Gutierrez 7 Report post Posted March 15, 2008 I was watching the top 10 draft picks of the 1989 entry draft on NHL Network and 3 red wings were in the top 10 including Vladimir Konstantinov at number 9, Federov at 3, and Lidstrom at 2. Others were Bure at 1, and Sundin , Irbe, Kolzig. Has anybody else seen these top 10 things on there before? There pretty cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted March 15, 2008 Bure over Lidstrom and Fedorov? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gutierrez 7 Report post Posted March 15, 2008 Yea I had to laugh on that one lol. No way Bure tops Lidstrom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 Bure over Lidstrom and Fedorov? Lidstrom definitely over Bure. Federov and Bure are closer, I don't know if I would have him that high over Feds. Bure was a better goal scorer- but there is something to be said for someone who can actually play a full season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 except, Bure at his best was a beast and skill-wise was a monster. you can compare him to Ovechkin but I'm not sure if Alex win this comparison. does he top Fedorov? hands down he does skillwise. Lidstrom? tough call. I like team players and leaders more than just skilled scorers so my nod goes to Nick but that's everything but obvious. Bure was unlucky to end his career early. but he is definitely the top crop of what Mother Russia ever delivered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) Did Bure have a better career than Lids or Federov?...Obviously not, I think the reason he was picked as the top draft pick of 1989 is because he was drafted 113th overall...bit of a steal I would say. On the flip side I guess you could say Lidstrom at 53rd overall and Federov at 74th overall were steals too. Edited March 16, 2008 by puckbags Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Danny 155 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 Neat post. Regardless of Bure's placement relative to Fedorov and Lidstrom, I think everyone on the planet can agree that the Red Wings had the best draft overall that year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 except, Bure at his best was a beast and skill-wise was a monster. you can compare him to Ovechkin but I'm not sure if Alex win this comparison. does he top Fedorov? hands down he does skillwise. Lidstrom? tough call. I like team players and leaders more than just skilled scorers so my nod goes to Nick but that's everything but obvious. Bure was unlucky to end his career early. but he is definitely the top crop of what Mother Russia ever delivered. I love your avatar. Parker is probably the only divealanche player that I've ever actually liked. Too bad about all the injuries, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 That's probably the best draft a team has ever had. The Wings drafted six bona-fide NHL players that year: Sillinger, Boughner, Lidstrom, Fedorov, Drake, and Konstantinov. The rest of their picks never stuck in the NHL but six out of fourteen is very good, especially considering Lidstrom, Fedorov, and Konstantinov are/would be sure-fire HOF'ers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Danny 155 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 sidetrack Parker is the only Av you've liked? You never had any warm fuzzies for Sakic? Just curious. Despite the logo on his chest, he's exactly the kind of player that Detroit loves, IMO -- hard working, quiet leader, great longevity, classy off the ice, etc. /sidetrack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 sidetrack Parker is the only Av you've liked? You never had any warm fuzzies for Sakic? Just curious. Despite the logo on his chest, he's exactly the kind of player that Detroit loves, IMO -- hard working, quiet leader, great longevity, classy off the ice, etc. /sidetrack Sakic is someone I've never hated, but that doesn't mean that I like him. He's just hard to hate. Parker I like. His problem has been playing for douchebag coaches and playing in this "new NHL". Anyway, that's about all the pro-divealanche comments that I'll make for one evening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 I would put Bure 4th on that list behind Lidstrom, Sundin, and Fedorov. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackhawksFan 4 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 Parker is the only Av you've liked? You never had any warm fuzzies for Sakic? Just curious. Despite the logo on his chest, he's exactly the kind of player that Detroit loves, IMO -- hard working, quiet leader, great longevity, classy off the ice, etc. Those qualities sound like the kind of player that any team would like. Not just Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 My top ten.... Sundin Guerin Kolzig Holik Foote Brisebois Lidstrom Fedorov Bure Konstantinov Honorable mention.... Sillinger Draper Irbe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) Uhhh Bure totally is better then Fedorov, but Lidstrom is maybe the best player at his position ever soooooo. Yeah. I am sorry but Fedorov is not better the Bure, so yeah if you think so you are just a homer. Edited March 16, 2008 by Majsheppard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 I am sorry but Fedorov is not better the Bure, so yeah if you think so you are just a homer. Why? Fedorov won two Selke's, a Hart, a Pearson, and three Cups. Plus, he's obviously stronger in the longevity department. Bure was better at goal scoring. That's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theman19 47 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) people have this really weird habit of seeing a player go a little past there prime and that instantly negates they're greatness. If Federov retires in 2003 instead of going to the ducks,...we're not having this argument, we're talking about his number in the rafters at the joe. Federov in his prime was the most complete player in the world, hence the hart trophy and numerous other awards. Just because he's a shell of his former self doesn't mean in 1994 he wasn't the best player in the NHL (who did he beat out for that hart? oh yeah, bure) i mean did you guys never see bure play in Florida? Edited March 16, 2008 by theman19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashenhigh 9 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) Why? Fedorov won two Selke's, a Hart, a Pearson, and three Cups. Plus, he's obviously stronger in the longevity department. Bure was better at goal scoring. That's it. thats all you need.... Edited March 16, 2008 by ashenhigh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theman19 47 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 thats all you need.... No, No it's not. There's a reason Bure's Nucks never won a cup. There's also a reason we never won a cup before Scotty Bowman brought a more defensive style to Detroit. Steve Yzerman was one of the best offensive Talents of the 80's i could show you video's of some highlight goals from him too. He didn't become the legend that he is however, until he also became one of the best two way players of the 90's and 2000's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashenhigh 9 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 Steve Yzerman was one of the best offensive Talents of the 80's i could show you video's of some highlight goals from him too. He didn't become the legend that he is however, until he also became one of the best two way players of the 90's and 2000's. Please dont try and give me a lesson on Stevie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 Please dont try and give me a lesson on Stevie. It appears that you may need one!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 There's a reason Bure's Nucks never won a cup. (...) you're comparing different types of players. I too like all-around players more, but discarding those who have immense scoring touch only because they miss other factors of the game... there may be some analogy in comparing Bure and Fedorov to the current pair: Ovechkin and Crosby. most people pick Crosby because his all-around play, but it's not unfair if someone picks AO first. and it's not exactly his fault that he plays for Caps where there's little hope of post-season success Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theman19 47 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) you're comparing different types of players. I too like all-around players more, but discarding those who have immense scoring touch only because they miss other factors of the game... there may be some analogy in comparing Bure and Fedorov to the current pair: Ovechkin and Crosby. most people pick Crosby because his all-around play, but it's not unfair if someone picks AO first. and it's not exactly his fault that he plays for Caps where there's little hope of post-season success True, but in the same token of you can't discard Sergi's immense defensive skills that compliment his incredible offensive talents. Bure didn't play for a team anywhere close to the caps (at least later one, when they went to the 94 finals) and while he was probably the best pure goal scorer the NHL has ever seen, I think Sergi is the better player. Not only that, but the league as a whole seems to agree with me given Sergi's hard wear and Bure's lack there of (minus his three rocket richards). Now i'm not saying that hardwear makes the player, but the Hart trophy is a different matter. Sergi has one. Not only that but his Pearson award,....given by the players themselves speaks volumes too. Furthermore, Federov in his prime was a constant 30 goal scorer and his highest goals for total is 56 in 94. That same year, Bure scored his highest total for goals (tying the previous year) of 60. Bure hit 50 and above many more times than sergi who never did it again but then sergi has to play defense to go along with his 30 goals a season. So it's not like Federov is like comparing apples to oranges, both could score and score very well. It's not like one was a Defensive stalward and one was a great goal scorer. One was a great goal scorer and the other one was BOTH. Edited March 16, 2008 by theman19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theman19 47 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) Please dont try and give me a lesson on Stevie. Well if you don't insult my hockey intellgence by saying something so sweeping and general as "offense is all you need" then i won't insult your's anymore by reminding you that you don't. Edited March 16, 2008 by theman19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 16, 2008 No, No it's not. There's a reason Bure's Nucks never won a cup. There's also a reason we never won a cup before Scotty Bowman brought a more defensive style to Detroit. Steve Yzerman was one of the best offensive Talents of the 80's i could show you video's of some highlight goals from him too. He didn't become the legend that he is however, until he also became one of the best two way players of the 90's and 2000's. Yzerman was a very good defensive forward when Bowman was still coach in Buffalo. Bure was never anything other than a defensive liability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
