interminded 1 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Ok we all know Ozzies had alot of luck this year and has been playing above his ability, but after watching tonights game I'd say this may be the start of a downward spiral for Ozzie.Hopefully this 3 year deal doesn't come back and haunt us and hopefully Dom stays healthy this year. So basically you're saying Ozzie's good first half of the season was mostly luck ? And if he's playing above his ability, what is his ability ? How many years are watching hockey ? 2 ? 3 maybe ? Ozzie has been playing outstanding so far and has had two mediocre games with some bad luck and bad bounces. Big deal. I'm sure they haven't lost faith in Luongo, Brodeur or Vokoun in their respective cities when they had a rough time in the beginning of the season... which was far greater than just two bad games. Calm the f*** down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut22 81 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 I dont know how anyone can blame the loss and one person tonight. We have been playing so well for so long, everyone (not matter how much we hated to admit it) knew that we wouldnt win them all. We will get back in the swing of things. Hopefully soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted January 16, 2008 You know, its not just Ozzie's luck, it is the entire team and organization. Based on these few losses, a complete restructuring of the team is needed. Bench Ozzie for good, trade Hank and Pavel, send Flip and Hudler to GR, fire Babcock, make Karen Newman not wear a bra while singing and buy a new Zamboni! My God, just do something, something!!! We lost a few games for crying out loud! This cannot be tolerated!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 It seems like many people here were expecting Ozzy to struggle eventually, just because his success this year has been better than anyone could have hoped for. How many people before the season expected Ozzy to be an all-star? No one. So now, everyone is saying "I told you so". I think it's too early to say that he's done, we just have to wait and see what happens next. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 You know, its not just Ozzie's luck, it is the entire team and organization. Based on these few losses, a complete restructuring of the team is needed. Bench Ozzie for good, trade Hank and Pavel, send Flip and Hudler to GR, fire Babcock, make Karen Newman not wear a bra while singing and buy a new Zamboni! My God, just do something, something!!! We lost a few games for crying out loud! This cannot be tolerated!!! We should all take a lesson from Karen Newman and support our greatest assets, giving them a boost as needed, especially as they age. Go Dom! Go Ozzie! The best pair on the ice at the Joe! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 We should all take a lesson from Karen Newman and support our greatest assets, giving them a boost as needed, especially as they age. Go Dom! Go Ozzie! The best pair on the ice at the Joe! Winner! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan75 2 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 OMG trade teh whole team!!!!!! These losers can't play a lick of hockey!!! Sorry I've always wanted to post one of these. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salviaman 104 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 So basically you're saying Ozzie's good first half of the season was mostly luck ? And if he's playing above his ability, what is his ability ? How many years are watching hockey ? 2 ? 3 maybe ? Ozzie has been playing outstanding so far and has had two mediocre games with some bad luck and bad bounces. Big deal. I'm sure they haven't lost faith in Luongo, Brodeur or Vokoun in their respective cities when they had a rough time in the beginning of the season... which was far greater than just two bad games. Calm the f*** down. YES!!!! LETS LOSE FAITH IN OUR GOALIE AGAIN!!! Ozzie didn't play awful really he let in a soft goal but other than that, Atlanta was working hard and if you watched the game the bounces and breaks were going their way all night. I really thought we were going to get shutout at home lol. PLus, Atlanta is not a bad team. Evere since they fired good ol Avs coach they have been playing awesome, disciplined hockey. They play hard and smart, something Detroit did not do enough of last night as a TEAM!!!! You can't win them all, and I think this will lose was acually good for the team. It serves as a wake up call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lfd250 1 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 You know, I've been blaming Jennifer (she's the new tv timeout girl, does all the MC work for the contest) She's 0-2 since she started. Nice to look at, but is starting to be bad luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 This has been driving me crazy ever since it was anounced that he was an all-star. I know it is more then likely just bad timing, but what the hell. He is playinng like crap and tonight was the icing on the cake for me. I don't understand what his porblem is. He gets an extra three yeras on his deal and then he decides to turn it off. Was he just playing for a contract or is he in the middle of bad luck? Kinda like how our other named all-stars have also sucked ass since being name to the team, eh? Team is in a funk... We are bound to lose some games... Plus Ozzie does have a huge pad right now on the Win/Loss differential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 I think people are taking this whole "they couldnT keep up that play forever" a little too far. Ozzie has outperformed all expectations. One or two bad games and it's suddenly "Well, it's not like he was ever seriously contending for the Vezina." Um...I still believe (and I'm far from a blind fan of anyone on the team) that two bad games doesn't take you out of the running. I mean, my God, it's like the team and Ozzie just suddenly dropped to the bottom of the stats or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salviaman 104 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 THE SKY! IT IS FALLING! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 We should all take a lesson from Karen Newman and support our greatest assets, giving them a boost as needed, especially as they age. Go Dom! Go Ozzie! The best pair on the ice at the Joe! Gross! I... suddenly can't think of Dom and Ozzie anymore. Oh, my brain, how it burns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Bad luck has nothing to do with it. Ozzie was just working hard for the big payday and the ASG recognition. Once that was accomplished, he decided to take it easy. I don't really believe that of course. It seems obvious to me that Babcock's refusal to name him as the No. 1 starter despite the fact that he's been the best goaltender in the league this season, coupled with Hasek's recent luck has rattled him a bit. The best thing the team can do right now is let him play himself back into shape. They need to quit the every other day nonsense and let Ozzie start a few games in a row. That stupid rotation did nothing but cool off his hot streak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltgator333 3 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Osgood's luck has ran out- for the time being. Luck is part of any goalie's game from what I've ever seen. Really I'd be more questioning where his confidence, and for that matter the confidence of the entire club lies at this point. I disagree with anyone saying that he's playing his best ever, I think he did that with the Islanders. He'll be back, and more importantly so will the Wings. I was really actually looking forward to this happening because I'm really sick of seeing Detroit be on top if not darn close in the regular season. It is the playoffs that matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady in REd 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Ok we all know Ozzies had alot of luck this year and has been playing above his ability, but after watching tonights game I'd say this may be the start of a downward spiral for Ozzie.Hopefully this 3 year deal doesn't come back and haunt us and hopefully Dom stays healthy this year. I knew one of these threads was coming. But no, he might be in a little rut right now but it's only been a couple of games, give him a break. It's way too soon to judge on this and we should wait it out for a couple more games to make any assumptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) Babcock did say that he may start riding Hasek after Thursday's game against Vancouver. He said he hasn't decided if the rotation will continue. That seems a little odd. Didn't Babcock just say last week he was going to alternate Ozzie and Dom through the 60th game of the season? It just doesn't really seem necessary to ride Hasek at the moment. And yeah, I think this thread is awfully pre-mature considering it's been only two mediocre starts by Ozzie. And you can't honestly say the Wings really showed up against Minnesota or Altlanta, so those games cannot be pinned on him. I think suggesting that Ozzie's success has been simply because of luck is pretty unfair; he's played as well as he ever has in the first half of the season. Edited January 16, 2008 by J-Swift Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 We should all take a lesson from Karen Newman and support our greatest assets, giving them a boost as needed, especially as they age. Go Dom! Go Ozzie! The best pair on the ice at the Joe! The main question now from this excellent post is this... Which is the better pair? Hasek and Osgood, or Karen Newman's "Assets"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) I don't really believe that of course. It seems obvious to me that Babcock's refusal to name him as the No. 1 starter despite the fact that he's been the best goaltender in the league this season, coupled with Hasek's recent luck has rattled him a bit. The best thing the team can do right now is let him play himself back into shape. They need to quit the every other day nonsense and let Ozzie start a few games in a row. That stupid rotation did nothing but cool off his hot streak. A rotation between him and Hasek was already well underway and he was winning pretty much all of his games during the rotation until this recent Wings snag. The rotation has done absolutely nothing to cool off any hot streaks since Osgood was playing so well when a rotation was declared a long time ago. It's just a bad stretch of games that pretty much every Wing is going through right now. Edited January 16, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Weird, this article does seem to imply that Babs wanted to put Hasek in after the second goal. But then Osgood said he was surprised by how quick Dom got ready. Who knows.... Babcock did say that he may start riding Hasek after Thursday's game against Vancouver. He said he hasn't decided if the rotation will continue. Edit: A link would probably be helpful. http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...on_may_end.html Reading that it's almost as if Babs was waiting for something like this to happen so he could can Ozzie. Maybe Babs secretly started this thread? Even Osgood knows what his role is on the team this year so it wouldn't surprise me if they quit the rotation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) Is Osgood as bad as he has looked the last 2-3 games? No. Is he as good as he looked up until then? Probably not. The REAL Osgood lies somewhere in between those two. When a goalie has been in the league as long as he has and has a career .907 save percentage, more than likely at the end of the year he will be close to a .907 save percentage. Since he hovered around .930 most of the year, it only makes sense that he will have some bad games to bring it down so it's around his career average by the end of the year. This isn't like baseball where a guy in his mid-to-upper 30's suddenly gets drastically better. If anyone's suprised by this dropoff in play recently, you shouldn't be. There's no way anyone could have expected him to continue on that torrid pace the entire season, imo. Edit: btw, the title of the thread talks about Osgood being "lucky". He hasn't been lucky, he's been good. imo. (and this comes from possibly the biggest Hasek fan this side of Puckloo). Edited January 17, 2008 by therock48880 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yemack 1 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 I don't think Ozzie bombed in his past 2 games. We just didn't pull it off as a team granted, with is style change, Ozzie is better when he can only concentrate to the shooter IMO. sorta like Giguere. He would be a good mentor to Howard next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Luck has nothing to do with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted January 17, 2008 I wasn't able to see either of the games in question but I know there's something rotten in Detroit here. Babs doesn't want to commit to Ozzie, so he was waiting for him to have a bad game or two so he could make Hasek the starter. What Ozzie really needs is to be named the starter and to have the organization put its faith in him. Hasek can't win the Cup for us, but Ozzie can. This lack of faith has really messed up his head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Hasek can't win the Cup for us, but Ozzie can. Is this 100% fact, or a strong opinion? To suggest that one goalie has zero capability to win a Cup for Detroit, when both are very solid #1 guys and both are capable in my mind, is pretty silly. This lack of faith has really messed up his head. How do you know what goes on in Osgood's head? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
