Who's Number shouhld Get retired? All NHL?

[Tane 17]

Thinkingabout Trevor Linden, playing possibly his Last ghame for Vancouver. I just checked, he only has 895 Points, this being his 19th year in the leage. that's an average of just over 50 points a year. not spectacular. But really, he's been the Face of the Canucks franchise over the the past 20 years, Even when he wasn't with the team IMO. He never scored 40 goals, and his best year, (95-96) he had 87 points. will his Jersey Be up in the Rafters? I think so, here's some other potential players for other teams.

Let's see some replies with yes or no, next to each name, with reasons if you want.

Anaheim - Only potential players I think would be Kariya and Selanne. Kariya was the original Face of the Franchise, Played 9 years for them, and no one will ever forget what he did for them in the 03 Playoffs.

Selanne Spent 6 years with the team during his original run, and now is in year number nine. Not so much the Face of the Franchise as Kariya, But Scored 50 goals twice for them, and Did win a Stanley cup with them. whether Selanne REtired last year, this year, or even plays another year, i think you'll remember him as a duck.

Atlanta. Kovalchuck

He's played 6 years. If he were to Get traded in the Off Season (not going to happen) Has he done enough in a thrashers jersey? If he plays another 3-4 years for Atlanta, He'd Be a lock, if they have any success. but more often than not, a great Player on a Bad team, hardly ever gets the credit they deserve.

Boston. Only Potential Players I can think of are Oates and thornton. Didn't play for them long enough IMO.

Well, Thorton Played 8 seasons for the B's and got 100 points with them. I don't think he played long enough, and too many of those 8 seasons, he wasn't great for them. He played long enough , i guess, but not long enough at a high level.

Oates

Played 6 great years for them. One of the Best centers in their history. I don't think 6 years is Long enough, and in those 6 years, It was ray bourque's team first, Cam neely's team second.

Buffalo.

Hasek.

9 years.

Vezina trophy's, Hart Trophy's a Final's Appearence, All Star Teams, record after Record. It'll happen, if they think 9 years is long enough. IU think he will, but for some reason, I don't feel it as a Shoo-in

calgary.

Theo Fleury - 11 years, 1 Cup, Face of franchise, Captain, 100 points twice, 50 goals once. the Only thing preventing him from getting his number raised is his off-ice troubles. If he could publically turn his life around, and get sdome publicity for it, I think they'll honor him. But as long as he's thought of as a drug addict with a temper, I can't see Calgary retireing #14

Gary Roberts - 10 years, 1 cup, 50 goals once. Great story after commign back after breaking his neck. Was he a big enough star for his number to get retired? I have a feeling if he would have played 4-5 more years as a flame, this wouldn't even be questioned.

Joe Nieuwendyk - 9 years, 1 cup, 50 goals twice. He really was a star, but Was he a big enough star? was he a big enough star for long enough? I tihnk he's really going to be on the bubble.

If Mike vernon had his Number Retired, I can see a case being made for the Above 3.

Jarome Iginla. He'll get it.

Carolina - Brind'Amour. 8 years, Selke Trophy's FoF, Captain. Stanley Cup. assuming this year or next year would be his last year, has he done enough for them already? or did he not put in enough time?

Chicago.

Roenick - 8 years, face of Franchise, 3 50 goal seasons, 2 100 point seasons, 1 stanley cup final. only question is, did he play long enough?

Chelios. -9 years, Norris trophy, 1 cup final, captain Face of franchise, one of the best D-men of his era

Again, did he play long enough? I say he'll be rememberd as aHawk, but also played 7 years in MTL, and 9 more years in det.

Belfour - 9 years- Vezina trophy Calder Trophy, All Star Teams, Face Of Franchise, Cup Final.

did He play Long enough? He left saying Jeff hackett would never be anything but a back up. Possibly stayed around too long, tarnishing his image. lots of Off ice problems.

Colorado.

Sakic - no doubt.

Forsberg. 1 year in Que, this is his 1oth for colorado. Calder, Hart, Art Ross, All Star Teams FoF, 2 cups......If they Retired Roy, the'yll def. retire Forsberg, especially now that he came Back.

Adam Foote. This will be his 14th year with the Franchise. He'll be always remembered as a Nordique/Av. 2 cups, Was reguarded as one of the best D-men in the league, in his prime. Never Really a Superstar though. Has he done enough? He has a chance, because he's come back.

hejduk. He's on his 9th season with the Avs. won a cup, won a Richard Trophy, But greatly over shadowed by Forsberg and Sakic. If he plays another 6 years with the team, he's in IMO, reguardless of his production. But if he ended now?

Columbus - No one.....Nash is on his way though.

Dallas - Modano - No doubt.

Ciccarelli. Based on the Criteria of some of the Other players, Ciccarelli's number make him deserve some consideration. 50 goals twice, 100 points twice, face of franchise. Great Player on a bad team though, will that make people look over him?

Brian Bellows. Same boat as dino, 9 years, 50 goals, lots of 30 and 40 goal seasons, Co FoF with Dino. they Both Put up Better numbers than Neal Broten, but dind't play as long,

Derian Hatcher. 12 years, Captain, Stanley Cup, FoF along with modano. If he would have retired During the lockout, or the year before he signed with Detroit, I'd say No question. If he would have stayed as a Dominant D-0Man after dallas, I'd say no question. Maybe he's stuck around too long and diminished his reputation?

detroit

I don't need to make the arguments for anyone here.

Lidstrom

Fedorov

Shanny

Osgood - (refer tO HOF threads for Ozzie's Argument)

Konstantinov

Edmonton - Kevin Lowe - Was their number 2 D-man, 5 Stanley Cups, FoF, came back and finished in Edmonton, Is now their GM.....Perhaps the only reason They haven't retired his number is because As GM, he hasn't Pushed for himself? I don't know who's call it is to actually make that decision.

Bill Ranford - 10 years. FoF during the 90's, Stanley Cup, conn Smythe.Possibly not long enough on a good team? came Back to finish career in Edm.

Florida - Vanbiesbrouck - FoF, Cup Finals, First Star of the Team. Perhaps Racist Remarks kept him out of the spotlight. Only played 5 years.

Jokinen - 7 years, FoF, captain, 90 points. with all the trade talks surrounding him every year, I doubt he'll stay long enough to get it...but if he sticks with this team, He's got a shot.

LA Kings - rob blake. No question, Now that he's Returned to LA, and didn't want to get Traded last year.

Jari Kurri - Only played 5 years, Cup Final. don't think he made enough of an impact while IN LA.

Minnesota Wild - Gaborik. 7 years, career high of 42 goals this year. Has he done enough yet? I don't think so. Maybe after another year or two.

Montreal - Patrick Roy. Cups, Vezina's Conn Smythe's etc. Left in a bad way, and Has Bad Publicity now.

Nashville - Vokoun. I don't think so, if you wanna make an argument, go ahead.

New Jersey -Scott Niedermayer - Wiki says the Plan was to retire his number earlier this year, but he came back.

Brodeur, no doubt.

John Maclean - 14 Years FoF 1 Cup. I woulnd't know about MaclEan, But I think If daneyko got his Number retired, Maclean deserves it too....he Jsut dind't Play as long As Daneyko.

New York Islanders - I don't think anybody was good enough for Long enough with the Isles. Only Argument could be made for Lafontaine -8 years, 50 goals, 100 points. Actually played longer for the isles than he did for the Sabres, who retired his number.

Rangers - With Graves, Messier, Leetch and Richter getting retired, that covers the Cup team.

Gretzky. No he didn't do much for them, and technically no ranger can wear his number. But I still think his number should be in the Rafters ala Ray bourque with the Avs and Howe With the Whalers.

Ottawa - Alfredsson - 12th year now, he's a lock.

Alexandre Daigle -.......just Kidding.

Philadelphia - Lindros 8 years. Hart, Cup final, all Star team FoF, Captain.

Left in a bad way, was expected to win a cup, didn't, As good as he was, still didn't live up to what he was supposed to be. If he were an 8th round pick, and was traded by bobby clarke's Decision, I tihnk He'd have a better chance.

John LeClair - 10 years, 50 goals twice., cup final, all star teams. FoF.

I'm indifferent either way. Was good when Lindros was good. Wasn't when Lindros Wasn't. Was More popular than Lindros, and flyers fans still love him.

Eric Dsjardins - Captain, FoF - 11 years, Retired a FLyer, Cup Final.

He's an outside shot. if he'd have played 3-4 mpore years with Philly, No Question. Did He do enough?

Phoenix. Keith Tkachuck FoF - 10 years with Franchise, Captain , 50 goals twice.

only played 5 years in Phoenix, By the time he's done and is eligible for his number to be retired, I tihnk Phoenix will have enough of an identity to not really look at the winnipeg days, and That could Hurt Tkachuck.

Teppo nummenen -15 years with Franchise, 7 with Phoenix.

Depends if they consider his Jet Days. If so, yes, if not, no. Might Get some consideration, if he comes Back From Heart Surgery.

Pittsburgh - Jagr. 2 Cups 11 seasons, art ross, hart, all star teams. Did every thing a player could do other than lead them to a cup on his own. Was Really the face of the League when Mario was Gone. he should get it, can't remember if he asked to get traded, or Pitts jsut realized they wern't going to resign him. He'll get it anyways.

Tom Barrasso - 2 cups 12 years, all star team. If they were going to do it, they probably would have by now. I'd put him in Vernon and Richter's class. An Argument can be made either way.

Ron Francis - 8 years, Captain, 2 cups, 100 points twice, Byng (I think), Selke. Over Shadowed by Lemieux and Jagr. Never FoF, Maybe if her would have played 2-3 more years With the Pens

San Jose - Patrick Marleau. 10 years. FoF Over shadowed by thornton, center of trade rumors. If he plays 5-6 more years for them, then yes. If not, If he gets traded this off season, No.

St. Louis. Gretzky - for the same Reasons asNew york.

Chris Pronger - Norris, hart, All star teams, team Captain, FoF. played 9 seasons with the bluies. Maybe it would have taken more, but Maybe he did enough.

Tampa Bay. - Lecavalier - When all is siad and done, he'll get it.

Toronto - They Don't retire numbers but To Be honoured - IMO gilmour and Wendel clark Should Be Locks.

Sundin will get it.

Vancouver - Linden. After seeing guys like Ken Daneyko and Mike Vernon with their numbers Retired, I tihnk Linden will get it. the Face of the Franchise Factor should be enough for him to get it.

Bure - Only 7 years. Best Goal Scoring RW of the 90's twice 60goals, All Star teams, Calder Trophy, Stanley Cup Final. Maybe he didn't play long enough, Injuries really limited his total numbers.

Washington - Bondra 14 years, FoF, 50 goals twice, Cup Finals. He was up there as one of the top scoring wingers for a few years in the late 90's early 2000s. Great PLayer on a bad team syndrome maybe.

Olaf Kolzig - He'll get it - 15 years, Vezina, FoF Cup finals.

Heres a recap

Anaheim

Kariya

Selanne

Atlanta

Kovalchuck

Boston

Thornton

Oates

Buffalo

Hasek

Calgary

Fleury

Nieuwendyk

Roberts

Iginla

Carolina

Brind'Amour

Chicago

Roenick

Chelios

Belfour

Colorado

Sakic

forsberg

Foote

Hejduk

Dallas

Modano

Bellows

Ciccarelli

Lehtinen

Morrow

Detroit

Lidstrom

Osgood

Shanny

Fedorov

Konstantinov

Edmonton

Lowe

Ranford

Ryan Smyth

Florida

Vanbiesbrouck

Jokinen

LA

Blake

Kurri

Minnesota

Gaborik

Montreal

Roy

Nashville

Vokoun

New Jersey

Brodeur

MacLean

NYI

Lafontaine

NYR

gretzky

OTTAWA

Alfredsson

Wade Redden

Philadelphia

Lindros

Desjardins

LeClair

Hextall

Pelle Lindbergh (it's taken out of circulation)

Phoenix

Teppo Nummenin

Keith Tkachuck

San Jose

Marleau

Pat Falloon

St. Louis

Pronger

Tampa Bay

Lecavalier

toronto

Gilmour

Clark

Sundin

Vancouver

Linden

Bure

Washington

Bondra

Kolzig

[Shaman 713]

I believe 19 should be retired league wide, but i may be biased....

[Doggy 130]

Trevor Linden's number will be retired by Vancouver there's no question.

[RedFX 48]

I'd say Lidstrom would probably be the only one on the Wings list.

[Reilly 24]

I'd say Lidstrom would probably be the only one on the Wings list.

You are kidding yourself if you don't think #91 won't be up there at some point.

As for league-wide., #66.

Edited April 6, 2008 by Reilly

[BeeRYCE 2]

Your post is too scattered, too messed up, I got the idea... Didn't read it all, but I scrolled down and had a little glance at something completely messed up... PAT FALLOON?! Number retired by San Jose?! Can you please explain this?

[kylee 727]

You are kidding yourself if you don't think #91 won't be up there at some point.

As for league-wide., #66.

i dont think Feds number should be retired here.

[kylee 727]

i also dont think Chelios will ever get his number retired in Chicago.

for one, he gets booed there every single time he touches the puck, and secondly Brent Seabrook is already wearing his old #7 on the Hawks.

if anything i think itd be with the Habs. but who knows, maybe the Wings will honor him...

[BeeRYCE 2]

#7 and #24 should be retired league wide.

[HomeNugget 2]

the criteria for retiring a number should be this, take any player, and ask whether or not team x should retire his number. if you can't answer yes immediately, without thinking about it then he doesn't deserve to have his number retired.

[Reilly 24]

i dont think Feds number should be retired here.

why not?

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

i dont think Feds number should be retired here.

You plan on backing that up with WHY? Or you know you've got no argument?

4th all time Points

4th all time Goals

5th all time assists

(for red wings)

I shouldn't have to explain that points are only half this guy's game. One of the best two-way players EVER.

I'm guessing you're still bitter about how/why he left?

[kylee 727]

I'm guessing you're still bitter about how/why he left?

basically.

[Doggy 130]

You plan on backing that up with WHY? Or you know you've got no argument?

4th all time Points

4th all time Goals

5th all time assists

(for red wings)

I shouldn't have to explain that points are only half this guy's game. One of the best two-way players EVER.

I'm guessing you're still bitter about how/why he left?

Fedorov's number will be retired. He was great.

[BlackhawksFan 4]

[HomeNugget 2]

pi. i love it

[Creasemonkey 30]

You are kidding yourself if you don't think #91 won't be up there at some point.

You're kidding yourself if you think it will.

The way he left, the '98 contract dispute, and the language Holland used to describe the team's decision not to trade for him at the deadline...he'd have to come back here and have a few more decent years for it to even be considered, and my guess would be that he'll re-sign with Washington, so count that out. The argument has been made in detail on these boards before, consider this a summary.

[J-Swift 0]

I'm guessing you're still bitter about how/why he left?

A good chunk of the fanbase most certainly is. Have you never heard the boos in Joe Louis arena when Fedorov touches the puck? I'm not even saying Sergei doesn't deserve to get his number retired, but unless he comes back at some point, I really don't see it happening.

[RedFX 48]

You are kidding yourself if you don't think #91 won't be up there at some point.

As for league-wide., #66.

To me, a player has to have more than just a statistical impact on a team in order to have his jersey retired. To me, Fedorov didn't have that impact. Fedorov abandoned the team twice in his career in order to help himself out. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me, putting his jersey up there would be an insult to 1, 7, 9, 10, 12 & 19.

[Tommie2 0]

You're kidding yourself if you think it will.

The way he left, the '98 contract dispute, and the language Holland used to describe the team's decision not to trade for him at the deadline...he'd have to come back here and have a few more decent years for it to even be considered, and my guess would be that he'll re-sign with Washington, so count that out. The argument has been made in detail on these boards before, consider this a summary.

I still think that #9 should be league-wide and also think Detroit will retire 24 when he's done.

[Reilly 24]

To me, a player has to have more than just a statistical impact on a team in order to have his jersey retired. To me, Fedorov didn't have that impact. Fedorov abandoned the team twice in his career in order to help himself out. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me, putting his jersey up there would be an insult to 1, 7, 9, 10, 12 & 19.

Joe Sakic signed an offersheet from the Rangers and Mark Messier took the money in Vancouver, so I guess you think those players shouldn't have their numbers retire by their teams?

As for using contract disputes and free agency as some way to paint Fedorov as a selfish player who didn't care about playing for Detroit, you're going to have to do better than that.

Oh, and Fedorov was more than a stats player, so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

I must say, it's going to be a fun night on Letsgowings when it's announced that #91 will be hanging next to #19. I'm looking forward to it.

[imisssergei 0]

I love Sergei. I wish he would have never left.

I see both sides of this argument. However, I just don't think Sergei will get his number retired. At the end of the day I think ti comes down to the players he played with. That is, playing with Shanny, Stevie, and Nick would put him about 4th on the list of consideration for jersey retirement amongst players in his era. I don't think it'll happen.

Should it? I'm not sure. But then again, I'm not sure anyone outside of Lidstrom will see their number retired for the Wings in the next 20 years.

[puckbags 863]

Back to Linden..if that is his last game his number goes up at the home opener of next season. His numbers alone aren't jersey retiring worthy but he has been the face of the Canucks for almost 20 years..even when he left for a few years they knew he would he back one day. Great leader, hard worker, contributed in the community...Trevor Linden is the epitome of what teams want as a leader, his number's werent' #19 like obviously but this is a no brainer for the Canucks...but hey ya never know !!!

[Bluedevils_13 0]

Here is something for people to think about, what if Gretzky wore a different number not so "odd" like lets say a 10, or even 9 something to that extent, do you guy still think it would be retired league wide? I mean initial reaction says "of course", but I could see it not happening too.

[Doggy 130]

Here is something for people to think about, what if Gretzky wore a different number not so "odd" like lets say a 10, or even 9 something to that extent, do you guy still think it would be retired league wide? I mean initial reaction says "of course", but I could see it not happening too.

Definitely not. It'd be an insult to the vets wearing the number at the time. I think the league-wide retirement is ridiculous anyway.