Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 If the ZDH line is broken up and the wings put Hudler with dats 30+ Second line 22. 4th line 15 , which is where he'll be and how many he'll be getting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 2002 Wings get in 21 fights. 1998 Wings get in 33 fights. 1997 Wings get in 55 fights. You may want to think about that. McCarty, Shanahan, Fischer, Avery, Lapointe, Pushor, Ward, Kocur, Grimson all the way back to Probert... Wanting the team to be tough does not equal wanting a bunch of goons. Where did this idea come from that the Wings are too "classy" to get involved with the rough stuff?? And just because I don't fall all over myself supporting every single player who's ever worn the Winged Wheel doesn't mean I'm not a true fan. I've been a Wings fan for 20+ years. Well said, once again Harold. We both think alike in this situation. I wish others would not be so blind to the lack of grit/fighting issue also, since it seems only a select few actually know it's a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 2002 Wings get in 21 fights. 1998 Wings get in 33 fights. 1997 Wings get in 55 fights. You may want to think about that. McCarty, Shanahan, Fischer, Avery, Lapointe, Pushor, Ward, Kocur, Grimson all the way back to Probert... Wanting the team to be tough does not equal wanting a bunch of goons. Where did this idea come from that the Wings are too "classy" to get involved with the rough stuff?? And just because I don't fall all over myself supporting every single player who's ever worn the Winged Wheel doesn't mean I'm not a true fan. I've been a Wings fan for 20+ years. Plus i agree with the above quote. If anything the Wings have recently become one of the teams criticised for not being physical enough during the post-season, and unless they do they won't win the playoffs for a while. However they did step up this year and came out more physical than before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Plus i agree with the above quote. If anything the Wings have recently become one of the teams criticised for not being physical enough during the post-season, and unless they do they won't win the playoffs for a while. However they did step up this year and came out more physical than before. They definitely did. I give them a lot of credit for playing bigger and grittier than they are. Eventually it catches up with you though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 I am ready to see huddles play a full season with more minutes... I just hope the 'cock is ready to let him play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tipetz22 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) . . .Cleary did , leader of all players with points in the series. Its because the rest of the team werent scoring at the rate they couldve. Hudler would not have been the difference. Sorry, for being optimistic. Players who you would not normally think off do set up in big games (ex. Cam Ward and Dewanye Roloson), IMO Hud's has the potential for those moments. *shrugs shoulders* GIVE HUD's MINUTES!!! Edited July 5, 2007 by tipetz22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Sorry, for being optimistic. Players who you would not normally think off do set up in big games (ex. Cam Ward and Dewanye Roloson), IMO Hud's has the potential for those moments. *shrugs shoulders* GIVE HUD's MINUTES!!! Lets see if he can prove me wrong! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Not really about Hudler but what do you all think of Schneider's replacement Brian Rafalski? I know he's from Michigan and so will have a passion for the team but anyone recon his ice performances will ever match Mathieu's? Rafalski has been better than Schneider for a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Rafalski will definitely put up more points, if people talking are right. I'm looking forward to see the guy in action and if he'll help our PP out--we still frigging need a finisher though.... Even if he gets 5 more minutes per game and manages Lang like numbers, the team just got a whole lot smaller for the playoffs. The only upside I guess he's he's a lot cheaper. Lang didn't really play his size anyway, so I'd say we haven't lost too much on that--some, but not too much. I know what you mean, but at the same time players like Kopecky and Sammy aren't part of the answer on size anyway either. I'd sooner dump Kopecky than Hudler, but then again I haven't watched the guy play healthy with games under his belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mickeyisms Rule! 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Wanting the team to be tough does not equal wanting a bunch of goons. Where did this idea come from that the Wings are too "classy" to get involved with the rough stuff?? Its nothing to do with being classy or anything like that. It has to do with the way that Ken Holland is building the team and not wanting to waste cap money on a guy that will score one goal but drop the gloves 50 times per season. While I agree that the team needs to have grit, the people here that are moaning about the signing of Hudler are aiming their barbs at the wrong guy. Hudler is not the guy that is signed for the grit he brings. he is signed for the scoring that he brings to the team in the limited time that he is on the ice. Throw your barbs at Ken Holland and the fact that he hasn't signed Asham yet, or that the defenseman he signed to replace Schneider is smaller than Schneider is and has even less grit. Burke is rebuilding the Flyers of old. More power to him. But we need to remember that there is more than one road to the Cup, and the game has changed. As we can't sign all the big tough guys (they all play for Anaheim, apparently) we need to get the guys that can foil that path, and go their own path. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kindlwillbegreat 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 dont know if anyones put up hudlers official contract but here it is from sportsnet ......averages to 1.015 per year DETROIT (CP) -- The Detroit Red Wings have re-signed forward Jiri Hudler to a US$2.03-million, two-year contract. The 23-year-old Czech was a restricted free agent. He will earn $880,000 next season and $1.15 million in 2008-09. heres some nice info on hudler i found .......hes gonna go train with chelios and cleary this summer and try and get into greater shape and improve his speed Hudler will soon head to Southern California to join other NHL players, including teammates Chris Chelios and Dan Cleary, who train every summer under T.R. Goodman. "He's got to watch his diet,'' Holland said. "He's in pretty good shape, but he needs to be in fabulous shape to give himself every chance to be as quick as he can. This (season) is going to be a tremendous opportunity for him -- he's got to take advantage of it.'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 dont know if anyones put up hudlers official contract but here it is from sportsnet ......averages to 1.015 per year DETROIT (CP) -- The Detroit Red Wings have re-signed forward Jiri Hudler to a US$2.03-million, two-year contract. The 23-year-old Czech was a restricted free agent. He will earn $880,000 next season and $1.15 million in 2008-09. heres some nice info on hudler i found .......hes gonna go train with chelios and cleary this summer and try and get into greater shape and improve his speed Hudler will soon head to Southern California to join other NHL players, including teammates Chris Chelios and Dan Cleary, who train every summer under T.R. Goodman. "He's got to watch his diet,'' Holland said. "He's in pretty good shape, but he needs to be in fabulous shape to give himself every chance to be as quick as he can. This (season) is going to be a tremendous opportunity for him -- he's got to take advantage of it.'' If he works out with the 2 players who are in the best shape on our team , That'd be good for him. Putting on some pounds (of muscle of course) wouldnt hurt him either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 "He's got to watch his diet,'' Holland said. "He's in pretty good shape, but he needs to be in fabulous shape to give himself every chance to be as quick as he can. This (season) is going to be a tremendous opportunity for him -- he's got to take advantage of it.'' That is all fine and dandy to say holland... but is the 'cock going to afford him the best chance at sucess or just set him up to fail as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 If he works out with the 2 players who are in the best shape on our team , That'd be good for him. Putting on some pounds (of muscle of course) wouldnt hurt him either. Yeah we don't want him to come back and be chubby like Ronaldo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Rafalski has been better than Schneider for a while. No doubt about it. Rafalski's a bona fide first-pairing defenceman. When we signed him, the guys on TSN were suggesting that we might have the best defence in the league next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 Kenny believe Huds has tremendous potential. Yesssss. we agree! http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2007/07/ho..._potential.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 No doubt about it. Rafalski's a bona fide first-pairing defenceman. When we signed him, the guys on TSN were suggesting that we might have the best defence in the league next year. Thats a pretty DUH statement by them... A team full of purely defenseman better be the best! Yay Kenny! We will be the best at something for sure Cheers Q! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) 2002 Wings get in 21 fights. 1998 Wings get in 33 fights. 1997 Wings get in 55 fights. You may want to think about that. McCarty, Shanahan, Fischer, Avery, Lapointe, Pushor, Ward, Kocur, Grimson all the way back to Probert... Wanting the team to be tough does not equal wanting a bunch of goons. Where did this idea come from that the Wings are too "classy" to get involved with the rough stuff?? And just because I don't fall all over myself supporting every single player who's ever worn the Winged Wheel doesn't mean I'm not a true fan. I've been a Wings fan for 20+ years. Don't get me wrong, I want to see a tougher Wings team too. However, look at all the players you mentioned. For the most part, those guys were all home grown. As I've mentioned in other threads, grit is a philosophy that begins and ends with your own system. Signing a free agent like Asham isn't going to have that much of an effect. The foundation for a gritty, bruising team has to come from within. Edited July 6, 2007 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) Don't get me wrong, I want to see a tougher Wings team too. However, look at all the players you mentioned. For the most part, those guys were all home grown. As I've mentioned in other threads, grit is a philosophy that begins and ends with your own system. Signing a free agent like Asham isn't going to have that much of an effect. The foundation for a gritty, bruising team has to come from within. I do agree with some of your points. But to say that a player like Asham would make little difference, is just wrong. Is it gonna totally turn our team-toughness around? No. But bringing in just ONE tough guy can do wonders. Especially when we're referring to our Red Wings, who has no one protecting our superstars. If we were to just bring in one banger, it would significantly drop the amount of liberties taken against us. I could care less to lose a little offense on the fourth line, as long as we can finally get someone in the winged wheel with a badge on their chest. It would be totally worth it. Edited July 6, 2007 by DetroitIan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 Don't get me wrong, I want to see a tougher Wings team too. However, look at all the players you mentioned. For the most part, those guys were all home grown. As I've mentioned in other threads, grit is a philosophy that begins and ends with your own system. Signing a free agent like Asham isn't going to have that much of an effect. The foundation for a gritty, bruising team has to come from within. I totally agree. The last few years though, or pretty much since Holland took over actually, that philosophy is nowhere to be seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 Thats a pretty DUH statement by them... A team full of purely defenseman better be the best! Yay Kenny! We will be the best at something for sure Cheers Q! Why do you seem so bitter about Detroit having a good defence next year? Last season Anaheim was regarded as having the best D in the league, and that worked out okay for them, didn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) Why do you seem so bitter about Detroit having a good defence next year? Last season Anaheim was regarded as having the best D in the league, and that worked out okay for them, didn't it? Becuase our problems stem from lack of offense... building a better defense is just appeasing the masses who need a pickup siging in the offseason.... Bolstering our Defense while letting capable goal scorers walk is not exactly addressing our inability to put the puck in the net during crunch time. But hey I will be saying the same thing next season as well... because he continues to correct a fictious problem. While letting the real issue "scoring" fall to the wayside and be an after thought.... perhaps our D-men will help on the powerplay... they are going to have to because we still have the same PP unit which failed out there. On a side note... with the Dom in net.. I would have like to see less money placed on D and more money placed on goal scorers... I am still at a loss why we need such a huge defense when we have the best in net. Edited July 6, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 Becuase our problems stem from lack of offense... building a better defense is just appeasing the masses who need a pickup siging in the offseason.... Bolstering our Defense while letting capable goal scorers walk is not exactly addressing our inability to put the puck in the net during crunch time. But hey I will be saying the same thing next season as well... because he continues to correct a fictious problem. While letting the real issue "scoring" fall to the wayside and be an after thought.... perhaps our D-men will help on the powerplay... they are going to have to because we still have the same PP unit which failed out there. On a side note... with the Dom in net.. I would have like to see less money placed on D and more money placed on goal scorers... I am still at a loss why we need such a huge defense when we have the best in net. What goal scorers signed for reasonable amounts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 Some say they were overpaid... some say that is just the new norm for prices with a constantly increasing cap. Next year those prices will not be overpaid at all... you will see as the cap gets higher so too will next years bunch of FA salaries. The only good thing is that Holland is obviously holding out with the extra 6mill or so to pick up Sergei at the Trade Deadline... so for that I applaud his actions. Which will then alter my opinion of him addressing the "real" reason we haven't won in the post season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted July 6, 2007 Too much money for a guy who spends alot of his time in Grand Rapids imo. btw, how does the cap work with the minor system? If you sign a guy to the Wings but send him down, he still counts vs the cap. But if you sign a guy to the Griffins and bring him up, does he then start counting vs the cap? Just curious.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
