, and I don't see how they have the money for that. The clearest representation to me of this deal is that Datsyuk is now making the same money as Luongo. And he's just not the MVP of the team the way Luongo is. Datsyuk is signed for 7 years vs Luongo's 4. Luongo gets $6 mil. $6.5 mil. $7 mil. and $7.5 mil. for those 4 years. Assuming the same progression, Luongo would make $8 mil. $8.5 mil. and $9mil. for the hypothetic years 5, 6, and 7 if he signed a 7 year contract. That averages to $52.5 mil. over 7 years or $7.5 mil. per year. And that contract started last year, if it was signed today, it would have been $0.5 mil. per year higher or $8 mil. per year. So please do not compare contracts of different lengths at face value. I do agree that the Wings might need a goalie in the next 7 years, IF Howard doesn't work out. But if he does, then Osgood is more than capable of holding the fort for a year or two. And guys like Backstrom from MIN or Mason or Thibault or Niitymaki may become available as relatively cheap FAs in the foreseeable future. Edited April 6, 2007 by sibiriak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 Yikes, too much.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites