Rush 7 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 He's the best GM in the NHL. Dont quote me saying "No Kenny!!!!". Ken hasnt won a cup since 02, if he wins this year, I'd say he was the best GM. In any case, there 1-2 in the NHL as far as GM's go. Because he finally won a cup? One Cup? His whole carrer has been a failure and one Cup erases everything and makes him the best? Honestly I'm sorry but with this logic then the NHL has a new 'Best GM' every year a different team wins the Stanley Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I guess Burke can manage a team pretty well. That doesn't change the fact that he's a whiny *****. "Waaaah, you claimed our player off waivers, we're not friends anymore" "OMG we need to make penalties 1 minute long in OT, it's not fair that my team gets so many penalties!!!" Brian Burke is a piece of s***. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Brain Burke is one of the best GM's in the NHL. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Brain Burke is one of the best GM's in the NHL. Period. And he's a whiny *****. You forgot that part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jim3033 1 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Brain Burke is one of the best GM's in the NHL. Period. He can get it done on paper. But he's not a very classy guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 He can get it done on paper. But he's not a very classy guy. He's a classy guy for the Ducks organisation. I guess that's what counts. He's a GM, not mother Theresa.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 He's a GM, not mother Theresa.. I guess I missed the part where he was compared to a saint. I thought we were all in agreement he was a GM in the NHL. Most of us think he's a whiny POS. It's not to say he's not good at his job, just a whiny POS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Not an expert on hockey GMs here, since my take on them is based on the teams I am most familiar with, Detroit, Dallas, and Buffalo. They don't come any classier than Ken Holland and Darcy Regier. Bob Gainey (formerly GM in Dallas) was an awesome guy, too. Burke doesn't come to mind when I make comparisons with these men. He's on the very far end of the spectrum of "classy guy." But, he does fit the mold in Anaheim (or perhaps he created it), so I guess that's great. He's a whiner and an opportunistic jerk most of the time, even when he turns out to be 'right' and his manuevering results in victory for his team. Just like his team. Leadership is top down, so there you have it. If all one cares about is the win, then Burke's the guy you want. Just be sure and step out of the way when things don't work out for him. He will go all Bobby-Knight on you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Don't forget that he's a bit of a media ***** too. He always feels the need to insert his two cents into a discussion on, well, anything. And the media, foolishly, grants his wish. You don't see Ken Holland in every article about ANYTHING on TSN; Brian Burke, though, he's got soundbytes popping up at least a couple times a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Hello there from some one who reads daily for inside scoops but never decided to post untill now. On to my topic and something that honestly erks me a bit. Brian Burke, I don't like him very much. Yes he has done a good job manipulating the system this year, speaks his mind, and won 'a' cup. Good for him. The guy never did sh!t untill last year so why does he get so much credit for being such a 'mastermind? Not that hes done a bad job (obviously) since being in Anaheim, I just don't think he deserves to be hailed as much as he is around here, of all places. Burke walked in and took advantage of the castle that Bryan Murray built. He's an idiot and as with Vancouver, the team will start realizing what a tool he is and he'll have to go elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Burke walked in and took advantage of the castle that Bryan Murray built. He's an idiot and as with Vancouver, the team will start realizing what a tool he is and he'll have to go elsewhere. I find it funny how much discredit Burke gets these days. Especially since last season's WCFinals. The bottom line is winning and Burke wins. He doesn't win it all the time but neither does Kenny. Look at some of the comments people are making that he inherited the pieces and so on and so forth. Ok, fair enough. But was it so long ago that Wings fans themselves used to comment about how Kenny wasn't that great and that he only won because of Illitch's blank check. And that Jimmy D and Bowman were the orchestrators of our success and Holland just inherited a great team. I didn't buy the BS excuses people made to knock down Ken Holland and I don't buy the BS excuses they use to knock down Brian Burke. Brian Burke doesn't play nice. He plays to win. I for one don't hate the man any more than I do anybody else we're rivals against. But he's still great at what he does and call him a media ***** if you want, people around the league listen to Brian Burke. He has alot more pull and alot more rank than most of the other GM's in the league. Kenny is a class guy. Burke is a no bulls*** guy. They're both winners so why do we keep trying to say their teams win in spite of them instead of saying their teams win because of them? Its ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I find it funny how much discredit Burke gets these days. Especially since last season's WCFinals. The bottom line is winning and Burke wins. He doesn't win it all the time but neither does Kenny. Look at some of the comments people are making that he inherited the pieces and so on and so forth. Ok, fair enough. But was it so long ago that Wings fans themselves used to comment about how Kenny wasn't that great and that he only won because of Illitch's blank check. And that Jimmy D and Bowman were the orchestrators of our success and Holland just inherited a great team. I didn't buy the BS excuses people made to knock down Ken Holland and I don't buy the BS excuses they use to knock down Brian Burke. Brian Burke doesn't play nice. He plays to win. I for one don't hate the man any more than I do anybody else we're rivals against. But he's still great at what he does and call him a media ***** if you want, people around the league listen to Brian Burke. He has alot more pull and alot more rank than most of the other GM's in the league. Kenny is a class guy. Burke is a no bulls*** guy. They're both winners so why do we keep trying to say their teams win in spite of them instead of saying their teams win because of them? Its ridiculous. Bowman also emptied our farm system in trading for veterans, something he did with Pittsburgh and Buffalo. Holland built that up. Bowman walked in on a good team, built by Bryan Murray. People act like Burke built a dynasty or something in Vancouver, they had a crap goalie, and benefitted from Milbury trading Bertuzzi for Trevor Linden, who was going back to Vancouver anyways. They had a window to make a run and Burke couldn't or wouldn't get more players to perhaps get to the Finals. Thats part of it, but Burke isn't the genius people give him credit to me. Randy Carlysle is a good coach in Anaheim, but Burke is just riding the coattails. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rush 7 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 People act like Burke built a dynasty or something in Vancouver, they had a crap goalie, and benefitted from Milbury trading Bertuzzi for Trevor Linden, who was going back to Vancouver anyways. They had a window to make a run and Burke couldn't or wouldn't get more players to perhaps get to the Finals. Thats part of it, but Burke isn't the genius people give him credit to me. Randy Carlysle is a good coach in Anaheim, but Burke is just riding the coattails. THANK YOU! As far as I can gather the general consensus around here is if your the GM of the current Champs your the best! People seem to forget how terrible this man was not too long ago in Vancouver. You can't just say 'He knows how to win, period.' leave it at that and act like you've just made the end all point to any argument to the contrary. The guy has had ONE successful season!! I'm not so easily convinced, give it 10 more years maybe? Because his 10 years prior to last year were HORRIBLE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Bowman also emptied our farm system in trading for veterans, something he did with Pittsburgh and Buffalo. Holland built that up. Bowman walked in on a good team, built by Bryan Murray. People act like Burke built a dynasty or something in Vancouver, they had a crap goalie, and benefitted from Milbury trading Bertuzzi for Trevor Linden, who was going back to Vancouver anyways. They had a window to make a run and Burke couldn't or wouldn't get more players to perhaps get to the Finals. Thats part of it, but Burke isn't the genius people give him credit to me. Randy Carlysle is a good coach in Anaheim, but Burke is just riding the coattails. Vancouver was also a bottom half of the league team in terms of spending in Burke's last few years in Vancouver. Holland had twice the money to work with. Who knows what the Canucks couldve done with a bigger bankroll. The cap era is the only fair way to evaluate GM's as its a level playing field. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I wish Holland would start stealing some of the Ducks enfocers, much like they've stolen our former scrubs. Both Fedoruk and Shawn Thornton would have been good acquisitions this past offseason. An eye for an eye, that's my philosophy to Burke's obsession over former Wings players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 The bottom line is winning and Burke wins. Yeah, it's amazing he can even shake hands with all those rings from Vancouver on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 (edited) Not an expert on hockey GMs here, since my take on them is based on the teams I am most familiar with, Detroit, Dallas, and Buffalo. They don't come any classier than Ken Holland and Darcy Regier. Bob Gainey (formerly GM in Dallas) was an awesome guy, too. Burke doesn't come to mind when I make comparisons with these men. He's on the very far end of the spectrum of "classy guy." But, he does fit the mold in Anaheim (or perhaps he created it), so I guess that's great. He's a whiner and an opportunistic jerk most of the time, even when he turns out to be 'right' and his manuevering results in victory for his team. Just like his team. Leadership is top down, so there you have it. If all one cares about is the win, then Burke's the guy you want. Just be sure and step out of the way when things don't work out for him. He will go all Bobby-Knight on you! Darcy Regier?? I guess if you are just talking class. I don't know how "classy" the fans consider him, beings he lost both Drury and Briere for nothing last year, and can't seem to hang on to Campbell either. Edited February 24, 2008 by rage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sverige 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I think it would be best to save judgment until after this year and see if he can manage with the cap. I truly believe Scotty Niedermayer was the "missing piece" and the Ducks really are not even a playoff team without him. Brian Burke had absolutely NOTHING to do with Scotty going to the Ducks, he wanted his brother to win the cup and knew his brother could never do it without him. A monkey could have gotten Scotty to sign with the Ducks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rush 7 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Yeah, it's amazing he can even shake hands with all those rings from Vancouver on... haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 (edited) Darcy Regier?? I guess if you are just talking class. I don't know how "classy" the fans consider him, beings he lost both Drury and Briere for nothing last year, and can't seem to hang on to Campbell either. Briere and Drury were both extremely overpaid by their respective teams that signed them, and are both having pretty mediocre seasons. Buffalo get's the luxery of having cap space, something he wouldn't have had they signed Briere to that 8-10 million dollar contract. Edited February 24, 2008 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 The Ducks are highly favored to win buy, be given the Cup. End of story. fixed it... oops, that's the NHL's job! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaymister 71 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 The Ducks are highly favored to win the Cup. End of story. Glad it's not us for once. I hope they get swept in the first round. Frickin assholes, though i seriously don't feel confident about matching up with them in the playoffs. Detroit needs help up front with size(Sundin please) and a tough stay at home on the back end(man i wish Volchenkov was available). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I don't give any credit to Brian Burke for Anaheim's success. The Duck's winning ways and ridiculously good looking future is thanks to the Edmonton Oilers and Kevin Lowe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Toledo 233 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I think I finally realized what a jerk he is last year during the YoungStars game. He was being asked what he thought of Getzlaf playing alongside other young talent and said something to the tune of, "I'm not answering that. I don't want to talk about MY players with those on another team." Really uncalled for, if you ask me. As far as being a GM, it seems like he's trying to manipulate the system to operate under the pre-cap idea of "buying" a team. Anaheim is a team mostly made of goons. And they take way too many penalties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest octopusdank Report post Posted February 24, 2008 ron wilson must be laying low this year, people around here always have something to say about him (dont get me wrong i hate him too, especially since he predicted the sharks to win the cup in the off season... HAHA) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites