grigorenko

[Kp-Wings 3]

least he passed his physical.

What point does that prove? That unlike Greg Johnson he doesn't have a heart condition?

Passing a doctor's physical doesn't make someone in shape. Heck, guys like Lang or Alexei Yashin pass their physical's every year, and those two are probably some of the laziest and out of shape players in the league (or in Yashin's case, outside of the league).

People making arguements for Grigorenko's accident as a logical excuse to come into camp out of shape are way off base. He's played in 3 full seasons in Russia since his accident. There is absolutley no excuse as to why he came into camp unmotivated and out of shape.

I'm not expecting him to be Sergei Fedorov part two, but he's been a major disappointment so far. It would have been nice if he at least shown an effort.

Edited October 19, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[eva unit zero 271]

"IF" Grigs is outta shape like the reports says he is, and its because of the accident and not because he's lazy, then two more weeks in GR isn't really going to help, is it? He's just kinda screwed from the accident and thats that.

Grigs being out of shape had more to do with not knowing what kind of shape he needed to be in. Had the accident never occurred, Grigs would have come over in 2003 or 2004, possibly made the team right away or perhaps spent some time in the minors or an extra year in Russia. But he'd have long since been over and on the team without the accident is the point I was making.

Let's look at it another way.

Say you are a chef. You are making a special wedding cake for a friend, a type of cake you've never made. However, about halfway through the baking process, your oven stops working, and the cake is ruined. You still have the recipe, the pan and the decorations, but the actual cake is ruined. So you start from scratch putting a new cake together. Since you just did this, you have an idea how to do it and the process goes much quicker, but you end up having the cake finished much later than you were expecting. Because you threw it together hastily so that it would get finished, it's not quite as perfect as you wanted, but it's baked and ready. Understand my point?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Grigs being out of shape had more to do with not knowing what kind of shape he needed to be in. Had the accident never occurred, Grigs would have come over in 2003 or 2004, possibly made the team right away or perhaps spent some time in the minors or an extra year in Russia. But he'd have long since been over and on the team without the accident is the point I was making.

Let's look at it another way.

Say you are a chef. You are making a special wedding cake for a friend, a type of cake you've never made. However, about halfway through the baking process, your oven stops working, and the cake is ruined. You still have the recipe, the pan and the decorations, but the actual cake is ruined. So you start from scratch putting a new cake together. Since you just did this, you have an idea how to do it and the process goes much quicker, but you end up having the cake finished much later than you were expecting. Because you threw it together hastily so that it would get finished, it's not quite as perfect as you wanted, but it's baked and ready. Understand my point?

uh, no.

But now I want cake.

[eva unit zero 271]

uh, no.

But now I want cake.

The point was that Grigorenko's accident was a huge setback that caused him to spend most of the past few years getting back where he was, and had it not happened he'd likely already be a star on the team. But he couldn't focus on being a star, because he instead had to be concerned with things like survival and then would he ever play hockey again.

[T.Low 1,011]

Grigs being out of shape had more to do with not knowing what kind of shape he needed to be in. Had the accident never occurred, Grigs would have come over in 2003 or 2004, possibly made the team right away or perhaps spent some time in the minors or an extra year in Russia. But he'd have long since been over and on the team without the accident is the point I was making.

I guess the question then becomes "is he poorly conditioned, or is he in poor condition (read as good of shape as he can be considering the accident) ?

Well, here's hoping his quest to become a Red Wing is successful. Then maybe we can learn what he went thru trying to come back from that awful accident, because I'm sure its a very inspirational story. I mean c'mon, to go through that and then come back to play a sport as demanding as hockey, and at the NHL level! Yes, very inspirational. I would like to know more details about his rehab.

Edited October 19, 2007 by T.Low

[96Homer 0]

Didn't see this posted here but I found this news on Grigs.

Wings trying to find roster spot for Grigorenko

Friday, Oct 19, 2007 11:45 am EDT

Igor Grigorenko

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With prospect Igor Grigorenko slated to return next week, the question remains where he will fit for the Detroit Red Wings

"If he can win a job, he can win a job," coach Mike Babcock said. "If he can't, he can't."

If Grigorenko, whose poor conditioning got him sent to Grand Rapids at the end of the exhibition season, doesn't win a job, he can go back to Russia, at which point general manager Ken Holland expects he'll stay there for good.

Source: Detroit Free Press

Related: Detroit Red Wings

Trying to find Grigs a roster spot

[uk_redwing 495]

Grigorenko is lazy and he sucks

[lets go pavel 2]

perhaps a very poor analogy but the point is still there. And it has nothing to do with his being vodka chugging, cuban smoking russian. (is he by the way? I see cool points if so)

He played the last three seasons of the RSL missing only 5 games in the last two.

Hell, maybe he got some bad information, but it was still a poor showing after so long.

fair enough ... i know we were all hoping he'd hop off the plane and immediately be the second coming of pavel, and it is disappointing that not only did that not happen, but there are questions about his conditioning ... that said, pavel played 5 years in russia before coming over, and even then wasn't a top line player his first year ... because of the accident, grigs has actually had less development time than that ... i just think we need to give him some time before we throw him under the bus

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

With all the injuries piling up, I wouldn't be surprised if he suits up for the Wings sometime next week.

[irishtemper14+25 11]

im tired of u guys saying all this s*** about him...lets stop saying how out of shape he is and watch him play next week

[T.Low 1,011]

im tired of u guys saying all this s*** about him...lets stop saying how out of shape he is and watch him play next week

He's out of shape

Didn't see this posted here but I found this news on Grigs.

Trying to find Grigs a roster spot

Well, due to these new revelations that have come to light, I move that he get in shape, fight for a roster spot, or he can go home to Russia if things don't work out.

Edited October 20, 2007 by T.Low

[Kp-Wings 3]

Grigorenko is lazy and he sucks

We got ourselves a winner!

If he makes the team next week, I automatically nominate him to fill the void of "lazy and sucks" player since Lang's departure. It's a hole that needs to be filled.

[T.Low 1,011]

We got ourselves a winner!

If he makes the team next week, I automatically nominate him to fill the void of "lazy and sucks" player since Lang's departure. It's a hole that needs to be filled.

WIth all this talk of asteriks in sports these days, shouldn't there be an asterik with Langs name in regards to the "Lazy and he sucks" roll? At least the dude scored some key goals for the Wings along the way, so his should read

"Lazy and he sucks*

*but sometimes scores key goals"

Can Grigs fill THAT roll is the question.

[johnnyoski 0]

Sounds like we'll soon see. They just announced during tonight's game that he'll be getting called up.

Franzen will go on the IR to make room since he's a week away from even practicing.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Why would you call him up after a win? I dont get it, He doesnt deserve to play at this point with the way he's been playing (4 games 0 points in the AHL)

[Flip-check 6]

Why would you call him up after a win? I dont get it, He doesnt deserve to play at this point with the way he's been playing (4 games 0 points in the AHL)

Would it be better to put him in after a loss? Not really.

I hope the guy has enough to justify a roster spot, but I think this call up is going to be that last night out you have before dumping someone. Only Grigs will be the one gotten rid of.

If he makes the team next week, I automatically nominate him to fill the void of "lazy and sucks" player since Lang's departure. It's a hole that needs to be filled.

Just saw this: No, it doesn't.

The 'pick a whipping boy' mentality around here is lazy and, to be honest, boring as f***. No, we don't need any roles of that kind to be filled.

I know you're half-kidding Kp, but the forum doesn't need any encouragement on singling out a player to hate on irrationally and excessively. It's seriously gotten old and I'm not the only one who recognizes this.

[spydrwebb 0]

I'm not sure if this belongs in the "Griffins" thread or here since the specific topic of conversation is Grigs...

I just want to assure all of you of a few things.

the Griffins finally played their home opener last night in what proved to be a completely uneventful game, and

in most cases a serious embarrassment against the newly added rockford icehogs.

i wouldn't dare view my observations as a political call to action but here's what i saw, realizing it was only one game...

Grigs was the slowest player on the ice, and the next fastest was hands down quicker. he played out of position and

made errant passes the entire game. he had two golden opportunities to score just above the crease and lost his blade

both times, followed by a blank stare at the ref for not calling a penalty (when nobody touched him).

i want to believe that Grigs has what it takes to persevere and return to an NHL skill-set following the horrific accident

he suffered years ago... i really do, but the fact is he still has a LOT of work to do. i commend him for making it back to

the game as quick as he did but my empathy for his situation isn't enough for me to falsely accuse him of being the great

player he once was... he just isn't.

i haven't by any means thrown in the towel, especially not after one game. my point is that even if he had an off night,

considering the accolades that have surrounded this guy for years, he would have at least looked better than the

opponents weakest link... and he did not.

[Coyote0106 2]

^^ Great post. That summed up what I saw perfectly.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Just saw this: No, it doesn't.

The 'pick a whipping boy' mentality around here is lazy and, to be honest, boring as f***. No, we don't need any roles of that kind to be filled.

I know you're half-kidding Kp, but the forum doesn't need any encouragement on singling out a player to hate on irrationally and excessively. It's seriously gotten old and I'm not the only one who recognizes this.

Don't direct your tirade at me. It was clearly just a joke.

There are plenty other people around here who search the beaches with metal detectors to find a new whipping boy. Save the speech for them.

[Flip-check 6]

Don't direct your tirade at me. It was clearly just a joke.

It was a joke, sure, but it's one that has lost its ability to be funny.

Just like jokes about how black people "sure like their watermelons and chicken ". The two are obviously on different levels, but they're both boring and repetitive.

[Grittzkey 1]

Hudler-Grigs-Kronner

for

Doan - Late Round Pick.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I wouldnt mind that actually, but we'd have to sign Markov to make up for Kronwall leaving.

[Grittzkey 1]

I wouldnt mind that actually, but we'd have to sign Markov to make up for Kronwall leaving.

Quincey or Meech

Kronner hasnt done nothing to show me that he is better then either.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Hudler-Grigs-Kronner

for

Doan - Late Round Pick.

Kronwall's trade value is not what alot of people seem to think it is right now. Keep in mind, he's been injured alot so thats an automatic red flag when you're talking about a team giving up there franchise player in Doan. Not to mention he's yet to prove he's worth 3 million dollars a year. Im not knocking him, I like Kronwall, but at this point its a fact. Hudler's value is modest, and i cant see them being all that interested in Grigorenko. So with that being said, Phoenix would pass on that. They could do better.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Where has all this 'trade for Doan' hype come from? Are there any actual reports that say he wants to leave Phoenix, possibly for Detroit, or is this just a pipe dream that started up at the forums