2/23 GDT: Canucks 4, Red Wings 1

[clutchngrab 12]

wings forwards sucks ass. Dats and Hank are gassed because Babs runs them into the ground. Sorry, Drake, Draper, Flip, Huds, Sammy, Maltby are not a cup winning team. This is not an aberation. This has been a one line team for most of the season. Sorry. No cup this year. Either fish or cut bait as they say.

[skacore 2]

wings forwards sucks ass. Dats and Hank are gassed because Babs runs them into the ground. Sorry, Drake, Draper, Flip, Huds, Sammy, Maltby are not a cup winning team. This is not an aberation. This has been a one line team for most of the season. Sorry. No cup this year. Either fish or cut bait as they say.

I agree we need someone to carry another line, Sundin would be great, Forsberg would have been great, Jokinen, whoever... someone who can single handedly create a threat to score when on the ice. Filppula was doing that earlier in the year but now his rushes are all wasted because he takes such high risk offensive chances without going for that key low quality shot that he used to, we would get rebounds, etc.

Draper is playing great IMO, he's skating hard, finishing hits and all over the ice. Drake, Flip, Huds, Kopy are all a step or 2 behind, miss their hits, don't create opportunities, lose battles for pucks...

Samuelsson and Maltby I don't even notice anymore

[Guest Jeremy88]

I didn't get to see the game but 4-1? Damn. Kenny definitely needs to make some big trade at the deadline or Detroit won't even make it to round 2 in the playoffs.

Other than that game in Colorado (which I thought was an easy win), the wings have lost what? 8 in a row? What happened to this team? The Red Wings used to be the guys who had the win before the game even started. Now we're the team anyone can beat.

Injuries, lack of stepping up...lack of secondary scoring...

[FinRedWing 172]

Didn't stay up last night 'cause I knew I could watch this when I wake up.

HNIC starts 10.30 AM here and the game would've started at 5AM.

Sure, losing the defensemen is huge. But can we get a forward who will go to the freakin' net, please?

I loved Lilja's give away in the 1st right in front of the net

Brought back sweet memory's from last year.

Didn't it ever.

The D definitely plays a role there. Our D is doing a good job in our zone, but it's those breakout passes that Lids, Kronner and Raf provide that spark the offense. These young defensemen don't have that with this squad right now and it's hurting the offense.

This is true...

Defense can only do so much, no one is going to the net. They go along the boards, lose the puck, and run back to our own zone.

But so is this.

Our two remaining "veteran" defenceman looked like rookies tonight. Lebda and Lilja's inability to make very simple plays at the blueline essentially put this game away.

God I hope they would make simple plays and not try to stick handle too much.

Lilly showed his technique in the first and why didn't Lebda try to dump the puck in when he saw Kesler coming?

Injuries, lack of stepping up...lack of secondary scoring...

And lack primary scoring too.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Well at least there were no injuries. :beerbuddy:

[puckloo39 5,686]

Well at least there were no injuries. :beerbuddy:

that we know of.

I don't recall the last time I've seen Detroit this beat up. Watching Vancouver celebrate beating the Red Griffins last night made me laugh. But they got the 2 points and we didn't, even if I did think they were stupid for being so proud about it.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

that we know of.

I don't recall the last time I've seen Detroit this beat up. Watching Vancouver celebrate beating the Red Griffins last night made me laugh. But they got the 2 points and we didn't, even if I did think they were stupid for being so proud about it.

Stupid? Theyre fighting for a playoff spot loo, and after playing really crappy for a long stretch theyre now in the midst of a 4 game winning streak that might just save their season. They have every right to be ecstatic with every win no matter who its against or who's out on the other side.

[2probert4 8]

I'm getting closer and closer to ordering Center Ice, and just start to watch the flyers.

ive had enough of ***** play.

They've lost 10 straight now, and have lost Gagne for the season, and Richards for at least 3 weeks. You'll be seeing the Philly Phantoms there, like you are seeing the Grand Rapids boys here.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Stupid? Theyre fighting for a playoff spot loo, and after playing really crappy for a long stretch theyre now in the midst of a 4 game winning streak that might just save their season. They have every right to be ecstatic with every win no matter who its against or who's out on the other side.

Understood, Lou. The reaction was still ridiculous, IMO. Regardless of the circumstances, Canucks acted like they beat the actual Red Wings, not a team with a rookie goalie in net and no defense in front of him. We won't talk about the offense -- it's just too offensive (pun intended).

Of course, Wings fans will probably be just as crass when/if the team gets totally healthy again and stops losing games.

We are in the midst of an epic losing trend ourselves. Dallas is only 6 points behind us. Better times are inevitable, though. So, let's all hone those over-the-top, unwarranted, in-your-face celebrations, for when the Red Wings stomp some devastated team in the near future!

[2probert4 8]

Stupid? Theyre fighting for a playoff spot loo, and after playing really crappy for a long stretch theyre now in the midst of a 4 game winning streak that might just save their season. They have every right to be ecstatic with every win no matter who its against or who's out on the other side.

The Nucks are Luongo and the Sedin twins and a group of grinders. 2 of the goals were from the defenseman fumbling pucks, to be honest the Nucks are in worse shape than the Wings when it comes to scoring. They are cap challenged and don't have much to give in return to get some scoring.

[2probert4 8]

Understood, Lou. The reaction was still ridiculous, IMO. Regardless of the circumstances, Canucks acted like they beat the actual Red Wings, not a team with a rookie goalie in net and no defense in front of him. We won't talk about the offense -- it's just too offensive (pun intended).

Of course, Wings fans will probably be just as crass when/if the team gets totally healthy again and stops losing games.

We are in the midst of an epic losing trend ourselves. Dallas is only 6 points behind us. Better times are inevitable, though. So, let's all hone those over-the-top, unwarranted, in-your-face celebrations, for when the Red Wings stomp some devastated team in the near future!

The Canuck games are a sign of social status in Vancouver, most of the people are there to be seen, and don't know much about the sport. It's similar to the Joe, where the lower bowl is corporate seats, used to entertain clients, etc. They also think Edler is on par with Lidstrom for some ignorant reason. Poor Luongo must be thinking that this is just like Florida, a team that is a border line playoff team at best.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

that we know of.

I don't recall the last time I've seen Detroit this beat up. Watching Vancouver celebrate beating the Red Griffins last night made me laugh. But they got the 2 points and we didn't, even if I did think they were stupid for being so proud about it.

I read your other posts, and 2 probert4's too.

I know it's human nature to put down your opponent after they've just handed you your ass, make excuses, etc., whatever, but you appear to be suggesting that the game last night meant something slightly less than a cross between a team scrimmage and a pre-season exhibition game. It didn't. It's a regular season game and we got the 2 points. I mean what the f*** -- you want us to act all dejected that we beat the Wings? Besides, Vancouver has proven that a team can actually be dangerous and win games when decimated by injuries, so why would we give the Wings a pass in any way at all? It seems to me you're dropping your buttered toast on the floor a lot lately, (9 out of every 10 times?) and you don't like the fact that it's landing butter-side down. Also, how long have the Wings been stinking up the NHL now, and how long have they been decimated by injuries? Do those 2 events coincide? I'm not too sure about that.

Most of you guys know I think this is a class forum and the best in the NHL, but boy you really find out the measure of a teams fans when they start losing.

Edited February 24, 2008 by One of the Few

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I'm tired of using injuries as an excuse for why this team sucks. The truth is they started this losing skid about 3 weeks ago, when the 2nd line stopped playing, the defensemen started turning the puck over(before they got hurt), and the goalies stopped making saves in key moments. There's clearly something seriously wrong with this team, and it isn't just injuries. Hopefully a deadline acquisition will at least wake up the dead on this team right now.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I read your other posts, and 2 probert4's too.

I know it's human nature to put down your opponent after they've just handed you your ass, make excuses, etc., whatever, but you appear to be suggesting that the game last night meant something slightly less than a cross between a team scrimmage and a pre-season exhibition game. It didn't. It's a regular season game and we got the 2 points. I mean what the f*** -- you want us to act all dejected that we beat the Wings? Besides, Vancouver has proven that a team can actually be dangerous and win games when decimated by injuries, so why would we give the Wings a pass in any way at all? It seems to me you're dropping your buttered toast on the floor a lot lately, (9 out of every 10 times?) and you don't like the fact that it's landing butter-side down. Also, how long have the Wings been stinking up the NHL now, and how long have they been decimated by injuries? Do those 2 events coincide? I'm not too sure about that.

Most of you guys know I think this is a class forum and the best in the NHL, but boy you really find out the measure of a teams fans when they start losing.

You didn't. That's the whole point.

[eva unit zero 271]

Besides, Vancouver has proven that a team can actually be dangerous and win games when decimated by injuries

Now to be fair, Detroit has more All-Star caliber defensemen injured right now than Vancouver has had on their roster in the past ten years. So don't hold it against me if I feel you don't quite fathom the level of injuries affecting the Wings right now.

[chrisdetroit 189]

I'm tired of using injuries as an excuse for why this team sucks. The truth is they started this losing skid about 3 weeks ago, when the 2nd line stopped playing, the defensemen started turning the puck over(before they got hurt), and the goalies stopped making saves in key moments. There's clearly something seriously wrong with this team, and it isn't just injuries. Hopefully a deadline acquisition will at least wake up the dead on this team right now.

Did you watch any of the games or are you just reading the headlines. Let's look at those games we lost:

LA - we had the game in control and didn't show up for the 3rd period. Bad third period, ok it happens

Toronto - lost in OT. Obviously one bounce of the puck and we win. Pretty even game

Mighty Ducks - we lose by 1 goal because of a horrendous call by the officials. A very close high tempo game

Nashville - a horrendous performance on our part. Maybe we are still thinking about the Duckies

Columbus - 2nd horrendous performance

Dallas - a 1-0 loss on a fluke goal in another good performance

Colorado - a 4-0 blow out by the Wings

Calgary - another 1-0 tough loss. At this point our defense has been renamed the Red Griffins. A very good performance by the boys from Grand Rapids

Vancouver - a tight game until the 3rd when the inexperience of the Giffins catches up to us.

This team does NOT suck. We've had 3 bad performances in which we had some key injuries, 1 bad performance by the boys from GR and 4 games that we lost by 1 goal on bad breaks.

I know that injuries and bad breaks are part of the game but it is ignorant to jump off the bandwagon when they show up.

As far as your dream about deadline acuisitions riding in on white horses, forget it.

We are NOT going to get Hossa, Sundin or Blake. They are all way too expensive and we are not willing to get into a bidding war.

[lfd250 1]

Did you watch any of the games or are you just reading the headlines. Let's look at those games we lost:

LA - we had the game in control and didn't show up for the 3rd period. Bad third period, ok it happens

Toronto - lost in OT. Obviously one bounce of the puck and we win. Pretty even game

Mighty Ducks - we lose by 1 goal because of a horrendous call by the officials. A very close high tempo game

Nashville - a horrendous performance on our part. Maybe we are still thinking about the Duckies

Columbus - 2nd horrendous performance

Dallas - a 1-0 loss on a fluke goal in another good performance

Colorado - a 4-0 blow out by the Wings

Calgary - another 1-0 tough loss. At this point our defense has been renamed the Red Griffins. A very good performance by the boys from Grand Rapids

Vancouver - a tight game until the 3rd when the inexperience of the Giffins catches up to us.

This team does NOT suck. We've had 3 bad performances in which we had some key injuries, 1 bad performance by the boys from GR and 4 games that we lost by 1 goal on bad breaks.

I know that injuries and bad breaks are part of the game but it is ignorant to jump off the bandwagon when they show up.

As far as your dream about deadline acuisitions riding in on white horses, forget it.

We are NOT going to get Hossa, Sundin or Blake. They are all way too expensive and we are not willing to get into a bidding war.

I like your post, but we just aren't scoring, shooting or getting it done. The threat of a guy being moved hasn't motivated huds or flips to step up. Everyone seems to be blameing the D. It's a lot easier to work with a lead then be afraid to make a mistake and put your team behind. So may be (if the price is right) it's time to move one of the two for a Hossa or Sundin. Heck I'd take fed's right now.

[96Homer 0]

I'm tired of using injuries as an excuse for why this team sucks. The truth is they started this losing skid about 3 weeks ago, when the 2nd line stopped playing, the defensemen started turning the puck over(before they got hurt), and the goalies stopped making saves in key moments. There's clearly something seriously wrong with this team, and it isn't just injuries. Hopefully a deadline acquisition will at least wake up the dead on this team right now.

I totally agree, finally someone sees that it's not just injuries. I'm really getting fed up with how this team plays for Howard. The poor kid can't even get a win in Detroit. Ugg it really frustrates me to see this! Like another poster said, how can the griffins win when half their team is up here, and the wings can't. First line REALLY needs to step it up big time along with the rest of the team. If there isn't anything addressed at the trade deadline I fear for us all.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Did you watch any of the games or are you just reading the headlines. Let's look at those games we lost:

LA - we had the game in control and didn't show up for the 3rd period. Bad third period, ok it happens

Toronto - lost in OT. Obviously one bounce of the puck and we win. Pretty even game

Mighty Ducks - we lose by 1 goal because of a horrendous call by the officials. A very close high tempo game

Nashville - a horrendous performance on our part. Maybe we are still thinking about the Duckies

Columbus - 2nd horrendous performance

Dallas - a 1-0 loss on a fluke goal in another good performance

Colorado - a 4-0 blow out by the Wings

Calgary - another 1-0 tough loss. At this point our defense has been renamed the Red Griffins. A very good performance by the boys from Grand Rapids

Vancouver - a tight game until the 3rd when the inexperience of the Giffins catches up to us.

This team does NOT suck. We've had 3 bad performances in which we had some key injuries, 1 bad performance by the boys from GR and 4 games that we lost by 1 goal on bad breaks.

I know that injuries and bad breaks are part of the game but it is ignorant to jump off the bandwagon when they show up.

As far as your dream about deadline acuisitions riding in on white horses, forget it.

We are NOT going to get Hossa, Sundin or Blake. They are all way too expensive and we are not willing to get into a bidding war.

Teams are judged based on wins and losses, not the reasons for those wins and losses. Your post put an ultra-positive spin on things, which I guess is the exact opposite of my post. You should write columns for the Leafs, you would make every loss sound great this way. They'd forget about all their problems. The bottom line is that the Wings deserved to lose all those games (except for the Ducks game). Those games we lost 1-0, yeah we lost on a fluke goal, but the bottom line is that the Wings scored 0 goals in those games. That means the offense was sucking in those games. Whatever it is, as I stated earlier, it started way before the injuries began.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

Now to be fair, Detroit has more All-Star caliber defensemen injured right now than Vancouver has had on their roster in the past ten years. So don't hold it against me if I feel you don't quite fathom the level of injuries affecting the Wings right now.

At one point we had Mitchell, Bieksa, Ohlund and Salo all out and still found a way to win. None of them may be the calibre of Lidstrom, but that's beyond ridiculous. Don't complain to a Canucks fan about injuries. We know all about it. Complain about the refs last night instead. Well, maybe that's not a good idea.

[Yemack 1]

I read your other posts, and 2 probert4's too.

I know it's human nature to put down your opponent after they've just handed you your ass, make excuses, etc., whatever, but you appear to be suggesting that the game last night meant something slightly less than a cross between a team scrimmage and a pre-season exhibition game. It didn't. It's a regular season game and we got the 2 points. I mean what the f*** -- you want us to act all dejected that we beat the Wings? Besides, Vancouver has proven that a team can actually be dangerous and win games when decimated by injuries, so why would we give the Wings a pass in any way at all? It seems to me you're dropping your buttered toast on the floor a lot lately, (9 out of every 10 times?) and you don't like the fact that it's landing butter-side down. Also, how long have the Wings been stinking up the NHL now, and how long have they been decimated by injuries? Do those 2 events coincide? I'm not too sure about that.

Most of you guys know I think this is a class forum and the best in the NHL, but boy you really find out the measure of a teams fans when they start losing.

we were dominating the league. So I guess there is alot of difference between having them or not? Or are you implying that Canucks are a better team?

By the way, nice shot at entire Red Wings fan here in this forum at the end. I guess that makes you classy as hell.

[2probert4 8]

I read your other posts, and 2 probert4's too.

I know it's human nature to put down your opponent after they've just handed you your ass, make excuses, etc., whatever, but you appear to be suggesting that the game last night meant something slightly less than a cross between a team scrimmage and a pre-season exhibition game. It didn't. It's a regular season game and we got the 2 points. I mean what the f*** -- you want us to act all dejected that we beat the Wings? Besides, Vancouver has proven that a team can actually be dangerous and win games when decimated by injuries, so why would we give the Wings a pass in any way at all? It seems to me you're dropping your buttered toast on the floor a lot lately, (9 out of every 10 times?) and you don't like the fact that it's landing butter-side down. Also, how long have the Wings been stinking up the NHL now, and how long have they been decimated by injuries? Do those 2 events coincide? I'm not too sure about that.

Most of you guys know I think this is a class forum and the best in the NHL, but boy you really find out the measure of a teams fans when they start losing.

If you think Vancouver is a better team / org than the Wings, youre stupid. Of course they should have beat us last night, the defensive corps are a mess right now. Saying that they aren't that great of a team is the truth, and even their OWN tv guys said that the Nucks are needing secondary scoring help. Im the one that gets ripped here for daring to say that some of the Wings players are crap, or some of the players these fans are wanting to bring back shouldnt come back. Are the Wings losing right now ? Sure they are... Will it be OK when the injured heal up and return....YEP. Will Vancouver be more than a one round and done team NO. Luongo is their only hope.

[2probert4 8]

Now to be fair, Detroit has more All-Star caliber defensemen injured right now than Vancouver has had on their roster in the past ten years. So don't hold it against me if I feel you don't quite fathom the level of injuries affecting the Wings right now.

You know Ev, there are social fans, and then there are real fans. Real fans watch the other teams play besides the Wings. Nucks should have beaten us last night without having to rely upon stupid turnovers and 2 good plays by Kesler. Howard didn't have much help in front of him at times. But Vancouver is still a team that is not at the level of the Wings when the Wings are not injured. Honestly they can't hold our jock.

[2probert4 8]

At one point we had Mitchell, Bieksa, Ohlund and Salo all out and still found a way to win. None of them may be the calibre of Lidstrom, but that's beyond ridiculous. Don't complain to a Canucks fan about injuries. We know all about it. Complain about the refs last night instead. Well, maybe that's not a good idea.

Mitchell = hack

Ohlund I'll give you that one

Bieksa is decent, Edler stepped in for that so its a wash.

Salo - another Lilja who will actually shoot the puck.

Lidstrom and Rafalski - the top 2 defenseman in scoring in the NHL.

Kronwall - top 2 pairing in Vancouver, he was having probably his best season prior to his injury

Chelios - it hurts due to depth issues.

Also add in that Quincey and Ericsson have less than 20 games NHL experiance, another guy in Stafford his 1st game, Meech getting his first time as a top pairing dman. They dont have any time at all with each other, so they dont know where anyone will be, aka chemistry. Nucks still struggled last night with all of that going in their favor. Yep great team up there in BC....Yep

[Chairman Maouth 97]

Mitchell = hack

Brilliant! I'll buy that! And Osgood has underachieved this year!

Nucks still struggled last night with all of that going in their favor. Yep great team up there in BC....Yep

Exactly. A definitive win over the Wings would have meant a 6 goal difference in the score. As it stands, we "struggled" and only beat you by 3.

ROFLMAO!

(It's been years since I've said "ROFLMAO", but if ever there was a time, now is it)

Edited February 24, 2008 by One of the Few