RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 There's no way that Franzen signs for what Filppula got -- not a chance. I'm confident (though not happy) that Franzen will go UFA. He's won a Cup, this is his first shot at big-time money, etc. Hossa, on the other hand, has made his money but never played for a consistent winner. I think he's the easier play here, not to mention that the circumstances in which he signed here last summer would indicate his line of thinking. And Hudler... don't forget he's restricted. Barring a ridiculous offer sheet or a trade -- he'll be here. The team that would sign Hudler if they did would owe the Redwings 3 1st round picks I believe for signing a restricted free agent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 So you and several other people, would rather he sign a 5 year deal for 6-7 million, then in 5 years when hopefully our economy is back on track and the salary cap rises in the nhl, he could ask for upwards of 8 million instead of locking him down for a 6 million a year cap hit for the rest of his career.... I'm sorry, I trust in this organization, they know what they are doing. Zetterberg is no DiPietro or Yashin. He is a classy hard working individual who puts team first. He is the next captain of this team and I'm glad that we have him locked up for this career. When I wrote that, rumour was a cap hit of 7-8 million. However, 12 years with a 6 million cap hit is a horse of a different colour. Will you allow me a bit of wiggle room to get out of my first statement, and allow me to say that I still hope he's a Wing for life, and that it's not all on one contract because he'll be staying with the organization after he's done playing? I'm thrilled with this. Hank and Holland are two of the reasons that it's great to be a Wings fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 woo hoo time to get a zetterberg jersey now that i know for sure its safe. I was just thinking that. My last jersey purchase (other than the avatar one, which I've just been informed is en route) was a white Datsyuk with the Stanley Cup patch. I chose him over Z specifically because of their contract situations (I might've gotten Datsyuk anyway, but it made the decision easy). For $400, I need to be damn sure before I get one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 The team that would sign Hudler if they did would owe the Redwings 3 1st round picks I believe for signing a restricted free agent. I believe it depends on how much his new contract is. To give you an example, this is the approximate compensation table for this year: The current expected RFA compensation table for 2008-09 is: Amount Compensation Due $863,156 or less None $863,156 - $1,307,811 3rd round pick $1,307,811 - $2,615,623 2nd round pick $2,615,623 - $3,923,434 1st and 3rd round pick $3,923,434 - $5,231,246 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick $5,231,246 - $6,539,061 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick $6,539,061 or more Four 1st round picks link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I believe it depends on how much his new contract is. To give you an example, this is the approximate compensation table for this year: The current expected RFA compensation table for 2008-09 is: Amount Compensation Due $863,156 or less None $863,156 - $1,307,811 3rd round pick $1,307,811 - $2,615,623 2nd round pick $2,615,623 - $3,923,434 1st and 3rd round pick $3,923,434 - $5,231,246 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick $5,231,246 - $6,539,061 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick $6,539,061 or more Four 1st round picks link Do you think the season Hudler is having he can get 4 million to give the redwings an extra 1st, second, and 3rd round picks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Do you think the season Hudler is having he can get 4 million to give the redwings an extra 1st, second, and 3rd round picks? Personally I see him closer to $3 million, and I'd highly doubt a GM would give up that much for Huddles. His size is going to lower his value for some teams, and as good of a year as he's having, a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd seems like a lot of potential talent to part with. But you never know ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 expect similar dealls from other GMs longterm , front loaded but "merely fillers " at the end just to reduce cap hit. And for those who wish to sign hossa and trade flippula: I understand homerism but this exceeds my tolerance. I'm polite GET REAL!!!! Nobody wants Flippula nd there is no room for Hossa. And Hossa already had before the season 90 mil offer and after this season ther will be more lucrative offers, I'm sure. AND PLEASE STOP MASTURBATING THAT MAYBE HOSSA WILL TAKE "HOMETOWN DISCOUNT". DETRIOT IS NOT "HOMETOWN" FOR HOSSA AND WILL NOT EVER BE!!!! If people want to speculate of ways to keep Hossa why do you care. There are plenty of teams that would want Flippula with the promise that he has shown and the price he is locked in for. Look at what teams paid for guys like Finger. The more likely reason that Flip might not be gone is that Holland won't want to trade him less than a year after signing him to a 5 year contract. As for there being no way that we keep Hossa - you like everyone else have no idea whether we will or not. No one thought we would get him this season especially considering his other offers and no one thought we would lock up Z for close to $6M a year cap hit but Kenny and Co. found a way to make both of those things work, perhaps it will with Hossa this time or perhaps it won't but people thinking that there is the possibility that it will in not unreasonable. Finally, you have no way of knowing if Hossa will take a "hometown discount" to stay with the Wings or not and it is silly of you to chastise others for thinking that he might especially in light of the fact that (as you stated in the preceding sentance) Hossa did just that to come play for the Wings this year. You might not like to call it a "hometown discount" because he did not play here before but the result is the same as is most of the rationale. Hossa wants to win a Cup and after years of being on teams that are not in contention for a Cup every year wanted to play for a team that could. Furthermore, there has been somewhat of a general consensus that Hossa has wanted to be a Wing for a while and based upon his actions last year it is not unreasonable to at least consider that Hossa might be willing to take less to continue to play for this team and this franchise. If you are going to have your "tolerance exceeded" for other people's opinions maybe you ought to consider your own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged_Wheeler 3 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I'm still going to say, Hossa will be on the Wings next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 If people want to speculate of ways to keep Hossa why do you care. There are plenty of teams that would want Flippula with the promise that he has shown and the price he is locked in for. Look at what teams paid for guys like Finger. The more likely reason that Flip might not be gone is that Holland won't want to trade him less than a year after signing him to a 5 year contract. As for there being no way that we keep Hossa - you like everyone else have no idea whether we will or not. No one thought we would get him this season especially considering his other offers and no one thought we would lock up Z for close to $6M a year cap hit but Kenny and Co. found a way to make both of those things work, perhaps it will with Hossa this time or perhaps it won't but people thinking that there is the possibility that it will in not unreasonable. Finally, you have no way of knowing if Hossa will take a "hometown discount" to stay with the Wings or not and it is silly of you to chastise others for thinking that he might especially in light of the fact that (as you stated in the preceding sentance) Hossa did just that to come play for the Wings this year. You might not like to call it a "hometown discount" because he did not play here before but the result is the same as is most of the rationale. Hossa wants to win a Cup and after years of being on teams that are not in contention for a Cup every year wanted to play for a team that could. Furthermore, there has been somewhat of a general consensus that Hossa has wanted to be a Wing for a while and based upon his actions last year it is not unreasonable to at least consider that Hossa might be willing to take less to continue to play for this team and this franchise. If you are going to have your "tolerance exceeded" for other people's opinions maybe you ought to consider your own. How did you train your smileys to roll their eyes in unison? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) This is great news, no matter how you look at it. 10 years at just over 6 million for ZETTERBERG?!?! and then 2 extra years for a million a season. Kenny Holland is the best GM in sports, theres no doubt about it. This is amazing, if we move say Fillpula, or Franzen doesnt re-sign we could actually have room for Hossa, no way Edited January 28, 2009 by Detroit # 1 Fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 How did you train your smileys to roll their eyes in unison? You just have to lay down the hammer And then instill the fear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 WHOOOOOO HOOOOOO!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Now that Zetterberg's prisoned for life, what's the cap looking into next year? How much cap do we still have? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chelios57 31 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 What's the deal with the press conference? Where can we watch and/or hear it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 This is a great deal. Holland isn't perfect, but he is a good GM. Everyone knew that the plans were for Hank to be a Stevie-type franchise player, and it looks like everything is being set for that to happen. Now where can I get the best deal on a Zetterberg jersey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 12 years?!? Love the deal right now but a 38 year-old Zetterberg is NOT worth a 6 million cap hit. I would have preferred something like 9 years @ 7 million per year. Look at it this way, $6M is definitely underpaid for a player of Hank's caliber heading into the prime of his career. But it will probably be overpaying for him at the twilight of his playing days; so it all balances out, but because of the way it averages against the cap, the Wings are getting (relatively) huge amounts of cap relief to the tune of $1M+ every year. This is extremely clever cap management by Kenny, I'm very impressed by this deal and how it works out so magnificently for all parties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Now that Zetterberg's prisoned for life, what's the cap looking into next year? How much cap do we still have? $8 - $10 million -- depending on who comes up from GR or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I think the Wings braintrust has shown over the salary cap era they understand how it works and have certainly done enough to garner goodwill from us fans to trust they know what they're doing on the Zetterberg contract. I'm thrilled he'll be a lifer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpiritFan 37 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 LIVE STREAM ONLINE (STARTING NOW): http://redwings.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?ty...8&catid=884 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I love what he bring to the table, but 12 years is too long with his chronic back problems. $6 per is a fair amount of a discount, but I'd rather see Hossa of 12 years than Hank and his aching back. Such is life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Pancake 6 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Yay!! Great news to wake up to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokike 1 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) If people want to speculate of ways to keep Hossa why do you care. There are plenty of teams that would want Flippula with the promise that he has shown and the price he is locked in for. Look at what teams paid for guys like Finger. The more likely reason that Flip might not be gone is that Holland won't want to trade him less than a year after signing him to a 5 year contract. As for there being no way that we keep Hossa - you like everyone else have no idea whether we will or not. No one thought we would get him this season especially considering his other offers and no one thought we would lock up Z for close to $6M a year cap hit but Kenny and Co. found a way to make both of those things work, perhaps it will with Hossa this time or perhaps it won't but people thinking that there is the possibility that it will in not unreasonable. Finally, you have no way of knowing if Hossa will take a "hometown discount" to stay with the Wings or not and it is silly of you to chastise others for thinking that he might especially in light of the fact that (as you stated in the preceding sentance) Hossa did just that to come play for the Wings this year. You might not like to call it a "hometown discount" because he did not play here before but the result is the same as is most of the rationale. Hossa wants to win a Cup and after years of being on teams that are not in contention for a Cup every year wanted to play for a team that could. Furthermore, there has been somewhat of a general consensus that Hossa has wanted to be a Wing for a while and based upon his actions last year it is not unreasonable to at least consider that Hossa might be willing to take less to continue to play for this team and this franchise. If you are going to have your "tolerance exceeded" for other people's opinions maybe you ought to consider your own. 1.You at least admit that this all is happening is mere speculation. Good. The fact that Finger was well paid does not mean that trade with Flippula is likely. You're drawing absolutely not connected "conclusions". What I'd like to see is: how good is chance to get Flippula traded?( almost zero chance b/c of longterm extensive contract, IMO) And ppl are already discussing potential draft picks from Flippula trade... :huh: :huh: 2. Lidström took "hometown discount" b/c of he had earned pre salary cap era more than enough and still his "discount" was no more than a million Datsyk signing was sort of gamble b/c of his previos PO performances were huge dissapontments and I'll remember clearly that many forumites considered that deal to be "too risky and way too expensive". Datsyk did not take "hometown discount" Zetterberg actually did not take any discount: from 12 yrs he probably does not play more than 8 (even less is more likely) and remaining 4 ( probably more) years will cover up nicely "discount" from "playing years"( and even after retiring his contract will count vs cap). As in case of Flippula instead of posts like "oh, plz, kenny make magic happen, oh plz, Hossa take "hometown discount" ask yourselves: What does it "Kenny's magic" mean in real NHL and more importantly, isn't that "hometown discount" merely a myth? ( IMO it is - this discount isn't actually so big as perceived ) Keep also in mind that maybe Datsyk and Zetterberg own to Red Wings a little ( b/c of they were picked up from 200-ish draft spot and given a chance to play) but Hossa DOES NOT OWN TO RED WINGS ANYTHING - HE ALREADY TOOK DISCOUNT FOR ONE YEAR. Edited January 28, 2009 by hokike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Mr. Illitch looks sick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Rule_1010 4 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Mr. Illitch looks sick Indeed. He sounds like he is getting chocked up now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slave 31 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 love this deal love Z and love the wings, also love the s*** eating grin on hollands face when he started the conference Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
