Official: Weight traded to Ducks for Andy McDonald

[Guest DetroitIan]

Looks like this isn't just a rumor anymore. This deal is happening.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=225201&hubname=nhl

Horrible trade for the Ducks. But the Blues just scored big time.

[sverige 0]

Does this clear up enough space for Neidermayer? Or was it next year that was the problem?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Does this clear up enough space for Neidermayer? Or was it next year that was the problem?

Yes and yes.

Next year was the problem, but under some CBA tagging rule, to bring Niedermayer back now they had to have cap space for him next year (he's signed through the 09 season).

I wonder how many hockey fans still think Burke is the best GM out there?

He's totally screwed himself. Overpaying for Bertuzzi, having Penner stolen, getting nothing for Bryzgalov, now getting Weight for McDonald?

I'm loving this.

Even if Holland gets a little too much credit for building the Cup winning teams, at least when he took over he didn't screw up the team like Burke is.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Yes and yes.

Next year was the problem, but under some CBA tagging rule, to bring Niedermayer back now they had to have cap space for him next year (he's signed through the 09 season).

I wonder how many hockey fans still think Burke is the best GM out there?

He's totally screwed himself. Overpaying for Bertuzzi, having Penner stolen, getting nothing for Bryzgalov, now getting Weight for McDonald?

I'm loving this.

Really? I'm not all that enthusiastic about the fact that our division just got stronger. McDonald and Boyes give the Blues a pretty good one-two punch at center.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Really? I'm not all that enthusiastic about the fact that our division just got stronger. McDonald and Boyes give the Blues a pretty good one-two punch at center.

True. St. Louis just got better.

But right now I'm just enjoying Burke making an awful deal.

I'll consider the bigger implications later.

Besides, come playoff time the Ducks will still be a much bigger hurdle than the Blues (if they make the playoffs. And if they do, fingers crossed, Legace will be in net).

[auxlepli 17]

True. St. Louis just got better.

But right now I'm just enjoying Burke making an awful deal.

I'll consider the bigger implications later.

Besides, come playoff time the Ducks will still be a much bigger hurdle than the Blues (if they make the playoffs. And if they do, fingers crossed, Legace will be in net).

Agreed. There's lot of hockey to play, but the Wings are 13 points ahead of the Blues and Jackets right now.

Besides it's been argued that having tougher teams within the Wings' division will make them stronger for the post-season.

[edicius 3,269]

But right now I'm just enjoying Burke making an awful deal.

You and me both. If anything, this actually makes the Ducks WORSE off than they were before. True, this creates the room necessary for Selfish Scott, but at the expense of someone who can actually score goals. Weight's old and injury-prone at this point in his career. I give it until late January before he's out with a knee injury.

[akustyk 84]

Really? I'm not all that enthusiastic about the fact that our division just got stronger. McDonald and Boyes give the Blues a pretty good one-two punch at center.

and you consider this a disadvantage?

I'd rather see Wings playing those 8 games against quality team than sleepwalking over another Oilers who aren't even able to win in regulation against Wings that put nearly zero effort into the game

a good division matchup for playoff bound team is always an opportunity to match against rival and play some serious hockey. for coaches it's the ultimate chance to develop their teams for playoffs.

But right now I'm just enjoying Burke making an awful deal.

yeah. no kidding. and I'd love to see McKenzie with his brown nose trying to convince everyone Burke made a smart move and is second coming of Albert Einstein or sort of... geez... TSN must really be wiping tears at the doom of their beloved Brian

Besides, come playoff time the Ducks will still be a much bigger hurdle than the Blues (if they make the playoffs. And if they do, fingers crossed, Legace will be in net).

not convinced about these Ducks yet, but they might as well make some playoff push soon

as for the Blues. they'll make the playoffs but not get past round 1. as usual.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I don't think that our problems in recent years of advancing in the playoffs have anything to do with playing in a weak divison. We still have to play every team in the West 4 times, so it's not like we're only playing against the Central. Yeah, it might increase our point totals, but that still has nothing to do with how often we play against other quality teams. I'd personally rather play an 8 seed over any other seed in the 1st round. So to sum things up, no I'm not happy that the Blues got stronger. What next, you guys will be rooting for the Blackhawks to trade Jason Williams for Joe Thornton?

[CAredwingsfan91 28]

wow im SHOCKED! i never would have thought they would have traded andy...does anyone know how many more years he has on his contract? i hope he ends up signing with us just to get back at the ducks hahaha. i can't believe this trade happened.

[Duck Guy 86]

hopefully teemu comes back.... did not expect andy mac to be traded was expecting a defenseman

EDIT:: horrible spelling like always.... Teemu, Weight, and Bertuzzi line... lol

Edited December 15, 2007 by Duck Guy

[b.shanafan14 733]

wow... this decision is.... wow.... reallly.... wow..... HERE'S TO THE DUCKS RESURGENCE LED BY BURKE AND NEIDERMEYER.... dumbs***s...

Looks like St. Louis is tougher, though not all that much. Not too worried about it...

I'm with you haroldsnepsts, better to watch Burke and the Ducks fall flat on their face time and time again this season, I'll take a slightly tougher Blues team!

[Bannedforlife 403]

hopefully teemu comes back.... did not expect andy mac to be traded was expecting a defenseman

EDIT:: horrible spelling like always.... Teemu, Weight, and Bertuzzi line... lol

Yea really. That's gotta be the oldest line in hockey!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Yes and yes.

Next year was the problem, but under some CBA tagging rule, to bring Niedermayer back now they had to have cap space for him next year (he's signed through the 09 season).

I wonder how many hockey fans still think Burke is the best GM out there?

He's totally screwed himself. Overpaying for Bertuzzi, having Penner stolen, getting nothing for Bryzgalov, now getting Weight for McDonald?

I'm loving this.

Even if Holland gets a little too much credit for building the Cup winning teams, at least when he took over he didn't screw up the team like Burke is.

Harold, while I agree with some of your criticisms of Burke. I don't think it fair to mention Penner.

IMO, Penner is seriously overpaid and frankly, he isn't doing much of anything in Edmonton.

What exactly was Burke supposed to do in the new era market? Pull a Flyers move and pay a 900K guy 5.6 million for 12 straight years like they did Mike Richards?

I don't think its as easy to sign your RFA's as people think. For starters, now that the floodgates for pilfering RFA's are wide open, it really isn't in the best interest of a player or his agent to sign prior to the deadline. Why would you when you can freely field offers and sign with another team? Of course your team can match but basically, there's no reason to not test the waters.

IMO, there isn't much one can do to lock up RFA's unless the player is committed to his current team and the GM is willing to shell out a substantial raise and a long term committment.

I don't think Penner being lost can be blamed so much on Burke rather I think it was a more preposterously stupid move by Kevin Lowe.

[Guest DetroitIan]

IMO, Penner is seriously overpaid and frankly, he isn't doing much of anything in Edmonton.

I would agree that Penner is overpayed. But the guy has been picking it up lately. I think he's got a point in the past 11 games. If he keeps playing like this for the rest of the season, he just might earn that paycheck. But during the first quarter of the season, he was basically non-existant. Tough to forsee how Penner's year will end. Other than of course the Oilers spending plenty of time of the golf course.

Edited December 15, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Grittzkey 1]

I think its good for the ducks tbh..

Doug isnt a horrible player.. sure Andy is better, but you got to now think they got one of the best Defence in the leugue. Pronger,Neidermeyer,Schneider,Boshamen:D. pretty stout.. now for teemu to come back and i think they are very strong..

[Kp-Wings 3]

Wow, didn't see that coming.

I don't see what this does on a positive note for Anaheim. They basically traded one underproducing salary for another. Granted Weight does make less than McDonald, but he's not really all that cheap. He still takes up cap space that they might need.

They would have been better off trading someone else for maybe a draft pick or prospect just to rid their salary. Sean O'Donnell or Brad May come to mind.

Edited December 15, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[irishtemper14+25 11]

im happy that they made burke has f*ed up a lot, i think its hilarious

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Harold, while I agree with some of your criticisms of Burke. I don't think it fair to mention Penner.

IMO, Penner is seriously overpaid and frankly, he isn't doing much of anything in Edmonton.

What exactly was Burke supposed to do in the new era market? Pull a Flyers move and pay a 900K guy 5.6 million for 12 straight years like they did Mike Richards?

I don't think its as easy to sign your RFA's as people think. For starters, now that the floodgates for pilfering RFA's are wide open, it really isn't in the best interest of a player or his agent to sign prior to the deadline. Why would you when you can freely field offers and sign with another team? Of course your team can match but basically, there's no reason to not test the waters.

IMO, there isn't much one can do to lock up RFA's unless the player is committed to his current team and the GM is willing to shell out a substantial raise and a long term committment.

I don't think Penner being lost can be blamed so much on Burke rather I think it was a more preposterously stupid move by Kevin Lowe.

In and of itself, losing Penner is not a big fault. But his unwillingness to shell out for Penner, combined with paying $4 mill for Bert makes it a bad move by Burke. Yes it's tough to lock up RFA's, but that's the job of a good GM. Even if it seems like too much in the short term, a good GM should be able to evaluate their long-term talent and worth, and also the likelihood of some other team making an offer.

Burke seems to be the ultimate short-term GM. I just don't see how a good GM can not manage to keep Penner, and at the same time throw that kind of money at Bertuzzi.

Penner is seriously overpaid, but he had to be by Lowe or Burke would've just matched.

And the floodgates are hardly wide open. Exactly how many RFA's have been picked up by other teams?

[Lou_Siffer 1]

No doubt this as of now, is a bad return. But we really wont truly know until everything plays out. McDonald was going to have to be moved eventually at some point because of the way Corey Perry is playing. I highly doubt anyone imagined he'd have matched his career high in goals before the halfway mark. This means alot more dollars (in upwards of possibly 1.5 -2 mill or so more than planned id guess) need to be set aside for him. Wiith Getzlaf, Pronger, Schneider/Neidermayer, Giguere already making alot...they cant really afford Andy anymore. I dont like what they got for him, but the choice probably came down between going the prospect route for him or taking someone on who might contribute for 1 yr. With Neidermayer coming back, i think they believe they can make another run, so they choose the latter option and got Weight.

Edited December 15, 2007 by Lou_Siffer

[Grittzkey 1]

Ontop of getting Doug Weight.. they recieved Michal Birner, who was ranked 13th of all the blues prospects. and a 7th round selection..

So they got 2 Young players to mold..free up salary..and dont loose much production by trading McD for Weight..

Good trade for Ducks overall i think.

[ben_usmc 253]

I see the trade deadline floodgates have opened already and the Ducks are sellers . I'm sure they'll make the playoffs but its always fun to watch Burke get himself deeper in the quicksand, sorry duck guy.

[wingsfan40 0]

Burke is such an idiot....

[theman19 47]

okay, i'll say it. Couldn't we have offered anything better than doug weight? We all know we've needed a second line center all year. I havn't checked how much mc gets paid but would it have been worth it to throw someone at them?

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Wow. Sucks for the Ducks.

Haha that ryhmes.