Samuelsson does not fit in

[HenrikRules40 14]

Am I the only one that likes Sammy? He's not that bad. You get what you pay for. He's not so expensive. And he's decent on defense. Plus you can't go wrong if you shoot. I don't see a problem with him. I know I'm like the only person here who likes him...but I'm a Sammy fan.

[Grittzkey 1]

Sammy is a average player who is forced to play bigger minutes than he can handle and with hightend expectations on his shoulders he just doesnt succeed..

His skills dont fit our team needs. He isnt that good 2-way so 3rd line is out of the question. and he isnt an energy player so 4th line is outta the equation.. only place you can put him is 2nd. and i can name alot of players who should get it before him.. Everyone but downey and ellis.

Gettin rid of him would be a classic case of Addition by Subtraction. And an addition of an Energy player who crashes and bangs *Eric Boulton* would be a solid addition for our playoff run. and a draft pick to even out the trade.. It would help us out in the grit department and a a boost to our youth department via draft.

Zette-Datsyuk-Homer

Rex-Flip-Franz

Cleary-Drapes-Maltby

Drake-Kopecky-Downey

*Ellis,Boulton*

I likeit

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

ummm i never liked samuelsson , even when he got his 20 goal season and i got bashed for sayin he sucked , hes way overrated , im from montreal and i think this player is not to great either but hes a free agent at seasons end and samuelsson isnt so we can get rid of sammys contract at the end of the year by doing this trade , and montreal is always benching him and theres no way hes gonna be back next year there

mikael samuelsson

for michael ryder

any thoughts ??

I was thinking about that yesterday. It wouldnt surprise me if Holland did something with MTL for a trade. Ryder's value is low, it isnt that he's bad, just Montreals system blows ass. He'd do great in our system. Sammy+4th-5th pick for Ryder would be great. I do like Sammy, but it wouldnt break my heart to see him traded.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I was thinking about that yesterday. It wouldnt surprise me if Holland did something with MTL for a trade. Ryder's value is low, it isnt that he's bad, just Montreals system blows ass. He'd do great in our system. Sammy+4th-5th pick for Ryder would be great. I do like Sammy, but it wouldnt break my heart to see him traded.

The only difference between Sammy and Ryder this year is that Ryder never shoots the puck anymore, thus he has no confidence. I hope Holland doesn't make this trade because we don't need anyone's left-overs.

[Grittzkey 1]

Am I the only one that likes Sammy? He's not that bad. You get what you pay for. He's not so expensive. And he's decent on defense. Plus you can't go wrong if you shoot. I don't see a problem with him. I know I'm like the only person here who likes him...but I'm a Sammy fan.

Im on the fence with him tbh. he isnt hurting nothing, but he isnt helping anything either really.. why not dish him out to get something that will help.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Of course Samuelsson doesn't fit in. He ******* blows, and I've been telling people this from day 1. His goal against St. Louis the other night was his first in over a month, and even despite that, he didn't do dick in that game. If he's not scoring, he's the most useless player on the Wings.

I have a laundry list of grievances with Samuelsson. For a second line player, he hasn't scored hardly at all this season. He has a whopping 4 goals this season, which is pathetic, cheap contract or not. Hudler and Filppula both make less money than he does, and get less ice, yet they both have more goals. So for anybody that tries to defend him because *he only makes 1.2 million a season* your excuse fails, because there are guys on the team right now that make less money than he does, and still have more points. Even Kopecky is closing in on his goal total.

...and that's just the not scoring part. His lack of physical play, espeically for his size, is so infuriating. It really shows the direction this team is when it comes to physical players. He pulls up whenever he goes into the corner to get the puck (I have not once seen him finish a check), and his constant ***** behavior of punching guys in the face with his gloves on, yet running away right after that and not answering the bell, is getting old in my book.

Also: his defensive play people talk about on here is mainly a myth. Just because he skates back and can keep up doesn't make him a good defensive player. Maybe it's just me, but a guy who can take the puck away, or take an opposing player out of the play physically qualifies as a good defensive player. Not a guy who just skates back and pretends to take him out of the play by standing next to somebody.

Samuelsson is basically like last years Jason Williams, only for some odd reason, people defend Samuelsson's play, which they did not do for Williams. I don't give a two s***s if the guy is swedish (which automatically means he get's a spot on this team) or only makes 1.2 million a season, he sucks and is not producing. If he was scoring, I'd lay off him, but he's not, and is playing terrible.

As for the proposed Mike Ryder trade: I wouldn't mind it, since it basically means Samuelsson would be gone off this team finally. Ryder is a more capable goal scorer than Samuelsson, as back-to-back 30 goal seasons can speak for that (on a non-playoff team with no true #1 center no less). My problem with Ryder is he is extremely one dimensional, and since he's not scoring this season, it's hard to find out what he could do (ala what his role would be) if he doesn't score.

Ryder could revitalize himself here, which would be great. If not, than the Wings simpily just let him walk. He's a UFA at seasons end, which makes the trade good in the Wings favor. They'd be clearing off Samuelsson and the extra year he he has on his contract, and they'd be getting a former 30 goal scorer in return. If Ryder doesn't work out, they let him leave, and fill that line with either a prospect or a decent UFA during next summer.

I think the trade would work well, and it makes sense for the Wings. Whether it actually happens or not remains to be seen. Samuelsson is both Holland and Babcock's golden boy (especially Babcock, who has not even considered benching him yet this season, and gives him so much ice time it's ridiculous) so it looks like he'll be around for a while unfortunately.

Edited December 22, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Of course Samuelsson doesn't fit in. He ******* blows, and I've been telling people this from day 1. His goal against St. Louis the other night was his first in over a month, and even despite that, he didn't do dick in that game. If he's not scoring, he's the most useless player on the Wings.

I have a laundry list of grievances with Samuelsson. For a second line player, he hasn't scored hardly at all this season. He has a whopping 4 goals this season, which is pathetic, cheap contract or not. Hudler and Filppula both make less money than he does, and get less ice, yet they both have more goals. So for anybody that tries to defend him because *he only makes 1.2 million a season* your excuse fails, because there are guys on the team right now that make less money than he does, and still have more points. Even Kopecky is closing in on his goal total.

...and that's just the not scoring part. His lack of physical play, espeically for his size, is so infuriating. It really shows the direction this team is when it comes to physical players. He pulls up whenever he goes into the corner to get the puck (I have not once seen him finish a check), and his constant ***** behavior of punching guys in the face with his gloves on, yet running away right after that and not answering the bell, is getting old in my book.

Also: his defensive play people talk about on here is mainly a myth. Just because he skates back and can keep up doesn't make him a good defensive player. Maybe it's just me, but a guy who can take the puck away, or take an opposing player out of the play physically qualifies as a good defensive player. Not a guy who just skates back and pretends to take him out of the play by standing next to somebody.

Samuelsson is basically like last years Jason Williams, only for some odd reason, people defend Samuelsson's play, which they did not do for Williams. I don't give a two s***s if the guy is swedish (which automatically means he get's a spot on this team) or only makes 1.2 million a season, he sucks and is not producing. If he was scoring, I'd lay off him, but he's not, and is playing terrible.

As for the proposed Mike Ryder trade: I wouldn't mind it, since it basically means Samuelsson would be gone off this team finally. Ryder is a more capable goal scorer than Samuelsson, as back-to-back 30 goal seasons can speak for that (on a non-playoff team with no true #1 center no less). My problem with Ryder is he is extremely one dimensional, and since he's not scoring this season, it's hard to find out what he could do (ala what his role would be) if he doesn't score.

Ryder could revitalize himself here, which would be great. If not, than the Wings simpily just let him walk. He's a UFA at seasons end, which makes the trade good in the Wings favor. They'd be clearing off Samuelsson and the extra year he he has on his contract, and they'd be getting a former 30 goal scorer in return. If Ryder doesn't work out, they let him leave, and fill that line with either a prospect or a decent UFA during next summer.

I think the trade would work well, and it makes sense for the Wings. Whether it actually happens or not remains to be seen. Samuelsson is both Holland and Babcock's golden boy (especially Babcock, who has not even considered benching him yet this season, and gives him so much ice time it's ridiculous) so it looks like he'll be around for a while unfortunately.

Are you trying to convince me that if Sammy's gone you're not going to secretly miss those spinaround moves where he puts the puck on his backhand and then has no clue what to do with after that?

[Nev 1,085]

The only difference between Sammy and Ryder this year is that Ryder never shoots the puck anymore, thus he has no confidence.

Babcock would soon sort that out since he never ceases to bang the "shoot the puck" drum. Everyone ******* and whines about Sammy and his shooting, but he's only doing what Babcock tells every player.

But yeah, Sammy has average skillswith no other qualities. I would much rather have an average player with other benefits such as toughness, grit, sandpaper - the kind of qualities we will need in the playoffs.

[wingslogo19 281]

Im going to be nice about it and say this, I've never like Sammy and probably will never like him... He doesn't know how to pass the puck, which isn't that hard. and He shoots the puck like no tomorrow, it wouldn't matter if he was at center ice...

[clutchngrab 12]

Sammie is Brett Hull without the shot or passing ability. That means he spends way too much time floating and absolutely refuses to use is body. I'm disappointed, because he had a great start and was skating well.

Lets think of some of the top forwards on the wings and consider whether they have heart or not:

Hank: yes

Pavs: yes

Clears: yes

Homer: yes

huds: mostly yes

Flip: mostly yes

Franzen: mostly yes:

Sammie: No

My definition of heart is wiilingness to work and pay the price. The reason the wings are great is because Babcock gives no quarter to skil alone if you refuse to sacrifice. You must work first and be skilled second. Thats why this team is winning. Dats in STL is all you need to see to understand what I am talking about. Sammie apparently didn't get the memo.

Edited December 23, 2007 by clutchngrab

[irishtemper14+25 11]

i almost didnt believe my eyes tonight...sammy had the puck in the zone and didnt shoot, he actually passed it to franzen

only time the whole game at even strength he passed

[kylee 727]

im glad somebody started a thread about Samuelsson.

ive been watching him especially close the last two weeks or so.

and i think he needs to be traded...for anything. and yeah i know that opens up a hole in the 2nd line but he does a little less than nothing on the ice.

when he has the puck in the netrual zone he tries to deek or side step any player that is front of him, its like passing is seriously the last thing he wants to do while playing the game.

his offense is a joke; his shot selection must be anywhere past his own side of center, and when he does actually get a shot through to the goaler, it hits him square in the chest.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

Sammy is a average player who is forced to play bigger minutes than he can handle and with hightend expectations on his shoulders he just doesnt succeed..

His skills dont fit our team needs. He isnt that good 2-way so 3rd line is out of the question. and he isnt an energy player so 4th line is outta the equation.. only place you can put him is 2nd. and i can name alot of players who should get it before him.. Everyone but downey and ellis.

Gettin rid of him would be a classic case of Addition by Subtraction. And an addition of an Energy player who crashes and bangs *Eric Boulton* would be a solid addition for our playoff run. and a draft pick to even out the trade.. It would help us out in the grit department and a a boost to our youth department via draft.

Eric Boulton appears to be quite a useless player. He seems to be either injured or scratched about half a season (scratched would be my guess). Plus he was suspended number of times. This guy does not fit with the Wings so much more than Sammy.

[Grittzkey 1]

He would be scratched on our team also. Downey isnt a full time enforcer.. Boulton isnt a full time enforcer.. interchanging them, giving them time off. putting them together with drake for times when its going to be a scrappy game..

the key to getting rid of him, is getting a gritty guy who doesnt mind being a healthy scratch, and a draft pick to add youth.. and to dump a WORTHLESS player.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

My biggest issue with Sammy is that hes taking ice time away from Franzen, Cleary and especially filppula and Hudler. He really brings down any line hes on.

As for whoever brought up the Ryder vs. Samuelsson debate, Ryders 30 goal seasons are no fluke. The guy has an awesome wrister and a much more accurate shot than Sammy could even dream of having. Theres no doubt that his confidence is low, but that could easily be changed with a new coach and a new team where slumping wingers arent eaten alive like they are in Montreal.

At this point, however, Id welcome a lot of players over Sammy. Im not gung ho to have him, but Id even trade Sammy and a low pick for Fedorov.

Edited December 23, 2007 by YoungGuns1340

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Am I the only one that likes Sammy? He's not that bad. You get what you pay for. He's not so expensive. And he's decent on defense. Plus you can't go wrong if you shoot. I don't see a problem with him. I know I'm like the only person here who likes him...but I'm a Sammy fan.

Nah, I like him as well.

Samuelsson is basically like last years Jason Williams, only for some odd reason, people defend Samuelsson's play, which they did not do for Williams. I don't give a two s***s if the guy is swedish (which automatically means he get's a spot on this team) or only makes 1.2 million a season, he sucks and is not producing. If he was scoring, I'd lay off him, but he's not, and is playing terrible.

Because he is better than Jason Williams.

Nobody is mentioning the fact that he's Swedish and he's getting special dibs because of that (EDIT: and just because he or anybody is Swedish doesn't automatically mean he's the golden boy on the team, don't know where that came from). You're just putting words in the conversation that aren't really necessary.

Edited December 23, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Im going to be nice about it and say this, I've never like Sammy and probably will never like him... He doesn't know how to pass the puck, which isn't that hard. and He shoots the puck like no tomorrow, it wouldn't matter if he was at center ice...

He has 13 assists, plenty more then a handful of other players on the team. While assists can certainly come off defelcted shots or rebounds, sometimes assists result from PASSING THE PUCK to other teammates.

i almost didnt believe my eyes tonight...sammy had the puck in the zone and didnt shoot, he actually passed it to franzen

only time the whole game at even strength he passed

See above.

Look I'm no Samuelsson slappie, he's not my favorite, but some of you are having a good knack for being overly dramatic right now.

Edited December 23, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan

[Opie 308]

The team's record is what, their overall ranking in the NHL, Western Conference, Central Division is what.

Sammy is not a top 6 forward, but due to the make of up this team he is a necessary piece at a top 6 spot. I would really like to see him play 3rd line, but the biggest worry there is ruining the chemistry that your 3rd line has right now.

Babcock is one of the quickest coach to show some one the door to the dog house. Apparently Sammy does something, and provides something that Babs believes this team needs on the second line. And I will take his opinion over yours, ahh thank you very much!

He has played 32 games this year. He has a limited offensive upside and plays decent defense.

He is on pace for 9g 30a 39pts +14, and if he hits a hot streak he could actually hit 15g, unlikely but could happen.

This guy provides more tangibles than Downey, yet most of you cream your shorts when Downey is in the line up and burn a Babcock doll in effigy when he isn't.

He is going to play important minutes, he will eat up some power play minutes in a key spot.

And did some one say Lebda should be on the pp.

At the beginning of the year half of this board wanted him elsewhere and Kindl starting.

Some of you want Kovalev, are you serious this guy takes more plays off than Randy Moss. He single handedly cost them playoff games by trying to embellish a call.

Ryder, what makes you think that his 3g 7a 10pts -5 is going to be any more than what Sammy does.

You people just aren't happy unless you are complaining about some one being lazy and sucking.

At least pick a player to trade for that is doing something more than Sammy.

s*** I am not a Sammy slappy but seriously, you want to trade him for a guy who is producing less.

I am so glad you guys are not running this team.

You guys ***** that he shoots too much, when was the last game he took more than 4 shots?

You do realize that Z is leading the league is shots taken right? So by your logic that Sammy shoots too much, what does Zetterberg do? Oh but that is right, he can shoot as much as he likes because he scores, but oh wait how is anyone supposed to score without shooting?

Williams was bitched about relentlessly, Lang (who btw played damn well here), Sammy, Lilja, etc.

Guess what there will inevitably be a player on this team that you do not like there style, but if that player is producing at least ***** about his play and not say "He can't pass". Please like anyone of you could go out there on a sheet of ice with Sammy and do any of the s*** he could.

I am so tired of these bench, trade, hang from the gallow's pole, threads about Sammy.

I know I will start a bench Aaron Downey thread and that way all of you will be too busy freaking out in that thread to start any more bench Sammy, Lilja sucks, Bring back ___ (insert former wing past his prime), who's better Ozzie or Hasek, etc. etc. threads.

This team is playing great hockey as a unit, there is no need to make a trade, especially if it means breaking up chemistry just to say you made a trade.

Again Sammy makes 1.2 a year Ryder is making 2.95 and IS PRODUCING LESS, this team has 5.45 mil (according to NHL Numbers) and they may or may not use that, but it should be for a sure fire top 6 forward, not a player like Sammy who makes twice as much.

And I know the reply already, oh but as soon as Ryder, Kovalev, whomever else you want gets to the D they will be the reincarnation of Brendan Shanahan.

You people amaze(or amuse) me,

Have a good Holiday thought!!

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

speaking of trading him to MTL

hows a 2nd line of Huds-Flip-Kovalev looking to u guys...looks very good to me =D

i wonder what itd take to get him out of there....sammy and what else?

Lol we could wish. KOVALEV IS A BEAST IN THE PLAYOFFS.

[ben_usmc 253]

The team's record is what, their overall ranking in the NHL, Western Conference, Central Division is what.

Sammy is not a top 6 forward, but due to the make of up this team he is a necessary piece at a top 6 spot. I would really like to see him play 3rd line, but the biggest worry there is ruining the chemistry that your 3rd line has right now.

Babcock is one of the quickest coach to show some one the door to the dog house. Apparently Sammy does something, and provides something that Babs believes this team needs on the second line. And I will take his opinion over yours, ahh thank you very much!

He has played 32 games this year. He has a limited offensive upside and plays decent defense.

He is on pace for 9g 30a 39pts +14, and if he hits a hot streak he could actually hit 15g, unlikely but could happen.

This guy provides more tangibles than Downey, yet most of you cream your shorts when Downey is in the line up and burn a Babcock doll in effigy when he isn't.

He is going to play important minutes, he will eat up some power play minutes in a key spot.

And did some one say Lebda should be on the pp.

At the beginning of the year half of this board wanted him elsewhere and Kindl starting.

Some of you want Kovalev, are you serious this guy takes more plays off than Randy Moss. He single handedly cost them playoff games by trying to embellish a call.

Ryder, what makes you think that his 3g 7a 10pts -5 is going to be any more than what Sammy does.

You people just aren't happy unless you are complaining about some one being lazy and sucking.

At least pick a player to trade for that is doing something more than Sammy.

s*** I am not a Sammy slappy but seriously, you want to trade him for a guy who is producing less.

I am so glad you guys are not running this team.

You guys ***** that he shoots too much, when was the last game he took more than 4 shots?

You do realize that Z is leading the league is shots taken right? So by your logic that Sammy shoots too much, what does Zetterberg do? Oh but that is right, he can shoot as much as he likes because he scores, but oh wait how is anyone supposed to score without shooting?

Williams was bitched about relentlessly, Lang (who btw played damn well here), Sammy, Lilja, etc.

Guess what there will inevitably be a player on this team that you do not like there style, but if that player is producing at least ***** about his play and not say "He can't pass". Please like anyone of you could go out there on a sheet of ice with Sammy and do any of the s*** he could.

I am so tired of these bench, trade, hang from the gallow's pole, threads about Sammy.

I know I will start a bench Aaron Downey thread and that way all of you will be too busy freaking out in that thread to start any more bench Sammy, Lilja sucks, Bring back ___ (insert former wing past his prime), who's better Ozzie or Hasek, etc. etc. threads.

This team is playing great hockey as a unit, there is no need to make a trade, especially if it means breaking up chemistry just to say you made a trade.

Again Sammy makes 1.2 a year Ryder is making 2.95 and IS PRODUCING LESS, this team has 5.45 mil (according to NHL Numbers) and they may or may not use that, but it should be for a sure fire top 6 forward, not a player like Sammy who makes twice as much.

And I know the reply already, oh but as soon as Ryder, Kovalev, whomever else you want gets to the D they will be the reincarnation of Brendan Shanahan.

You people amaze(or amuse) me,

Have a good Holiday thought!!

I %100 agree, this board is so insane, it seems every few months everyone chooses someone they want to gang up on whether deserved or not. I'm pretty sure Sammy is not going to be anyones fav. player but to devalue him as much as people have is just sad, I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

I %100 agree, this board is so insane, it seems every few months everyone chooses someone they want to gang up on whether deserved or not. I'm pretty sure Sammy is not going to be anyones fav. player but to devalue him as much as people have is just sad, I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.

Ryder has proven he can be a legit scorer. Sammuelson has not. I don't hate sammuelson and I know he;s a role player but people would be out of their mind to NOT think Ryder>>>>> Sammy

[b.shanafan14 733]

Are you trying to convince me that if Sammy's gone you're not going to secretly miss those spinaround moves where he puts the puck on his backhand and then has no clue what to do with after that?

quite possibility my favorite Samuelson move, usually he either runs outta room and loses the puck, or end up blindly waffling the puck to noone, or if those don't work, he'll go with the "old standby": firing an errant shot off a stick, up and into the mesh out of play

Edited December 23, 2007 by b.shanafan14

[revnic 0]

salmuelson is by far the WORST red wing at the moment. I hate him, he sucks, please trade him. WORST PP "quarterbacK" ever. Ok nm, Williams was worst. But it is very frustrating seeing the 4th D man position on the PP getting taken up by a forward that sucks at it. I don't know what Babcock is thinking when it comes to this.

[Zion 93]

Samuelsson is lazy and he sucks.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

salmuelson is by far the WORST red wing at the moment. I hate him, he sucks, please trade him. WORST PP "quarterbacK" ever. Ok nm, Williams was worst. But it is very frustrating seeing the 4th D man position on the PP getting taken up by a forward that sucks at it. I don't know what Babcock is thinking when it comes to this.

Who should we trade him for? Have any scenarios or examples? Anybody can say that player ABC or player XYZ should be traded.

And you can't just suggest something that can easily be done on NHL 08 on your PlayStation2. Doesn't work that way in real life.