Downey Love

[Grittzkey 1]

So basically, Its unanimous for the most part. hasek/ozzie bashing aside..

DOWNEY RULES

But im worried, Downey has basically won over people in detroit for the most part. do you see him being snagged on waivers sometime soon.. heck if Fedurok can be claimed on waivers, whats to stop a team from claiming downey. and why dont we waive ellis instead, he has a heck of a lot less value then downey does i believe.

1 - Do you think downey will get claimed by another team from waivers.

2 - Why dont/cant we waive ellis instead?

3 - If we did loose downey, what do you think would happen to our 4th line, Sure we've prettty much gone without him all year, but i think he pretty much secured his worth. and warrants more PT.

thoughts?

Edited November 25, 2007 by Grittzkey

[wingnut40 176]

I think Downey should stay forever and ever. His plays/fights sway the momentum in our favor. I'd rather have him than Ellis any day.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

I don't see him getting claimed by another team if we put him on waivers again, but you never know. If he does get claimed, then we're back to having the "PAIN TRAIN" as our top enforcer with Kopecky pitching in every now and then for laughs. As for Ellis, he's played well this season, at least compared to Drake, Kopecky, and even Franzen. There's no reason to waive him. I'd make him a regular on the 4th line if I were running things, and have Downey and Franzen as the other 4th liners.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

1. I'm going to say that he doesn't just because I'll be VERY sad if he does.

2. Matt has done a heck of a job when filling in, and is a very hard worker that deserves to stay in the line up.

3.Our 4th line would lose a lot of it's energy, and toughness and it just wouldn't be the same. I think at this time Downey has almost earned himself a sure spot.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Im definitely worried he's going to get claimed next time around. I think they should just put Ellis on waivers, would he even get claimed??? I doubt it. But if so, no biggie. Why risk losing someone who's shown good value to the team especially considering you wont have any replacement to bring up? With Ellis, if you lost him you could probably just call up some guy like Hartigan and not even notice the difference.

[Grittzkey 1]

Lou, i just relized what your name means.. hahah

Basically, my thought is that, Teams playing agaisnt us with downey, see's what a diffrence an enforcer can do for a team. So next tiem they see downey on the waiver wire, they are going to take a stab at him.. Ellis type players are a dime a dozen. Ellis has been doing great this year i give him that. But he dosnt offer anything special other then hardwork yah dig?

[Kp-Wings 3]

Ellis should be the one being waived, not Downey. Don't get me wrong: I like Ellis. But as far as who is more important to this team, Downey is by far more important. If we lost Ellis, you could just bring up someone like Hartigan or Ryan Oulahen and not even notice a difference. But if you lose Downey, who do you bring up to fill that role? Adam Keefe is the only name that comes to mind, and he has no chance in hell of playing for the Wings. So basically, it'd be nobody, and we'd be losing the one tough guy/fighter on the team for yet another guy who only works hard, and that's about it. We have plenty of guys like that already.

Downey better stay on this team. He's really played well this season in what little time he's gotten. He's basically gotten 3 key assists, because the penalties he drew led to the Wings scoring. His fighting is also the biggest element, which is something nobody else on this team even considers doing.

Hopefully Babcock get's into Holland's ear about Downey's importance, and he stays on this team for the entire season, and earns a full time spot.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

That's what I use if I want my clothes really soft. Glad it's unanimous here as well.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

That's what I use if I want my clothes really soft. Glad it's unanimous here as well.

Hahaha last night when Aaron got into a fight my Mom was like who is that? And I was like "Downey..you know the fabric softener that makes our clothes smell and feel really nice."

[Flip-check 6]

Hahaha last night when Aaron got into a fight my Mom was like who is that? And I was like "Downey..you know the fabric softener that makes our clothes smell and feel really nice."

I am tempted to make that a Downey sign for the Calgary game Tues.

And I'm not sure about the team's girlfriends saying their guys smell better because of Downey... but I'm sure they do feel better without the bruises from unchecked crosschecks.

[DSM 114]

Based on what I've seen this year, it should be Drake being waived every thirty days instead of Downey. Who's going to pick up a older player that is -6 and has 1 assist in 16 games?

I was so entertained with last nights game, thanks Downey.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Based on what I've seen this year, it should be Drake being waived every thirty days instead of Downey. Who's going to pick up a older player that is -6 and has 1 assist in 16 games?

I was so entertained with last nights game, thanks Downey.

I completely agree, but certain politics will prevent that from happening.

[Grittzkey 1]

Based on what I've seen this year, it should be Drake being waived every thirty days instead of Downey. Who's going to pick up a older player that is -6 and has 1 assist in 16 games?

I was so entertained with last nights game, thanks Downey.

you expect 4th liners to get points??

-6? who cares.. draper is -1.. s*** happens.

Drake is a proven player in the nhl for instance being a captain of an NHL team.

[BlueMonk 102]

My only hope is that since every other team already has a tough guy or two, he won't get picked up next time they waive him. Babcock wants what Downey brings, hopefully that counts for something.

[uk_redwing 495]

If Aaron Downey leaves the team, I'll get angry. And when I get angry Mr.Bigglesworth gets upset, and when Mr.Bigglesworth gets upset.... people DIE!!

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

That's what I use if I want my clothes really soft. Glad it's unanimous here as well.

Downey gets games cleaner. Now with spring fresh scent!

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

So basically, Its unanimous for the most part. hasek/ozzie bashing aside..

DOWNEY RULES

But im worried, Downey has basically won over people in detroit for the most part. do you see him being snagged on waivers sometime soon.. heck if Fedurok can be claimed on waivers, whats to stop a team from claiming downey. and why dont we waive ellis instead, he has a heck of a lot less value then downey does i believe.

1 - Do you think downey will get claimed by another team from waivers.

2 - Why dont/cant we waive ellis instead?

3 - If we did loose downey, what do you think would happen to our 4th line, Sure we've prettty much gone without him all year, but i think he pretty much secured his worth. and warrants more PT.

thoughts?

1 - No. Downey was put on waivers twice, and nobody really made any push to pick him up either time (or so I am assuming). Unless he just magically turns into a consistent scoring threat, I see no reason why anybody would pick him up assuming he goes on waivers again.

2 - Not entirely sure about how waivers work, but Ellis is younger and has more potential than Downey at 33 (?). Not to diminish the role that Downey has played so far this season, but Ellis is still a rookie, hence giving him necessary time to try to make an impact on the Wings over the net few seasons.

3 - Not much would change from what we would currently see. A mix of Kopecky/Drake/Ellis assuming everybody is healthy.

With all that being said, I have enjoyed watching Downey in his opportunities here. I like his game, and I liked the 'extended' scrap in last nights game where the two continuously went at it then pretty much shook each other's hand/called a truce as it finally ended. That's a good fight.

However, he has performed his role exactly as it is defined, nothing more/less that's why I'm not going too ga-ga over him when a 4th line role/fighting/agitating is just a few of many parts of hockey (although generally speaking I don't get too hyped up over anything anymore). He's playing 4th-line minutes, getting his hands dirty every now and then, and providing energy and spirit like he's supposed to.

When everything is going fairly well for the Wings despite this recent snag, no need to change things much, so keep Downey's role the same.

[Echolalia 2,961]

by the way, does anyone have either of those Downy fights posted online yet?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

by the way, does anyone have either of those Downy fights posted online yet?

Here ya go.

[USAFWingedWheel 4]

wow, the wings got a fighter on the team, does holland know about that...sshhhh, don't tell him...

[TheBadOne 0]

So basically, Its unanimous for the most part. hasek/ozzie bashing aside..

DOWNEY RULES

But im worried, Downey has basically won over people in detroit for the most part. do you see him being snagged on waivers sometime soon.. heck if Fedurok can be claimed on waivers, whats to stop a team from claiming downey. and why dont we waive ellis instead, he has a heck of a lot less value then downey does i believe.

1 - Do you think downey will get claimed by another team from waivers.

2 - Why dont/cant we waive ellis instead?

3 - If we did loose downey, what do you think would happen to our 4th line, Sure we've prettty much gone without him all year, but i think he pretty much secured his worth. and warrants more PT.

thoughts?

Downey does rule, indeed.

1. It's possible he could get claimed, but I don't think it's likely. Downey knows his role here in Detroit, but I think that it's because he's in Detroit that he's able to do so well (last season, he played a few games in Montreal before being demoted to Hamilton.) He's never been a full-time player anywhere else and probably won't at this stage of his career. Fedoruk was a toughguy claimed on waivers, but also has more NHL experience than Downey has and has been able to stay in a team's lineup for the majority of the season.

2. While all players are expecting to bring their "A" game, few players do so like Ellis does. A lot of what he does right isn't going to be found on the stats sheet and occasionally does find himself with a point or a plus rating. Whenever the coaches tell him to improve something, he exceeds their expectations. He may not have Zetterberg like skills, but he does have all the right skills, plus leadership abilities, that make him suitable for Detroit's style of play. Some teams may have interest in Downey, but there are likely more teams out there who'd be interested in Ellis. Ellis would also be less likely to be re-claimed off waivers than Downey.

3. The fourth line, w/o Downey, would be Drake, Kopecky, or Huds/Filppula. It would be a decent line, but I really liked the Kopecky-Ellis-Downey unit we saw at the beginning of the season.

Thems my $.02

[Mickeyisms Rule! 0]

you expect 4th liners to get points??

-6? who cares.. draper is -1.. s*** happens.

Drake is a proven player in the nhl for instance being a captain of an NHL team.

Well if you go by your justification then we should never have let Lang go (he once led the league in scoring), should not be hating on Hasek currently (he has won multiple Vezina awards), and there is no reason to be angry at George Bush (he once had an original idea).

Going by a person's past performance can be very misleading. The same is true for stocks and mutual finds; this is why you get a disclaimer for any fund that says "past performance should not be used as an indicator for future performance." While it may give you an idea of what he is capable of (or at least what he was capable of), it certainly gives you no indication of what he can do anymore.

I love when Downey is on the ice, my eyes seem to follow him around just to see what will happen next around him. This happens to members of the opposing team, too. This is why he is so valuable to this team. He draws the attention from the goons and allows the skill guys to be skill guys.

Waive Drake.

[rick zombo 3,739]

I don't know.

I like the energy Downey brings. But do you guys actually think people fear him? Does anyone think that Shelley changed his game on Saturday because of Downey?

It was 0-0 when Downey and Shelley fought. Which wasn't much of a tilt at all. The Wings went down 2-0. It wasn't until afther they tied it 2-2 that Downey fought.

My point? I really like Downey. But I don't think he's enough of a heavyweight to really change the way a team plays the Red Wings, or the way the Wings play their game.

Edited November 26, 2007 by rick zombo

[Dabura 12,232]

My only hope is that since every other team already has a tough guy or two, he won't get picked up next time they waive him.

This idea seems to be lost on a lot of people.

It's great having Downey on the roster, no doubt. But a lot of teams have three or four Downey types. He just seems so special to us because we are -- and have been for some time -- lacking the kind of presence he brings to the fold.

[Rob the Badger 0]

I would much rather see Drake or Kopecky go. Downey has real value and has been a more offensive threat than either Drake or Kopecky this year. Who would we miss more? The 20 points that Kopecky MIGHT get this year, or the physical presence that Downey brings. To me, it's a no brainer.