what would it take to get vinny lecavalier?

[Winged Scooter 0]

This thread is still alive? Outstanding!!

How about we trade Draper and Maltby to Tampa for St.Louis and Lecavlier ( I don't know why I didn't think of that sooner, I am genius! ).

PS- Izzy do you have a link or web site where I can order an FSU hockey jersey from? Thanks!

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

I think we're all overlooking the major difference in the two vastly different systems and styles between the Wings and Lightning. Vinny would do well here, but 50 goal 100 points? I'd also bet that Datsyuk would get quite a few more points playing in Tampa's system.

Anyways, I am a little shocked to see how willing we are to trade away our star russian (who has lead our team in scoring for 3 straight seasons) so easily... Why should star Russian's be loyal to us if we're not loyal to them? hmmm lol. Perhaps I was wrong about Federov.

[RedWingedKitten 9]

I would not trade Dats away for Vinny. If Z gets all his awesomeness from Dats, then how will Z be awesome? Ultimitly if you trade Dats for Vinny, you are trading away all of Zs points to. (ok... some of his points)

[The_Cub 0]

Like someone else pointed out Vinny isn't going anywhere.

Hypothetically speaking I would move Datsyuk for Vinny, but not Z.

[Rob the Badger 0]

I don't see Vinny going anywhere. If the Lightning have their way, he'll be their Steve Yzerman. He'll start with the Lightning and stay with the Lightning and one day they'll retire his jersey, the only jersey he ever wore... no matter how weird lookin' that jersey was.

[TheBadOne 0]

Man, I always ALWAYS come late to the good threads! Consarnit!

(I love how that one dude called people idiots in posts that have 2,534 grammatical errors. Classic!)

Lecavalier to the Wings.... hmmm... you know, I wouldn't trade anyone for him and would just wait for Free Agency to come about. I would possibly consider Datsyuk for Lecavalier, but he works so well with The Talented Mr. Zettterberg. I wouldn't trade Zetterberg to the anyone, not even to the Penguins for Crosby, Malkin, and Staal. Not to diminish what the previous three aforementioned players can do, but Zetterberg's arguably the best player in the league this season and a testament to the best management group in hockey.

Oh, and this team can win the Stanley Cup. Whether or not they will is entirely up to them. Should they not succeed in doing so, I view that as a personal problem amongst the team as opposed to a lack of talent.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Do you think the Pens would give up Crosby if we gave them Hudler and some picks?

[Izzy24 44]

PS- Izzy do you have a link or web site where I can order an FSU hockey jersey from? Thanks!

Sorry, no. There were several places that had them in the past (icejerseys.com, FSU bookstore's website, uscho.com), but don't anymore. Your best bet is probably eBay, I bought a "Ferris State Hockey Skills Center" jersey from someone for $5 a couple of years ago. I believe it's a youth large, and fits me like the new NHL jerseys, but serves its purpose for drop-in hockey.

[Systemfel 33]

Hmm not quite so sure on that...The way Hank is playing it would be an even trade IMO.

Who cares, Tampa isn't going to trade Vinny. This isn't a video game where you can go "how much would it take?" and get a player.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Do you think the Pens would give up Crosby if we gave them Hudler and some picks?

You never know, they once traded Markus Naslund for Alek Stojanov.

[Guest RedWingsFever]

I wouldn't trade Zetterberg for anyone other than Crosby himself.

I dunno. I may not even take that trade. Cause Zetterberg adds amazing defense with his amazing offense. Crosby has yet to develope the defensive game that Hank has. So right now, IMO Zetterberg > Crosby.

[Guest RedWingsFever]

I wouldn't trade Zetterberg for anyone other than Crosby himself.

I dunno. I may not even take that trade. Cause Zetterberg adds amazing defense with his amazing offense. Crosby has yet to develope the defensive game that Hank has. So right now, IMO Zetterberg > Crosby.

[Guest RedWingsFever]

I wouldn't trade Zetterberg for anyone other than Crosby himself.

I dunno. I may not even take that trade. Cause Zetterberg adds amazing defense with his amazing offense. Crosby has yet to develope the defensive game that Hank has. So right now, IMO Zetterberg > Crosby.

[eva unit zero 271]

Who cares, Tampa isn't going to trade Vinny. This isn't a video game where you can go "how much would it take?" and get a player.

Ultimately, there is no player who is untouchable. There are players, though, whose price tags in terms of assets are well beyond what any other teams would be willing to actually give up for them.

[Doggy 130]

I dunno. I may not even take that trade. Cause Zetterberg adds amazing defense with his amazing offense. Crosby has yet to develope the defensive game that Hank has. So right now, IMO Zetterberg > Crosby.

I don't care how many times you post the same thing... Crosby for Zetterberg is a good trade.

Crosby is a baby and the best player in the world. Z is 27 and one of the best in world. Any GM in the league would take that trade. Don't be such a homer.

And this is coming from someone whose favourite current player is Hank. The reason I'm being this honest is I know it will never happen. Henrik will always be a Wing and that's fine by me. But Crosby is better. End of story.

[interminded 1]

Do you think the Pens would give up Crosby if we gave them Hudler and some picks?

If tthose picks where all first round picks for the next 40 years..... maybe.

[HenrikRules40 14]

I would not trade Dats away for Vinny. If Z gets all his awesomeness from Dats, then how will Z be awesome? Ultimitly if you trade Dats for Vinny, you are trading away all of Zs points to. (ok... some of his points)

Not to be ultimately argumentative, but Z doesn't get all his awesomeness from Dats...you knew that though...

[redwingfan19 293]

I would trade anyone on the wings for Vinny. He is the total package.

[jagr68 0]

Wow, a lot of responses to the topic.

Some would never want VInny, some would only trade Z for Crosby, some would give up anyone for Vinny. I'd give up anybody for him too, other than Crosby. You can argue about who is better, Sid or Vinny, but Sid being 7 years younger makes him more valuable. Youth is something you can't teach or learn. Vinny finally lived up to expectations last year and scored 52 goals. He can hit, get hit, kill penalties, score shorthanded, and stand up for himself and fight. Not to many players like that. He isn't a defensive liability like he was when he was a kid. Him and Torts got into it many times over Vinny's bad defensive play, but not anymore. He matured. He is the complete package.

Somehow Thornton's name got thrown in somewhere. Thornton is not in the same league as Sid, Crosby, Zetterberg or Datsyuk. Sure the guy can pass the puck, but he is someone that NEEDS great players around him. He wasn't putting up Art Ross Trophy numbers in Boston when Glen Murray was his right winger. He now has Cheechoo who is one of the best goal scorers, although off to a slow start. And also, unless the other team pulled their goalie, Thornton won't be scoring many goals. Is it just me or any highlights I see of him he is scoring on a empty net.

I think, like most have already said. It wouldn't happen. But what would it take, as the topic says...

I am assuming they mean THIS year. Like someone else said, Tampa would want a goalie. That's number one. They don't want a guy in his 40s and a guy at the tail end of his career. Even though Osgood has great numbers, I think most teams and people associate him being a winning goalie on a great team for many years, mainly the Wings.

Tampa would want someone to help bring people in the seats still. They were 5th in the league last year in attendence and you can bet seeing Lecavalier was a good reason.

This whole talk about Datsyk or Zetterberg for Vinny was going on a while. But really, it doesn't matter who you like better, Dats or Z, Dats is the clear choice of who would FIT better with Vinny. Sure Zetterberg is a all around great player, but Datsyuk is a natural set up man, with some wicked hands. Lecavalier is a natural goal scorer who can also make great players. Zetterberg would obviously play well with him too, because usually, great players can play together (not always, no need to get into this years Rangers and such) but

I think most could agree the way Datsuk is, he would be the best guy for Vinny's linemate. Datsyuk can play wing and Vinny has been known to play wing occasionly, but is a more natural center.

So you'd have to give up Zetterberg and you can name whoever to go with him, doesn't really matter. They would need Zetterberg but they still would need a #1 goalie, which we can't offer.

Also, would Vinny want to come here? This is a guy who gets about 25 minutes a night. When is the last time a Red Wing forward averaged those kind of minutes? Their GM also said he didn't want to be known as "The GM that traded away Lecavalier." So thats a clue it won't be easy getting him. Plus he has great chemistry with St. Louis. Those two guys may be the best due in the league. You can argue about which duo is best, but by far, the top four are Lecavalier/St. Louis, Datsyk/Zetterberg, Heatley/Spezza, and of course, Crosby/Malkin (finally on a line together every game).

Also, like someone else said. If it isn't broke, don't fix it. Lecavalier is a great player, probably the 2nd best in the world, but the Wings are rolling right now. Second best team in the league. If they need to improve anything, it's their goaltenders. That's another topic.

Now, everything changes next year though, because he is a UFA after next season. If contract talks do not go well, or Lecavalier makes it known he will not play for them the season after next, then Tampa would trade him to the highest bidder by the trade deadline. They may not even get much for him because he will be a UFA , and how much can you give up to a guy who may not even be on your team after the summer. Many people say he will go to Montreal after next year. Who knows.

What it comes down to is, no team will get VInny this year, and if their is a chance of him getting traded, it will be around next year's trade deadline, only if he makes it known he doesn't want to be a Bolt.

[toby91_ca 620]

Also, would Vinny want to come here? This is a guy who gets about 25 minutes a night. When is the last time a Red Wing forward averaged those kind of minutes?

Here is a very interesting stat for you (so far this year):

Vinny - 22:28 minutes per game

Hank - 22:28 minutes per game

That's not a typo, they are getting the same ice time (to the second).

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

Man, I can't believe how many people are willing to trade Datsyuk for Vinny. Is Vinny a better all around player? sure. But can't anyone see the double standard? Datsyuk leads the Wings in scoring for 3 straight seasons, signs a long term deal with us and we label him expendible? If Datsyuk held out for max money or signed with another team we'd all have his heart on a steak, but after he's proven his loyalty we're labeling him tradeable? compared to a player who has never led the wings in scoring (through a complete season) and a player who hasn't (as of yet) ever resigned with the Wings (regardless of speculation that he will). We expect loyalty from our players but are unwilling to return the favor? Boy, I'm starting to see why one particular Russian star ditched us in the past (guess who i'm thinking of).

Edited November 9, 2007 by RedWings Gone Wild

[Izzy24 44]

Man, I can't believe how many people are willing to trade Datsyuk for Vinny. Is Vinny a better all around player? sure. But can't anyone see the double standard? Datsyuk leads the Wings in scoring for 3 straight seasons, signs a long term deal with us and we label him expendible? If Datsyuk held out for max money or signed with another team we'd all have his heart on a steak, but after he's proven his loyalty we're labeling him tradeable? compared to a player who has never led the wings in scoring (through a complete season) and a player who hasn't (as of yet) ever resigned with the Wings (regardless of speculation that he will). We expect loyalty from our players but are unwilling to return the favor? Boy, I'm starting to see why one particular Russian star ditched us in the past (guess who i'm thinking of).

Grigorenko?

[Guest LivingtheDream]

Man, I can't believe how many people are willing to trade Datsyuk for Vinny. Is Vinny a better all around player? sure. But can't anyone see the double standard? Datsyuk leads the Wings in scoring for 3 straight seasons, signs a long term deal with us and we label him expendible? If Datsyuk held out for max money or signed with another team we'd all have his heart on a steak, but after he's proven his loyalty we're labeling him tradeable? compared to a player who has never led the wings in scoring (through a complete season) and a player who hasn't (as of yet) ever resigned with the Wings (regardless of speculation that he will). We expect loyalty from our players but are unwilling to return the favor? Boy, I'm starting to see why one particular Russian star ditched us in the past (guess who i'm thinking of).

Who knows what makes half these simpletons click.

[eva unit zero 271]

Man, I can't believe how many people are willing to trade Datsyuk for Vinny. Is Vinny a better all around player? sure. But can't anyone see the double standard? Datsyuk leads the Wings in scoring for 3 straight seasons, signs a long term deal with us and we label him expendible? If Datsyuk held out for max money or signed with another team we'd all have his heart on a steak, but after he's proven his loyalty we're labeling him tradeable? compared to a player who has never led the wings in scoring (through a complete season) and a player who hasn't (as of yet) ever resigned with the Wings (regardless of speculation that he will). We expect loyalty from our players but are unwilling to return the favor? Boy, I'm starting to see why one particular Russian star ditched us in the past (guess who i'm thinking of).

The thread topic was 'what would it take to get Vinny.'

The general consensus was 'probably Dats or Z.'

Z is better than Dats at both ends. So Dats is the guy you'd want to give up.

Saying 'Dats is the guy I'd be willing to give up' is not the same as saying 'Let's go trade Dats!!'

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

Saying 'Dats is the guy I'd be willing to give up' is not the same as saying 'Let's go trade Dats!!'

My exact quote was "I can't believe how many people are willing to trade Datsyuk for Vinny." not "I can't believe how many people WANT to trade Datsyuk."... So, read carefully next time. I'm aware that nobody is out trying to convince management to trade Datsyuk, I merely think it's ironic how we expect loyalty out of our players (despite the fact that they can get a few extra bucks elsewhere), and yet label them expendible if we can better our team without them. It just makes me feel that if you're willing to trade someone who has shown up every season to play hard, has signed a long term deal to stay with Detroit, and has been an all around loyal guy... well then you lose the moral high ground to complain about guys like Federov, Shanny, and Schneids leaving for an extra buck.

It'd be a different story if Datsyuk wasn't showing up to play hard or earn his paycheck (ala' Lang).