Izzy24 44 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 I'm not saying that Lang wasn't lazy, because he was, but as far as Hudler is concerned, he played better with Lang because they had some kind of chemistry on and off the ice. But you can use this as a compliment to Lang if you choose to. I choose to. Here's the simple solution: trade Hudler to Chicago for Toews, everyone wins! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 IMHO, for a guy playing in only his second NHL season I think he is doing decent. Is he stellar, no but no one thought he was the second coming of Gretzky. Give the kid a chance he is playing with new line mates, seeing more time, more responsibilities. Have some patience, you need guys like him on your team, he is talented and costs the team very little. If you want a team full of Crosby's, Ovechkin's, and Healtey's crank up the XBOX 360 because that is the only way in todays NHL you will get a roster like that. You guys are calling for the heads of guys who are scoring and doing their job very well (remember other than the Lids, Ralf, Dats, Z, Homer you are looking at a bunch of role players) yet when Downey does his job and gets in a fight half of you soil your shorts. Well what is the difference between Downey getting into 4-8 fights a year and Hudler scoring 10-15 goals a year, that is easy your expectations. This kid will not score 35-40 goals this year or get 100 points. He will be a solid secondary scoring option, and maybe just maybe if the team keeps winning (after all with this "BUM" in the lineup that is what 6 straight now) and Babs doesn't split the lines up, Huds, Flip, and Sammy could be a decent second line once they get soem chemistry. The season isn't even a month old, give these guys time to jell, if in a month they haven't started producing then you can start to worry. As it is right now the team is playing well, and these guys will get better, if not they will sit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lnvincible Report post Posted October 31, 2007 "is what I think of Hudler... Trade him for Fedorov right frick'n now!" I miss fedorov he should be playing with Detroit still As well as shanny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 "is what I think of Hudler... Trade him for Fedorov right frick'n now!" I miss fedorov he should be playing with Detroit still As well as shanny. get with the program Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 "is what I think of Hudler... Trade him for Fedorov right frick'n now!" I miss fedorov he should be playing with Detroit still As well as shanny. Lets play a game shall we: The game is called whose stats are these, your options are Feds and Huds: 1. 13 Gp 1a. 10 GP 2. 3G 2a. 2G 3. 1A 3a. 1A 4. -3 4a +2 5. 2pim 5a 4pim 6. 18 SOG 6a. 20 SOG Point: Feds is an aging veteran who is not what he once was, Huds is a youngster developing his game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 Lets play a game shall we: The game is called whose stats are these, your options are Feds and Huds: 1. 13 Gp Huds 1a. 10 GP feds 2. 3G feds 2a. 2G Huds 3. 1A feds 3a. 1A Huds 4. -3 feds 4a +2 Huds 5. 2pim Huds 5a 4pim feds 6. 18 SOG Huds 6a. 20 SOG feds Point: Feds is an aging veteran who is not what he once was, Huds is a youngster developing his game. For you f.Michael I answered the question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 Nice Goal. It was very impressive! With that said, I hope it increases his trade bait. I'd love to see Holland trade him off towards an impact player. I am not impressed with huds overall play and skating. and I very much dislike how he gets pushed around against bigger and gritty teams... if babs decides to play. Otherwise he's just a bench warmer. again, nice goal. I hope it increases his trade bait! Detroit is just about the only team Hudler has a shot on. Going through possibilities of who might want him, we have Pittsburg, who is loaded in offensive forwards; Toronto, who plays too physically; Buffalo, who is overall too fast; Florida- too gritty; Minnesota, again too fast; Dallas, who is too defensive-minded; Finally, there's Phoenix... ans Detroit would not doom him there. Too classy. Detroit, on the other hand, utilizes skilled players, is not very fast, and has a scoring line position open for him. Nobody wants him but Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Lets play a game shall we: The game is called whose stats are these, your options are Feds and Huds: 1. 13 Gp 1a. 10 GP 2. 3G 2a. 2G 3. 1A 3a. 1A 4. -3 4a +2 5. 2pim 5a 4pim 6. 18 SOG 6a. 20 SOG Point: Feds is an aging veteran who is not what he once was, Huds is a youngster developing his game. ...point: Feds currently plays on one of the worst teams in the league! So those stats mean crap! How the fusk can you compare Hudler :puke: to Fedorov? Fedorov @38 years old is better than ANYONE on the #2, 3 or 4 lines. I'd even put him over Holmstrom & Datsyuk! ...I'll give Hulder :puke: credit to be no better than Stacy Roest or Jason Williams (both of whom had GOOD stats while in Detroit. BECAUSE THEY PLAYED FOR A WINNING FRANCHISE! Hudler :puke: SUCKS!!!!!!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Copenhagen848 58 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Here ya go, bro. http://www.nhl.tv/team/console?hlg=20072008,2,159 Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Detroit is just about the only team Hudler has a shot on. Going through possibilities of who might want him, we have Pittsburg, who is loaded in offensive forwards; Toronto, who plays too physically; Buffalo, who is overall too fast; Florida- too gritty; Minnesota, again too fast; Dallas, who is too defensive-minded; Finally, there's Phoenix... ans Detroit would not doom him there. Too classy. Detroit, on the other hand, utilizes skilled players, is not very fast, and has a scoring line position open for him. Nobody wants him but Detroit. Florida, Minnesota and Phoenix would probably take him. Yes, yes they would trade him to Phoenix, class has nothing to do with it, they shipped Willy off to Chicago, that wasent very classy by that standard. But they still did it. I doubt Detroit even wants Hudler on there team that much.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 :puke: is what I think of Hudler... Trade him for Fedorov right frick'n now! Besides your weird love-obsession with Fedorov and hate-obsession with Hudler, why should this trade happen? And you have to provide some other reasons beside variations of "Fedorov is destined to become a Red Wing and have his number retired again" or because "Hudler sucks", because that only satisfies your wants/needs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Besides your weird love-obsession with Fedorov and hate-obsession with Hudler, why should this trade happen? And you have to provide some other reasons beside variations of "Fedorov is destined to become a Red Wing and have his number retired again" or because "Hudler sucks", because that only satisfies your wants/needs. I wouldn't recommend holding your breath. Some people don't understand role players and expect every wings team to be like the 2002 roster. Eventually fans will get used to the new era of salary cap and realize that the price tag of a player and the output you get from them need to be looked at carefully. OH and BTW left winger look at your stats and standings again, Feds does not play for one of the worst teams in the league he plays for the second place team in the central a 7-3-1 team that makes them 5th overall in the league. So I think comparing Huds and Feds works out pretty well, but I didn't expect you to research your post, just babble on with you man love for feds. I should have known better!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 1, 2007 ...point: Feds currently plays on one of the worst teams in the league! So those stats mean crap! How the fusk can you compare Hudler :puke: to Fedorov? Fedorov @38 years old is better than ANYONE on the #2, 3 or 4 lines. I'd even put him over Holmstrom & Datsyuk! ...I'll give Hulder :puke: credit to be no better than Stacy Roest or Jason Williams (both of whom had GOOD stats while in Detroit. BECAUSE THEY PLAYED FOR A WINNING FRANCHISE! Hudler :puke: SUCKS!!!!!!) Not to burst your bubble there chief, but I think you need to check up on your knowledge of other teams. I guess your claims that the BlueJackets are "one of the worst teams in the league" are probably based on the past as you obviously don't know what's going on over there today. Here, let me clue you in. Jackets are 2nd in the Central behind detroit at 7-3-1. There 15 points are tied for 3rd best in the Western Conference and 5th best overall in the entire NHL. Their goalie, Pascal Leclair leads the NHL in goals against average and shutouts and is 2nd in save percentage behind Tim Thomas but Thomas has played 2 fewer games. Nash is playing great hockey now. Zherdev and Novotny are playing well. Mike Peca has been very good for them. And the rest of their roster is practically no-names. And yes, Fedorov is stuck there playing with players not nearly as good as in Detroit. However, the BlueJackets are playijng fantastic hockey and winning games and Fedorov has not really been a major contributor for them even with good ice time and decent linemates. The Jackets are a different team and it has everything to do with Ken Hitchcock and players like Peca, Chimera and Malhotra who rely less on skill and more on determined, hard work which is the makeup of any good Hitchcock team. Do yourself a favor and pick up a freaking newspaper sometime and get up to speed. I don't want to have to keep informing you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 I wouldn't recommend holding your breath. Some people don't understand role players and expect every wings team to be like the 2002 roster. Eventually fans will get used to the new era of salary cap and realize that the price tag of a player and the output you get from them need to be looked at carefully. OH and BTW left winger look at your stats and standings again, Feds does not play for one of the worst teams in the league he plays for the second place team in the central a 7-3-1 team that makes them 5th overall in the league. So I think comparing Huds and Feds works out pretty well, but I didn't expect you to research your post, just babble on with you man love for feds. I should have known better!! Agreed for the most part, but I'd definately take Fedorov over Hudler now, problem is that Hudler potentially has many years left while Fedorov does not. Even if their stats are comparable, everyone knows that Fedorov brings much more to the table than offensive stats. Does Hudler? Is Hudler really a role player? If so, what's his role? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Hudler and Filppula are definately starting to get rolling and I'm still glad as hell to be rid of Lang, I'd much rather have two developing young stars who are both defensively responsible. I like that Huds and Flip are playing together this season so far, they are starting to get rolling, with Filppula starting to regain his level of play from last post season. Hudler doesn't need Lang, and the idea is a bit ridiculus. Hudler is better off developing chemistry with someone like Filppula, as their line develops confidence together you can already see them start to produce plenty, which is saying alot on a team with a productive line like DZH. Much rather see Hudler develop his game on a line with a young guy like Flip who is probably our third best player on the boards, behind Dats and Hank, as opposed to Lang's Dump and wait at the Blueline for someone else to get it style of play. As far as Hudler not being a playmaker in his own right, I have to disagree. I believe already this year we have seen both Hudler and Filppula make great individual plays. But like Peanut butter and chocolate, sometimes whats good on its own can be even better together AKA "You got your Flip in my Rex; You got your Huds in my Val" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Why would we trade for Fedorov when we can just pick him up at the deadline?? I say let's have both *is optimistic* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Hudler's role is to provide secondary scoring. He isn't a top 6 forward he is a 6-9 forward. However on this wings team he is being asked to play top 6 minutes. 13 games in he appears to be getting more comfortable with Flip and the seem to be gathering some chemistry. Again I am going on what I have read here and on sites like Yahoo, ESPN, NHL. Feds is an aging veteran who is not what he used to be. Huds has a better +/-, in more games played. So what exactly is it that Feds does better than Jiri. Is he really that good of a defender still? He isn't a leader, Ana and Det will tell you that. His scoring touch isn't what it used to be and neither are his wheels. He is 38, hey wait that is the same age as Dallas Drake, that some of you on here think is too old. If Drake is too old to do his job and play his type of game why would Sergei still be able to do his? Feds = Too old, not what he used to be, I would rather see the young guys get a chance. Forsberg= Too often injured I don't trust him, I wouldn't freak out if they got him just not my first choice. Hossa = I can only hope that at the deadline ATL is no where near the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingNutt 12 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 (edited) Good Duscussion guys, but how the H. E. double hockey sticks did the Hudler goal thread turn into a who could we trade him too, and is Fedorov or Hudler better?? I just wanted to show that Hudler, who may be small and slow, works his ass off and plays hard every night. Got a beautiful goal and is learning from our elite players and growing into a better offensive minded player. Comparing him to Fedorov is just silly, Feds is one of the best players to ever play the game, and all you veterans can think otherwise, yes he may have not left on great terms but come on give the guy credit where credit is due. Anyways can we move the discussion back over to the topic at hand. Edited November 1, 2007 by WingNutt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Hudler's role is to provide secondary scoring. He isn't a top 6 forward he is a 6-9 forward. However on this wings team he is being asked to play top 6 minutes. 13 games in he appears to be getting more comfortable with Flip and the seem to be gathering some chemistry. Again I am going on what I have read here and on sites like Yahoo, ESPN, NHL. Feds is an aging veteran who is not what he used to be. Huds has a better +/-, in more games played. So what exactly is it that Feds does better than Jiri. Is he really that good of a defender still? He isn't a leader, Ana and Det will tell you that. His scoring touch isn't what it used to be and neither are his wheels. He is 38, hey wait that is the same age as Dallas Drake, that some of you on here think is too old. If Drake is too old to do his job and play his type of game why would Sergei still be able to do his? Feds = Too old, not what he used to be, I would rather see the young guys get a chance. Forsberg= Too often injured I don't trust him, I wouldn't freak out if they got him just not my first choice. Hossa = I can only hope that at the deadline ATL is no where near the playoffs. Agreed. I blame the management for not going after a top 6 forward this offseason, and instead putting Hudler in that spot, when he's clearly out of his league. I don't know about Hossa, though, because the price might be too high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Hudler's role is to provide secondary scoring. He isn't a top 6 forward he is a 6-9 forward. However on this wings team he is being asked to play top 6 minutes. 13 games in he appears to be getting more comfortable with Flip and the seem to be gathering some chemistry. Again I am going on what I have read here and on sites like Yahoo, ESPN, NHL. Feds is an aging veteran who is not what he used to be. Huds has a better +/-, in more games played. So what exactly is it that Feds does better than Jiri. Is he really that good of a defender still? He isn't a leader, Ana and Det will tell you that. His scoring touch isn't what it used to be and neither are his wheels. He is 38, hey wait that is the same age as Dallas Drake, that some of you on here think is too old. If Drake is too old to do his job and play his type of game why would Sergei still be able to do his? Feds = Too old, not what he used to be, I would rather see the young guys get a chance. Forsberg= Too often injured I don't trust him, I wouldn't freak out if they got him just not my first choice. Hossa = I can only hope that at the deadline ATL is no where near the playoffs. Just think if he was a 6'9" forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut40 176 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 I liked Fil's goal bettter. Concidering there was pressure to win in regulation and he still managed to score a great goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites