Should we lose game 6....

[sixer 37]

And were not losing game 6. Period.

[SFwingsfan 23]

This is just not going to happen unless Osgood is injured and can't play, period.

[Guest MrSandMan]

Hasek or Osgood

Here is the MrSandMan thought...

BOTH!

Hasek on left wing, Osgood on right wing, and Uwe Krupp as our center man. Wait, is he dog sleding this time of year?

Ugggh, nevermind. Maybe Babcock can center.

P.S. This thread = FAIL!

[Blaayze 25]

Why is this thread even here?

[irishtemper14+25 11]

i would rather put j ho in net instead of hasek...when howard played dallas he gave up one goal on like 30 shots or something

[puckloo39 5,686]

i would rather put j ho in net instead of hasek...when howard played dallas he gave up one goal on like 30 shots or something

And Hasek shut them out. Don't worry, Ozzie will be playing the remainder of the games in the playoffs.

[eva unit zero 271]

And Hasek shut them out. Don't worry, Ozzie will be playing the remainder of the games in the playoffs.

Whether it is the minimum of two or the maximum of nine, you are probably correct.

[shadow47 1]

If Osgood loses this series he's going to be known as the biggest choke artist of his era. Period. No matter how many goals he gives up, there's no excuse for losing four straight games after being up 3-0. That being said, if this goes seven, does anyone really think Detroit wins it without making a change? They are a streaky team and their confidence is in the dumps right now.

Btw anyone pretending that two lousy starts by Dom in a row mean he can't play anymore is pretty dismissive. Oz has played well even in the losses, but Hasek is not pate. Everyone contributed to get to this point and, specific fan biases aside, will ultimately win or lose as a team.

Edited May 19, 2008 by shadow47

[eva unit zero 271]

If Osgood loses this series he's going to be known as the biggest choke artist of his era. Period. No matter how many goals he gives up, there's no excuse for losing four straight games after being up 3-0. That being said, if this goes seven, does anyone really think Detroit wins it without making a change? They are a streaky team and their confidence is in the dumps right now.

Btw anyone pretending that two lousy starts by Dom in a row mean he can't play anymore is pretty dismissive. Oz has played well even in the losses, but Hasek is not pate. Everyone contributed to get to this point and, specific fan biases aside, will ultimately win or lose as a team.

The difference being that the Wings lost games to Nashville, in part, due to Hasek giving up goals in quick succession multiple times. Normally I would put that sort of thing on the team, but multiple quick goals happened to Hasek multiple times in his 3.5 games this postseason, while it has not happened to Osgood even once in his 11.5 games. The skaters have looked worse the last couple games against Dallas than they ever did against Nashville, yet we haven't sen Dallas score a couple quick goals. That sort of thing suggests that had Hasek not been off his game at the wrong time, or had it been Osgood in those games, we wouldn't have seen those quick multi-goal bursts.

Not bashing Dom; as I said his play was at worst a secondary factor in losses to Nashville. But you can't argue with the fact that Osgood has had a Smythe-worthy performance and has been excellent, even in his losses. Osgood has stopped 38 of 43 shots in his two losses; that compared with Hasek's 44 of 47 in his wins and is much better than the 35 of 42 in Hasek's losses. Combine that with the fact that Hasek typically takes a few games to get in a groove, and has historically had a bit of an ego regarding 'his' job, and I wonder if going back to Hasek would be a better option than Howard at this point. Not saying Dom WOULD cause problems if they decided to put him back, but it's the kind of thing he's been known for in the past so the coaches might consider it before taking action.

Ultimately, though, the Wings are going to win the Cup, regardless of which goalie ends up playing the last few games.

[Packer487 3]

Combine that with the fact that Hasek typically takes a few games to get in a groove, and has historically had a bit of an ego regarding 'his' job, and I wonder if going back to Hasek would be a better option than Howard at this point. Not saying Dom WOULD cause problems if they decided to put him back, but it's the kind of thing he's been known for in the past so the coaches might consider it before taking action.

This discussion really doesn't need to be taking place. Osgood has earned the right to finish this thing out one way or the other. By and large, he's been really great and by and large the team has been really great in front of him.

But about the quoted part....you've gotta be friggin' kidding me, right?

For starters, why would Dom cause problems if they were to put him back in? The time for him to cause problems would have been after game 4 against Nashville when they made the switch. And there haven't been any, to Mike Milbury's disappointment, I'm sure.

Then to suggest that Jim freaking Howard would (even possibly) be the better option. You're usually pretty level-headed, but that's an absolute joke. Hasek's numbers are for crap in the playoffs, but even you have to admit the team played like complete ass in Games 3 and 4 against Nashville.

The Predators scored goals in quick succession a few times but how many of those goals were truly bad? The third one in each game. That's it. A pretty fair portion of the other goals were on things like pucks hitting Kronwall in the butt, strange deflections, strange bounces, odd man rushes and screens. I suppose you can say it's on the goalie when it keeps happening like that, but is it not also on the team for not responding the next shift after a goal?

In Osgood's stretch of bad games in mid-February, he gave up goals less than 2 minutes apart 3 times as well as goals 15 seconds apart in another game. But most of that was written off to poor performance by the Griffins in front of him. It's not always the goalie. I mean, if a team just got done scoring on a nice tip-in and then they get a 2 on 1, the pass gets across and the guy one-times it into the net, it looks bad, but were either of those really the goalie's fault?

Dom certainly wasn't at the top of his game--he admitted as much--and the change in goalies was completely warranted--I said as much at the time--but the team really didn't give him much help, defensively or in terms of goal support. There haven't been many mistakes, but the biggest one Osgood has made in these playoffs (the second goal in Game 1 against Colorado, which was worse than anything Dom gave up against Nashville) was covered up for by the fact that the team put in 4 goals. If they scored, say, two (like the Wings in Game 4 against Nashville) then suddenly that horrible goal gets magnified like Greg de Vries's.

The de Vries goal (the one that came like 10 seconds after we made Game 4 2-1) was the real back-breaker. That was a save that had to be made. But most of the others ones were more bad luck/bad defense than anything else.

This too is completely false:

The skaters have looked worse the last couple games against Dallas than they ever did against Nashville

Maybe offensively, but certainly not on the defensive end.

Ultimately, though, the Wings are going to win the Cup, regardless of which goalie ends up playing the last few games.

This I will agree with. And I'll be just as happy when Osgood holds that Cup above his head again as I would be if Hasek was the one back-stopping them to the title.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

i would rather put j ho in net instead of hasek...when howard played dallas he gave up one goal on like 30 shots or something

And that was a regular season game. I like the guy but he has no experience in the playoffs. This isn't the regular season. Hasek is option B, a good option B, and one that will probably not even have to be used assuming Osgood doesn't fall in the s**tter with his play, which I doubt would happen.

The few of you suggesting Howard in over Hasek right now seriously need to lay off the peace pipe.

[wingsgirl001 983]

This shouldn't even be asked.

QFT

[va Winger 0]

QFT

Not worth the time to comment !

[Nightfall 871]

Osgood all the way.

The last 2 losses were not his fault. You aren't going to win many games by only scoring 1 goal per game, which is all the Wings have done.

[55fan 5,133]

Sounds like I'm with the majority here. Unless Ozzie is injured, in which case Hasek is a perfectly good replacement who has my vote of confidence, Ozzie will play.

If you are going to do a shake-up to play mind games with the team, game 7 is not a good time to do it. January, maybe, but not now. They know what it takes to win. They know what they have to do. It's just a matter of getting them to get out there and do it. (See numerous other threads for details.)

[C-Dub 0]

Who will get the start in net... Osgood or Hasek?

We all saw how much better the team played when we put Osgood in for Hasek... maybe if we start Hasek in for game 7(if necessary) it would light a fire under the Red Wings to get the job done and end this series.

Hasek was pulled after too losses because he did not play well. Osgood will remain our goalie because even though we had 2 losses, he did play very well in both and gave the team a chance to win. You can't expect your goalie to stop 2 on 1s all the time. Osgood's been almost flawless at this point, he had a semi-softie here and there, but overall, he has made no gross mistakes and has played exeptionally in quite a few games.

Osgood's the man for this playoff run, end of story!

[jroach17 96]

The goals Hasek gave up were not all his fault either, one banked off Kronwalls a$$, another was just a great setup on a PP. I still think Hasek can steal you a win, Osgood can't. Hell, you could speculate that Hasek could have already ended this series. Here is the issue though, it's too late in the playoffs to be swithing goalies again. I think the Wings are pretty much going to stick with Osgood now. Nobody has ever won the Stanley cup switching goalies back and forth.

[gowingsgo 3]

Ozzie isnt the reason we've lost the last two games. Stick with Ozzie.

[C-Dub 0]

The goals Hasek gave up were not all his fault either.

True that, though he didn't look particularly dominating in either of the two losses.

I still think Hasek can steal you a win, Osgood can't.

That's really not giving Osgood much respect. For example, last game he did everything to keep us in the game to give us a chance to possibly win. The two goals he gave up could be stopped on stellar saves, but again, if you leave your goalie to his own fate on 2 on 1s and break aways, I don't think you can expect him to just make the save.

Last game, the D let Osgood fend for himself and the offense couldn't have sunk the puck in a soccer goal. I credit Osgood for even making that game a close one...

Generally Hasek is more likley to steal wins than Ozzie but Hasek has had his fair share of issues living up to expecations (which are enormous, of course) in the playoffs.

LET'S GO WINGS!!!!

[eva unit zero 271]

I still think Hasek can steal you a win, Osgood can't.

Well, as Osgood has stolen wins in this postseason, and Hasek didn't, I would say your thought processes are a little off. Because even if Hasek is capable, saying Osgood can't do something he DID is pretty much an ignorant statementand is made more on disrespect for the player than an actual evaluation of his abilities.

[motorcitykid 42]

2 things I hate: Fairweather fans and talk of swapping goalies for no apparent reason.

Yeh, that's the problem. Ozzie has stunk it up the past two games. Yeh, we would've won if Dom had been in there. Blah, blah, f*n blah ....

#30 has been huge, HUGE, HUGE for us all playoffs. Barring an _ _ _ _ _ _ , Dom will hold the Cup in a few weeks coming off the bench.

This thread sucks!

Edited May 19, 2008 by motorcitykid

[PaVel DaTsYuK fan13 0]

I think that historically as the wings playoff goalie Ozzy has reacted pretty well to losses by coming up with big games.

Putting Hasek out there is a HUGE risk that you flat out don't take in a game 7. Hopefully we win tonight and it never becomes an issue.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Hasek arguably stole game two vs. the Preds with 15 saves in the first period alone, but that's all forgotten now. Understood. Several of the goals against were fluke deflections in that series, put in the net by his own team mates. They didn't play well in front of him, and he wasn't able to bail them out. Knee jerk reaction was to yank Hasek. permanently as it turns out. So it goes...

Moving forward, it makes no sense to put Dom in, but not because he's incapable or has forgotten how to play. We won't ever know if Dom could have closed out this series or not, so it's not worth discussing, really. Now, after sitting for more than a month, the only reason to put Dom is would be if Ozzie were incapable of playing, ill or injured. Let's all hope that never happens.

Some people here are constantly complaining that Ozzie's being disrespected. Show me where that has happened, even once this season. He has been dissed in the past, without a doubt -- but certainly not this season. On the other hand, the disrespect that Hasek has gotten in Detroit in what surely will be his last in the NHL is truly amazing. It seems that someone on the team just has to be the goat. It's always easiest to pick on the goalie.

Edited May 19, 2008 by puckloo39

[puckloo39 5,686]

Well, as Osgood has stolen wins in this postseason, and Hasek didn't, I would say your thought processes are a little off. Because even if Hasek is capable, saying Osgood can't do something he DID is pretty much an ignorant statementand is made more on disrespect for the player than an actual evaluation of his abilities.

yes, he did.

April 12 Rd1gm2

Edited May 19, 2008 by puckloo39

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Assuming Osgood is healthy and didn't hit his head and forget how to play goal, he would start.