hokike 1 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 What are you talking about? He already took less. He didn't reject $90 million because it wasn't enough, he rejected it because he wanted to win, not sit at home spending his millions in Vancouver this May. Maybe he decides after this year that he wants the $, but it's just as reasonable to think he might make the same decision that he made last summer. my typo. Idea behind this was potential cup wiil increas Hossa's value or if he does not get SC, he'll get that 90 mil offer anyway. ....And even some forumites here admit that Flippula has no value, compared to his contract and , yes therefore is practically untradeable.... Why other team would want such deal to roster? Lets start with this question.... therefore I'm calling "trade Flippula" wishful thinking... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 How are we gonna keep Franzen with Hossa? It doesn't seem possible. Damn that Franzen and singlehandedly outscoring the Avs in one series. Notice Filppula is not in that projection. It would take some creativity, but I wouldn't say it's impossible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Love $6M a year and hate 12 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 my typo. Idea behind this was potential cup wiil increas Hossa's value or if he does not get SC, he'll get that 90 mil offer anyway. ....And even some forumites here admit that Flippula has no value, compared to his contract and , yes therefore is practically untradeable.... Why other team would want such deal to roster? Lets start with this question.... therefore I'm calling "trade Flippula" wishful thinking... I gotcha. In Flip's defense, he's been stuck on the 3rd line with no PP time this year. Obviously it hasn't boosted his value, but I don't think it's diminished his upside terribly ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I'm of the opinion that rather than trying to keep Hossa and Franzen you simply realize one HAS to go. Here's why. When Lidstrom is done playing, for argument's sake let's say in two years, the Wings will not want that kind of money tied up in forwards. They'll need an upgrade on the blueline and it could take a couple players to replace Lidstrom, one a defensive specialist and one a powerplay and outlet passing guru (That's how good Nick has been, it may take two players to 'replace' him). About this time as well Osgood will be nearing the end and the Wings will need an upgrade in net as well (I'm not sold on Howard as of yet). Both Franzen and Hossa have their own unique skills and we could debate all day which one would be more valuable to keep for whatever reason. The Wings have won a cup in the 'Datsyuk/Zetterberg era' without Hossa so there is no need to panic or overpay Hossa should he want the big coin (he's earned no less by his play) and a long term deal like the ones offered this past offseason. Whatever Holland and the front office decide, I'd still be keeping an eye on the defense and netminding situation a couple years out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Love $6M a year and hate 12 years 12 years is why it's $6M a year ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 hmm, i wonder how open the rules are to exploiting the cap hit avg. i mean, let's say hossa wants to play for 6 more years then go back to europe, what is to stop holland from signing hossa for 7.5 million for 6 years and then for 1 million for another 6 years. that's a cap hit of only 4.25 million. hossa could then just retire after the six years and that's that. There's language in the cba that doesn't allow a player's salary to decrease more than a specified percentage from year to year. Erat had his contract revoked as a result of this rule, I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 #40 to the rafters, baby! The Captain-Elect of the Detroit Red Wings...whenever Lids is ready to call it a career. Oooh, I don't know......I think Hank and Pavs are going to be fighting it out for who wears the C when Nick retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Love $6M a year and hate 12 years I only wish Holland had thought to offer him $6M for 5 years! hmm, i wonder how open the rules are to exploiting the cap hit avg. i mean, let's say hossa wants to play for 6 more years then go back to europe, what is to stop holland from signing hossa for 7.5 million for 6 years and then for 1 million for another 6 years. that's a cap hit of only 4.25 million. hossa could then just retire after the six years and that's that. In your case there, his salary could only drop from $7.5M to $3.75M and then to $1M. You have to be careful because the NHL can step in over any case of "trying to circumvent the cap" - and levy fines, suspensions and cap penalties if that proves to be the case. At this point, $1 million to a 37 year-old Hossa would seem awfully fishy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 my typo. Idea behind this was potential cup wiil increas Hossa's value or if he does not get SC, he'll get that 90 mil offer anyway. ....And even some forumites here admit that Flippula has no value, compared to his contract and , yes therefore is practically untradeable.... Why other team would want such deal to roster? Lets start with this question.... therefore I'm calling "trade Flippula" wishful thinking... That's part of my point . . . it may be wishful thinking because Kenny may not want to trade him after signing him this summer but it is not just Wings fans that think he has value and could easily be traded . . . especially when what you want in return is mostly cap space. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alienanxiety 23 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 When Lidstrom is done playing, for argument's sake let's say in two years, the Wings will not want that kind of money tied up in forwards. They'll need an upgrade on the blueline and it could take a couple players to replace Lidstrom. You know Pronger will be an UFA when Lidstrom's contact is up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokike 1 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 That's part of my point . . . it may be wishful thinking because Kenny may not want to trade him after signing him this summer but it is not just Wings fans that think he has value and could easily be traded . . . especially when what you want in return is mostly cap space. Cap space in todays NHL, especially when it is rumored that cap space goes down, very valuable asset and therefore you have to offer for cap space something more than one struggling player with expensive and expansive contract . Your pointed discussion became quickly my rotten tomatoes for your rotten apples. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenrikRules40 14 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 Oooh, I don't know......I think Hank and Pavs are going to be fighting it out for who wears the C when Nick retires. I dunno...I'm gonna have to disagree. This is the longest contract in the history of the Wings. Z has repeatedly been tagged by the brass as the future captain. All signs point to Z wearing the C next. Don't get me wrong, Dats is awesome too. Signing him for 7 years was a big commitment. Just...12 is more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 You know Pronger will be an UFA when Lidstrom's contact is up... I'm not being facetious here. I would literally puke if that man put on a Wings jersey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 You know Pronger will be an UFA when Lidstrom's contact is up... That's a fine idea. I'm also hoping Ericsson is enjoying a fine sophomore or junior season then and maybe could learn a little from Pronger (or whomever). Luckily the cupboard is far from bare when it comes to up and comers or guys who can play alot for a little cap hit.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I'm not being facetious here. I would literally puke if that man put on a Wings jersey. We all said that about Chelios for years too. We saved Pronger's life here one afternoon, he OWES us a discount... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I'm not being facetious here. I would literally puke if that man put on a Wings jersey. Chris is a horrid, vile, despicable human being, but you'd get over it. Worse atrocities have been committed in the pursuit of Stanley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I'm not being facetious here. I would literally puke if that man put on a Wings jersey. It's okay to puke. But then you drink another beer, clean it up in the morning, and life goes on ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 It's okay to puke. But then you drink another beer, clean it up in the morning, and life goes on ... I actually don't drink beer. Alcoholism runs in my family, so the one time I have one drink each year is my birthday. I'm quite honestly, afraid of touching the stuff otherwise. OT I know, so I apologize for the thread derailment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 We all said that about Chelios for years too. We saved Pronger's life here one afternoon, he OWES us a discount... Not me. I grew up in Chicago, so I watched a s***-ton of Blackhawks games. I never had any problems with Cheli at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I actually don't drink beer. Alcoholism runs in my family, so the one time I have one drink each year is my birthday. I'm quite honestly, afraid of touching the stuff otherwise. OT I know, so I apologize for the thread derailment. I can certainly understand and respect that. I don't like Pronger either, and wouldn't choose to have him here, but if that's what happened I'm sure I would see a "different side of him", at least to some extent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokeychik22 17 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I'm so happy Hank is here to stay!! 12 years!! YEA!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 Personally I see him closer to $3 million, and I'd highly doubt a GM would give up that much for Huddles. His size is going to lower his value for some teams, and as good of a year as he's having, a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd seems like a lot of potential talent to part with. But you never know ... If you look at this ppg for the amount of time he actually plays (in other words, his points per minute) he's very, very, very attractive for a 24 year old player. That and he's got clinch scoring experience in the playoffs. Size is becoming less and less of an issue in the current NHL. Size IS an issue in the NHL, of course, but it's less of a deterrent than most people think. Plus, Hudler isn't exactly a soft player. He's not hard, but he's not your typical player for a guy that's 5 foot 1 inch tall. The RFA status is the only thing that makes Hudler an easier signing for the Wings. Like you said- it's hard to imagine a GM gambling a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd on a player in addition to the 4 million cap hit that would necessitate the giving up of those picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 Cap space in todays NHL, especially when it is rumored that cap space goes down, very valuable asset and therefore you have to offer for cap space something more than one struggling player with expensive and expansive contract . Your pointed discussion became quickly my rotten tomatoes for your rotten apples. It is a very valuable asset to teams like the Wings and the Rangers - it is not so much a valuable asset for teams like the Kings and the Coyotes. Also, again you are one of he only ones that think other teams wouldn't want him. Check some other sites a lot of other fans would love him on their team - he is struggling because he is on the third line with no PP time. There are lots of teams that have tons of cap space and would love to have Flip and he would get tons of time on one of their top two lines. You refuse to acknowledge that Flip has trade value against what almost everyone else thinks and then say that other teams wouldn't even give up cap space even though several teams are struggling just to reach the floor of the cap. Flip is far from rotten tomatoes - he is a good player that lots of teams would want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krayzie_Bone 58 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I heard Melrose saying it was a bad sign since it was so many years. He kept comparing it to the Islanders goalie Dipietro. I don't know for sure but I bet he was all for the Ovechken deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
