11/14 GDT: Red Wings 3, Florida Panthers 2

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Z, Hossa, and Hudler look like the only players that give a damn.

[The Mule 0]

Well, color me heavily unimpressed.

[Reilly 24]

Rafalski is getting burned on every shift. I don't care how many points he puts up - his defense has been brutal this season.

as with most of the players on them.

[12Newf 0]

what happened to anderson?

[The Mule 0]

I've got high hopes that the Wings will come out flying in the third, and Hossa will snag his hat trick.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Trade Rafalski. Worst defenseman out there right now. HM: Lebda.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Z, Hossa, and Hudler look like the only players that give a damn.

That would be aa awesome line to throw out there for a spark. Those are the three catalysts on the top three lines tonight. Not sure how Hudler hasn't gotten his shot on the 2nd line despite proving to have some awesome chemistry with Hank on the PP.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

what happened to anderson?

Oddly pulled after the second goal. It worked though I guess, it's tied now.

[Guest Crymson]

I'm beginning to think that it's the system, not the players.

[The Mule 0]

as with most of the players on them.

True, but from a defensive standpoint, Rafalski has been one of the worst.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

I'm beginning to think that it's the system, not the players.

Wouldn't it be the same system that's worked so well for so many years?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'm beginning to think that it's the system, not the players.

You might just be onto something. 2 different coaches, and a much worse product so far.

[12Newf 0]

okay rafalski hasnt been great but come on, lay off the guy. lidstrom hasnt exactly looked great lately either. he certainly isnt the frontrunner for the norris at this point.

[The Mule 0]

I'm beginning to think that it's the system, not the players.

Yes. I don't care if we're only a quarter of the way through the season, fire Brad McCrimmon.

[Guest mindfly]

Maybe fire McCrimmon and se what happens?

[dicksmack 33]

Oddly pulled after the second goal. It worked though I guess, it's tied now.

Surprising pull but effective so far. Besides Vokoun knows the Wings better.

[Doc Holiday 0]

You might just be onto something. 2 different coaches, and a much worse product so far.

How is the system to blame for players suddenly not knowing how to clear a puck without turning it over?

That second goal was all player error, not system error.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Trade Rafalski. Worst defenseman out there right now. HM: Lebda.

I know you're being facetious, but it kind of sucks that Rafalski has a NTC. I think New Jersey's system may have made Rafalski look a little better. Hes having a rough start defensively this season, but he was kind of underwhelming in terms of what I expected from him last year. I feel like 6M is a lot to pay for a guy whos not playing a very balanced game. I wonder if a guy like Mitchell or the like wouldn't be better suited for this team at this juncture, both defensively and financially.

Overall though, I think he'll come around with the rest of the team.

[The Mule 0]

okay rafalski hasnt been great but come on, lay off the guy. lidstrom hasnt exactly looked great lately either. he certainly isnt the frontrunner for the norris at this point.

No, he hasn't, but Nick hasn't had nearly as many mental lapses as Rafalski this season.

[FinRedWing 172]

I'd love to see Filppula actually put up some points this year.

So would I.

But he's got more points after 15 games than he did last season.

Our top 10 scorers are all getting PP-time,they've been hot & had scored 40% of all of our goals before tonight.

We've not been very good 5 on 5 yet,so no wonder "the rest" haven't exploded offensively.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I know you're being facetious, but it kind of sucks that Rafalski has a NTC. I think New Jersey's system may have made Rafalski look a little better. Hes having a rough start defensively this season, but he was kind of underwhelming in terms of what I expected from him last year. I feel like 6M is a lot to pay for a guy whos not playing a very balanced game. I wonder if a guy like Mitchell or the like wouldn't be better suited for this team at this juncture, both defensively and financially.

Overall though, I think he'll come around with the rest of the team.

Willie

I dont think Rafalski is this bad. Just having a bad strech.

[dat's sick 1,002]

Yeah, an entire team (defense primarily) doesn't suddenly become much worse over night.

Especially guys like Lidstrom, not that he's been that bad this game.

I'm thinking it's a combination of all the new lines/d-pairings and a new system that is messing things up.

I'd like to see the euro twins back together actually.

[RedArmy 4]

I know you're being facetious, but it kind of sucks that Rafalski has a NTC. I think New Jersey's system may have made Rafalski look a little better. Hes having a rough start defensively this season, but he was kind of underwhelming in terms of what I expected from him last year. I feel like 6M is a lot to pay for a guy whos not playing a very balanced game. I wonder if a guy like Mitchell or the like wouldn't be better suited for this team at this juncture, both defensively and financially.

Overall though, I think he'll come around with the rest of the team.

I would have to agree that everyone has been playing poorly defensively lately...

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Yeah, an entire team (defense primarily) doesn't suddenly become much worse over night.

Especially guys like Lidstrom, not that he's been that bad this game.

I'm thinking it's a combination of all the new lines/d-pairings and a new system that is messing things up.

I'd like to see the euro twins back together actually.

Not to be rude, but how does putting Pav and Z back together fix the defense?

[Statts 4]

LOL

showing that commercial with Melrose as a coach.