Hossa to Sign Soon?

[thedisappearer 291]

Um...

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Why don't you just run along..

Good comeback. You still lose, but get a point for trying.

But for the record, who's better- Hudler or Filpula?

[Grim 5]

Who said that Hossa can't earn more than 6M in Detroit? Or is this one of those, "well if he does, we won't be able to sign anyone else" kinda things.

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[toby91_ca 620]

Who said that Hossa can't earn more than 6M in Detroit? Or is this one of those, "well if he does, we won't be able to sign anyone else" kinda things.

Try crunching the numbers. Hossa at $6 million means the Wings need to lose a lot more than just Franzen.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Good comeback. You still lose, but get a point for trying.

But for the record, who's better- Hudler or Filpula?

LOL and saying just "PWNED" is a really great argument too..hahahaha. Man should I be taking notes from your posts?!?!

And I've been on the record for a while now, I needn't repeat myself. Read what I've said again if need be.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Z and D for the C

[Happy Pancake 6]

If Hossa signs a long term deal here soon, I'm get a hossa tattoo on my ass.

Quoted for posterity.

[VM1138 1,921]

Good comeback. You still lose, but get a point for trying.

But for the record, who's better- Hudler or Filpula?

Hudler, hands down. More offensive talent, faster, getting amazing with the puck, and getting stronger on the puck. This is seriously a debate? Hudler does more with what little time he gets than Flip.

[This Is Bida 0]

Try crunching the numbers. Hossa at $6 million means the Wings need to lose a lot more than just Franzen.

I'm asking you a serious question here, not just trying to be a prick but do you truthfully think Franzen will sign for much less than 6? I just don't! The absolute lowest I see Franzen and his money grubbing agent signing for is around 5.0-5.25

(I also might be taking your post way wrong. To me your post seems to be saying "if we sign Hossa we lose Franzen and some others as opposed to signing Franzen and ONLY losing Hossa." If that's not what you meant, I apologize and you can totally disregard my comment.)

[This Is Bida 0]

Anyway back to the original topic, isn't hossa not even able to sign until a certain date? Could hossa sign right now even if he wanted to?

I don't think anyone answered your question so I'll answer it for you. Detroit couldn't offer Hossa a contract extension until January 1st. Obviously, now that it's past, we can sign Hossa as soon as they make a deal (which I'm praying to god is sooner rather than later and way before they make a deal with Franzen)

[Z and D for the C 712]

LOL...I hope we all get to hold you to this. Is should be your profile pic for at least a week to prove it.

Quoted for posterity.

The only issue being $$, if someone wanted to fund it, I would seriously consider it.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Z and D for the C

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

Quoted for posterity.

ah, posterior posterity.

[Yzerman191 37]

I'm asking you a serious question here, not just trying to be a prick but do you truthfully think Franzen will sign for much less than 6? I just don't! The absolute lowest I see Franzen and his money grubbing agent signing for is around 5.0-5.25

(I also might be taking your post way wrong. To me your post seems to be saying "if we sign Hossa we lose Franzen and some others as opposed to signing Franzen and ONLY losing Hossa." If that's not what you meant, I apologize and you can totally disregard my comment.)

Absolute LOWEST at 5-5.25M? No GM in their right mind is going to hand Franzen a 6M+ contract after one year of top-six goal scoring. Especially due to the fact that he's almost 30 years old, he's not proven he can be consistent (one year isn't enough for me), he has yet to prove he can stay healthy, and he isn't good for much else aside from goals. I'd say your low range would be most GMs high range.

The only contract I can see in support of this would be Ryan Malone, but that offer was from Tampa Bay, and I'm not sure their management even knows what sport they're involved in.

[Statts 4]

If Hossa signs a long term deal here soon, I'm get a hossa tattoo on my ass.

Although Im against it, but if Hossa does sign long term deal, Im calling you out and expect to see a picture in the tattoo thread.

[pockets 9]

You cant really say whos gonna get paid what amount we wont know until FA time GMs that are desperate for offense will throw money at a guy like franzen

Sundin something like 10m with the canucks (unless it changed)

Malone overpaid

Avery overpaid

Penner

Redden

Bertuzzi last year with the ducks

i can probably name a few other guys who are overpaid but the point being is if a GM views Franzen as the "missing piece" he will get an offer that is higher then he deserves

[Seraph 240]

There's no question that Franzen is at his peak value right now. Probably more than ever, this is his opportunity to sell himself for a lot of money. He will for sure get a buttload more somewhere else. That's not even a discussion.

This also makes it seem like he won't stay. If this is his only chance to cash out, a good investor would go for it. He may never have this high of value again. And cashing out with the Wings is at this point impossible. Would you swallow your chance at millions to stay "loyal" to your team if it was possible you could never do it again?

[Cern 0]

Absolute LOWEST at 5-5.25M? No GM in their right mind is going to hand Franzen a 6M+ contract after one year of top-six goal scoring.

Ah hahahaah. I think you vastly overestimate a large number of GMs in this league.

Besides, some teams are going to overpay just because they need to clear the cap floor. if he talks with a team with a trigger-happy front office I see 6mil being a very plausible overpayment.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Cern

[Nev 1,085]

Hudler, hands down. More offensive talent, faster, getting amazing with the puck, and getting stronger on the puck. This is seriously a debate? Hudler does more with what little time he gets than Flip.

Faster? Seriously?

I make this point every time the Hudler v Filpulla debate rolls around. Who shut down Evgeni Malkin in last years finals, playing on one knee? If any of you seriously think Hudler could have outplayed Malkin as well as Flip did, well, I don't know what to say to you.

Oh, and for the record, with all the "Filpulla has regressed" opinions, he has already set a career high for assists this season and is on course for a career high in points - all whilst mainly playing on the 3rd line and little PP time.

Hudler is clearly a better scorer, and I love his scrappy-doo attitude, but don't just look at the points totals and then dismiss Flip.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Hudler, hands down. More offensive talent, faster, getting amazing with the puck, and getting stronger on the puck. This is seriously a debate? Hudler does more with what little time he gets than Flip.

Faster???

I see Nev picked up on it to and made some excellent points.

[norrisnick 1]

I'm asking you a serious question here, not just trying to be a prick but do you truthfully think Franzen will sign for much less than 6? I just don't! The absolute lowest I see Franzen and his money grubbing agent signing for is around 5.0-5.25

(I also might be taking your post way wrong. To me your post seems to be saying "if we sign Hossa we lose Franzen and some others as opposed to signing Franzen and ONLY losing Hossa." If that's not what you meant, I apologize and you can totally disregard my comment.)

Out of idle curiosity, just where in the hell did this view of Franzen come up? Because he didn't want to bend over for Holland and take a long-term rock bottom rogering like Lebda did? Maybe, just maybe, he and his agent realized that he was more than a mere career scrub. And even the "money grubbing" that he did only amounted to a roughly $900K salary. I highly doubt Kenny feels cheated by what he got out of Franzen for that deal.

[norrisnick 1]

Faster? Seriously?

I make this point every time the Hudler v Filpulla debate rolls around. Who shut down Evgeni Malkin in last years finals, playing on one knee? If any of you seriously think Hudler could have outplayed Malkin as well as Flip did, well, I don't know what to say to you.

Oh, and for the record, with all the "Filpulla has regressed" opinions, he has already set a career high for assists this season and is on course for a career high in points - all whilst mainly playing on the 3rd line and little PP time.

Hudler is clearly a better scorer, and I love his scrappy-doo attitude, but don't just look at the points totals and then dismiss Flip.

Mike Richards.

[LIDDYGIBBY5 1]

If those numbers are accurate, then I think the anti-Flip arguments have to bed put to bed for good.

If those numbers are accurate, it means that Fil is expendable. They have equal even strength numbers with non-equal even strength playing time. Huds produces on the PP and gets the time because of it. Huds also does it for less $$$. I'm not anti-Fil, I'm pro staying under the cap with the best players possible.

[thedisappearer 291]

LOL and saying just "PWNED" is a really great argument too..hahahaha. Man should I be taking notes from your posts?!?!

And I've been on the record for a while now, I needn't repeat myself. Read what I've said again if need be.

If you prefer, I can quote all of the psots that show hoe dumb yours are.

Or, I can just say PWNED and save us all some time.

[hokike 1]

If hossa won't agree with 6mil, then from Red Wings perspective, further negotiations are pointless.

[PROBIE4PREZ 58]

Its funny how that nobody can make more than Z .. pretty obvious who is next in lin to wear the C

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

No one knows what is going to happen with the Hossa, Franzen situation period.

We have some facts, but they do not lead to anything solid yet.

Facts:

* Hossa has stated on more than 1 occasion he loves it in Detroit.

* Hossa took less money to come to Detroit to be on a winning team.

* Hossa has fit in well with this team and seems to be having a good time.

* Franzen news in the same nature has not been as numerous, but this could simply be because Hossa is getting more focus.

* Franzen has also stated albiet not a loudly as Hossa that he would like to stay a RedWing

* Rumor? Many say Franzen was not so easy to sign the last time.

* Holland has put out many hints that 1 of the 2 will be signed before the playoff's (at this point with the time frame he put it (4 to 6 weeks a couple weeks ago) we should be hearing something within a month).

Lots of speculation on moving players like Flip, not resigning Sammy and much more come into play by many in order to make more cap room and bringing up Helm and cast from GR, but these guys in a year or 2 will also demand larger paychecks....

Bottom line on all of this is that until there is an announcement, you might as well flip a coin...

Um...read your own post. If "you" are to believe "you" then clearly Hossa is more likely.

[VM1138 1,921]

Faster? Seriously?

I make this point every time the Hudler v Filpulla debate rolls around. Who shut down Evgeni Malkin in last years finals, playing on one knee? If any of you seriously think Hudler could have outplayed Malkin as well as Flip did, well, I don't know what to say to you.

Oh, and for the record, with all the "Filpulla has regressed" opinions, he has already set a career high for assists this season and is on course for a career high in points - all whilst mainly playing on the 3rd line and little PP time.

Hudler is clearly a better scorer, and I love his scrappy-doo attitude, but don't just look at the points totals and then dismiss Flip.

Well, we would have Hossa to shut down those top forwards. Hossa is basically a massive upgrade on Flip, so keeping Hudler would serve the team better than keeping Flip.