11/11 GDT: Penguins 7, Red Wings 6 (OT)

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

um...sorry...no

no need to apologize. it's your prerogative to be wrong.

no skin off my back. go back to your little stats and blaming goalies. it's so much easier than following a big scary fast paced hockey game.

[GSBrooks13 204]

So i was wondering.. now that I have calmed down.. when exactly was the last time the Wings A) Allowed 7 Goals Against.. and B) Scored 6 Goals and Didnt win?.. anyone have any idea?

[SuperNovaXll 124]

Hey all. I missed most of the game due to having to be on the ambulance most of the night (Im a EMT), and of course we had 10 billion calls so I didnt get to watch the first two periods, so anything I say has to do with that wonderful 3rd...

How I personally see it is. Yeah we blew the game. No way around it.

I DONT think Ozzy was HORRIBLE, but he has been better as well. I forgot who said it but the person who said "Ozzy wont steal you many games, but he wont loose you any either" kinda fits the part.

Our Defense was once again terrible. Im not TOO worried about this right now...because its...well....Not even half way through Nov. It is something that we have to address, and I think it will be taken care of before playoff time. However if its not..it will become a problem.

Thing that bothers me the most is the fact we have been pretty consistant with giving the puck over since the start of this season. Our first pass coming out of our own zone has been a real troubling issue.

We are also taking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too many penalties. Most of them are really uncalled for too. I personally dont think its the Refs either. We are just taking stupid penalties.

I think most of these issues will be fixed, so im not nervous about it yet. (We arent even 1/4 though the season!) However...come March if we are still having the same problems, then...Ill be a little nervous

[Cruiser008 37]

that pretty much says it.... this game was a coach's worst nightmare.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Nonetheless that wouldn't be fence sitting. It would be being eternally optimistic. Fence sitting would be more like..."I'm just not sure yet if the Wings suck or not". She always believes they don't. I'll be on that bandwagon.

Personally, I believe the other extreme is just wanting to be the one to have said "I told you so" when the Wings finally do go into decline. Yeah, I do believe criticism is due for bad play, but it does tend to be excessive.

Yeah, nothing wrong with optimism but I get very annoyed when it’s just optimism all the time even when the situation clearly doesn’t call for it. I mean we gave up SEVEN goals, that’s absolutely pathetic. Fans are entitled be angry, and that’s all it is, anger. Can we just lay off the optimism one night when it’s clearly not required? Gosh.

That's not true at all. Yes I am positive for the most part, but I don't think the team is perfect or that nothing is ever wrong. I just don't throw a freaking fit every time they lose. I know when the team is playing poor or when the defense needs to start getting their crap together, I'll admit when Ozzie isn't on his game etc.. I just don't go overboard and have an aneurysm over it because in my mind they'll get through it and I am not a fan of bashing a team I love so damn much.

Neither do I, in fact some of the rants after losses get very tiresome. But come on, I’m yet to see one negative word ever said about this team or one of its players. They don’t read these boards, I’m sure they’re not going to shed tears over any comments made, maybe once every now and then you could tell it like it is instead of sugarcoating the issue.

[EuroTwinLove40 0]

Could Babs look any more like a gorilla in those pics!? hahaha

[puckbags 863]

Save your breath and your stress. The haters will reign tonight.

This place is bi-polar in its truest form......14 games in and its a mental hospital in here....Am I concerned about our defensive play and goaltending? Yes I am....will I lose my mind and throw everyone under the bus? No I won't. This team is good..end of story and it will all pan out in the end. I'm gonna mix myself up a whiskey and watch poker. Have a good night all...

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

um...sorry...no

Are you a 12 year old girl? That is the most disappointing post in this thread yet.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I hope he screams at this team like they're Tony Granato after the way they played the last period and OT.

[gcom007 1,465]

Our defense is bad. And not just the defenseman. The team defense is totally lacking.

Like I said, I would've loved for Ozzy to come up with the game stealing saves, but this loss wasn't his fault. He's maybe not quite at the level he was last season, but overall he's a good goaltender. He's not going to steal you a ton of games, but he's not gonna cost you games either.

I totally agree about the D. Besides the defensemen playing sloppy, the team isn't playing a very tight game either. It's just pure sloppiness. Again, I'm fine losing. It happens. But there's no excuse for worse teams to play as sloppy as we have this year and we've got the best team on paper. The intensity and focus just seems totally lacking.

And on that note, I think this lines up with Osgood as well. While I agree with those saying he's not playing as bad as the numbers in games like this suggest by a long shot, he certainly is capable of playing better. The intensity seems to be lacking with him to some extent. He just seems a little too comfortable this year. While he's always been pretty cool and composed, I think the will to quiet the critics and not live in the shadows of Hasek very much worked in his favor last year as he showed that he's quite capable of being a great starter who can win a Cup without even being a headcase! But he's got to find a way to match that intensity this year. It's one thing to have the talent and ability but a whole other thing to know how to use it.

And I think that holds true for the whole team to some extent. Maybe there's some Cup hangover still at play and you know, let's be honest, it's to be expected and we're still winning a lot more games than we lose at this point. I never like to see turnovers and worry a bit about them. I wonder if the loss of McLellan hurts a bit more than we might've thought. But I think our team D and Osgood will tighten up down the stretch and into the playoffs where it counts, but the D needs to get their game together. This isn't panic. I stress that. But the sooner things get worked out, the better especially if they need to tweak things.

[Guest Four]

I hope he screams at this team like they're Tony Granato after the way they played the last period and OT.

I've heard that Babcock's roar is approx. 110 decibels.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

this was a real bad result but it doesn't mean we are in decline or that the world is gonna end. the team isn't going to implode over night or anything. we'll be in the playoffs as usual and we'll be one of the favourites as usual too. I'm shocked and angry by the colapse tonight just as much as most of you guys but just chill. nights like tonight happen every once in a while. they are few and far between for us. we are still one of the best teams out there...... if not thee best.

[Yak19 303]

Horrendous just horrendous but at the end of the season we most likely will be playing for the cup while the penguins are out in the 1st or 2nd round, we would never play like this in a playoff game that i am confident of and we would smack the penguins around but its regular season and not as much pressure so they played their little hearts out and came back to win, we played horrible in the 3rd.

Also the Kings came back from 3 down against us last season to win THE KINGS, what does this game really mean? Nothing!

82 games in a season, i guess let them enjoy this one, we have the cup and are going for it back to back, they will not get past the 2nd round mark my words. Whatever happened tonight will be fixed, we're the Detroit Red Wings. If you got tension go shoot one off to that 07-08 Championship banner. Kiss the rings *****.

GO WINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nev 1,085]

EVERY time the Red Wings get a decent lead this season, they immediately spend the rest of the game in the penalty box (usually 5-on-3's involved too).

So true. Having said that we are giving up way, way, way, way, way too many shots and way, way, way, way, way too many goals. Especially in 3rd periods and with the lead. What happened to the team last season that would just shut the game down in the 3rd? Hold an opponent to literally 2 or 3 shots in the final period.

Its easy to say "we're the Wings, we'll be OK", but its not so easy to just flick a switch and start brutalising everyone again. I just hope this game will be the turning point in the season - every player needs to look long and hard at himself.

Despite all our problems defensively we have enough firepower to stroll to the Central Division once again, but one thing is certain - this s*** won't fly in the playoffs.

[SuperNovaXll 124]

Believe it or not this defense right now needs Chelios. He is a veteran who has been there and done that.

Funny you should say that, Im not the biggest Chelios fan on earth and I personally think its about time he hangs them up but...

On my drive home I was thinking the same thing... Maybe things will turn around a bit when he comes back.

[RainingBlood 8]

After tonight this will be babcock again when they dismantle the lightning

Edited November 12, 2008 by RainingBlood

[Grateful Gadsby 10]

beer and slugs

I don't think Lilja was the only problem out there tonight, do you?

Well, no. That said, even though the entire team defense has been horrible so far, aren't you getting tired of Lilja's boneheaded turnovers leading to at least one goal virtually every other game? It's getting to be as predictable as the sunrise.

Chelios can't get healthy fast enough. Pair him with Ericsson, and pair Lilja with Lebda again -- in the effing press box.

[Casey 145]

This place is bi-polar in its truest form......14 games in and its a mental hospital in here....Am I concerned about our defensive play and goaltending? Yes I am....will I lose my mind and throw everyone under the bus? No I won't. This team is good..end of story and it will all pan out in the end. I'm gonna mix myself up a whiskey and watch poker. Have a good night all...

True.

Is it frustrating they lost? Yes, yes it is. Can it be fixed? Yes, yes it can. Get Lidstrom checked out since his shot/clearing ability seems a touch off, and start working protection/defense drills. They'll be fine. They're on pace for 52-11-19, or 123 points. That's a near-certain President's Trophy, #1 seed. Give them a few days to drill and condition, and things will work out.

It's a letdown, sure. Not the worst I've ever seen. That would be my beloved Toledo Rockets. MAC champs '01, '04, and now finishing out 3 straight losing seasons after firing their coach. Tonight's just a game, with problems that can be fixed.

[TheCaptain19 49]

what was that tonight. really.

[Offsides 21]

Yeah, nothing wrong with optimism but I get very annoyed when it’s just optimism all the time even when the situation clearly doesn’t call for it. I mean we gave up SEVEN goals, that’s absolutely pathetic. Fans are entitled be angry, and that’s all it is, anger. Can we just lay off the optimism one night when it’s clearly not required? Gosh.

I agree. I was very annoyed with the collapse (and as said before I didn't watch it just saw the shocking score shift). I know that we didn't play good at all with that score. We haven't been too great lately. Should there be concern. Yes. But you know as well as I know that it tends to be doom day after any loss let alone a loss like this. Some of the optimistic posts are in retaliation to the exact opposite end of the world, losing the next xx amount of games, etc. There's a big difference between criticism or even downright anger at the team's poor play to the end of the world scenarios that are played out here.

Mind you there's no point fighting it really, but it is a discussion board and we are all opinionated.

[Outsider 42]

Funny you should say that, Im not the biggest Chelios fan on earth and I personally think its about time he hangs them up but...

On my drive home I was thinking the same thing... Maybe things will turn around a bit when he comes back.

They miss Cheli.

Old. Slow. Broken down.

Smart. Savvy. Ultra competitive.

They miss Cheli, for certain.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

How bad did we look in the 2nd and 3rd? Only saw up to the Franzen goal.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

True.

Is it frustrating they lost? Yes, yes it is. Can it be fixed? Yes, yes it can. Get Lidstrom checked out since his shot/clearing ability seems a touch off, and start working protection/defense drills. They'll be fine. They're on pace for 52-11-19, or 123 points. That's a near-certain President's Trophy, #1 seed. Give them a few days to drill and condition, and things will work out.

It's a letdown, sure. Not the worst I've ever seen. That would be my beloved Toledo Rockets. MAC champs '01, '04, and now finishing out 3 straight losing seasons after firing their coach. Tonight's just a game, with problems that can be fixed.

Yeah, what happened to the Rockets? Used to be a threat to crash the BCS, now they're bad even in the MAC. Disappointing.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

So true. Having said that we are giving up way, way, way, way, way too many shots and way, way, way, way, way too many goals. Especially in 3rd periods and with the lead. What happened to the team last season that would just shut the game down in the 3rd? Hold an opponent to literally 2 or 3 shots in the final period.

Its easy to say "we're the Wings, we'll be OK", but its not so easy to just flick a switch and start brutalising everyone again. I just hope this game will be the turning point in the season - every player needs to look long and hard at himself.

Despite all our problems defensively we have enough firepower to stroll to the Central Division once again, but one thing is certain - this s*** won't fly in the playoffs.

Well-said and I agree. It's easy to say "oh we'll be fine, we're the Red Wings." I know the Red Wings will be fine, so does everyone else here. That doesn't change how they are playing right now though. The defense is brutal. There is no sugarcoating that anymore. Every single defenseman is playing below their level. I don't know what it is or why it's happening, but Babcock and McCrimmon need to fix it and quickly.

It isn't wrong to question or be concerned about the team you root for. Tonight was pathetic, there's no way around that fact. It's not the end of the world, nor a reason to overreact, but this team has major issues. You can only use the "defense will get better" excuse for so long. IMO, we are way past that point already.

Edited November 12, 2008 by GoWings1905

[b.shanafan14 733]

I'm so very mad. There are really no words for it. Defense blew it, Sindy should have to pay by the minute when crying the refs. Tripping Penguins? Illegal. Tripping Hank? I'll allow it. Just all around the most frustrated I've been since the finals when we played... oh yeah...

Everyone ready for a week straight of how Sidney Crosby single handedly rallied his team and mounted the comeback of the century to win the Stanley Cup of November and made Hossa regret leaving Pitt and their great captain? I sure am!