sureWhyNot 19 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 I truly don't understand all the fighting in this thread. As everyone here knows, there are two ways to play hockey: Physical & finesse. The Wings just happen to be a finesse team. Where's the issue with that? Of course, we'd love to see more fights. And if the team switched over to a physical style of play, I'd be just as much of a fan as I am now. But as of now, we're NOT a physical team. Fighting about whether we should be on an internet forum isn't going to change that. The Wings get the job done, whether it's on muscle or skill. So why are we acting like this? Come on now, do you really have to rain on our parade like that? There is some folks on this forum that love this aspect of the game, and seeing as though Marian Hossa, one of our elite point producers, snapped a 36 game FM drought for the boys in the Winged wheel. I also want to say that all we can do (those of us who enjoy a good tilt here and there) is talk about it on the forums, seeing as though it just doesn't really happen on the ice... Ever... If you don't like the talk then why would you even bother clicking a thread titled "Hossa Fight"? I mean what did you think it would be about? If it gets to you then ignore the aspects of conversation that include fighting -- it's really that simple. I mean you guys (the individuals who would rather not carry true enforcer) have already won -- the Wings refuse to keep one on the roster. So with that said, is it really too much to ask for us fighting pugilists to get a little excited when a Winger, let alone Hossa, drops the gloves -- and wins? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Yes, get rid of one of the best faceoff guys in the league. Brilliant. Never mind he's minus 14 with a line with the much-maligned Kopecky on it. Also, look at how that would be perceived by other players- dumping a longtime contributor because they've slipped a little isn't going to make others want to take the famed Hometown Discount. Trade Kopecky, sure, but Malts and Drapes stay. As for fighting, my perspective's a bit unique. I boxed in high school, still do so recreationally, and I know exactly what it means to take a haymaker in the face. Do I have a problem with the Wings fighting? No. It's essentially self-defense, as last night was. Do I want to see them carry a dedicated enforcer? Not unless they also have an offensive upside. I would be fine with them having zero fights a year, if they keep winning. Maltby was a healthy scratch last night for a reason, he's contributing even less than Kopecky. And regardless of his faceoff percentage, Draper is 803rd in the league in +/-, leaving only 20 players in the ENTIRE league that are worse. This isn't meant as disrespect of Draper's past contributions, the man was crucial to our success, but it's time to let go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Come on now, do you really have to rain on our parade like that? There is some folks on this forum that love this aspect of the game, and seeing as though Marian Hossa, one of our elite point producers, snapped a 36 game FM drought for the boys in the Winged wheel. I also want to say that all we can do (those of us who enjoy a good tilt here and there) is talk about it on the forums, seeing as though it just doesn't really happen on the ice... Ever... If you don't like the talk then why would you even bother clicking a thread titled "Hossa Fight"? I mean what did you think it would be about? If it gets to you then ignore the aspects of conversation that include fighting -- it's really that simple. I mean you guys (the individuals who would rather not carry true enforcer) have already won -- the Wings refuse to keep one on the roster. So with that said, is it really too much to ask for us fighting pugilists to get a little excited when a Winger, let alone Hossa, drops the gloves -- and wins? I never said I was one of the ones who didn't like the fighting. I get just as excited over a good hockey fight as anybody in this thread. I don't, however, see a point in fighting with people about it. I clicked on the thread to see the video.. and read the comments from there. I wouldn't have said anything if it was just friendly debate - but go back and read what this has turned into. Personal attacks on other users. THAT'S what I'm objecting to. We, as fans of the Red Wings, have it better than any other fans in the league - but we don't even recognize it half the time. If they were to read this thread, 70% of them would probably think "I wouldn't care about fighting if my team won as much as the Red Wings do." It just seems like overkill to me - to start personally attacking one another over an issue that has nothing to do with the team that we're all fans of. That wasn't directed toward everybody debating in this thread - just the few who took it too far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 I never said I was one of the ones who didn't like the fighting. I get just as excited over a good hockey fight as anybody in this thread. I don't, however, see a point in fighting with people about it. I clicked on the thread to see the video.. and read the comments from there. I wouldn't have said anything if it was just friendly debate - but go back and read what this has turned into. Personal attacks on other users. THAT'S what I'm objecting to. We, as fans of the Red Wings, have it better than any other fans in the league - but we don't even recognize it half the time. If they were to read this thread, 70% of them would probably think "I wouldn't care about fighting if my team won as much as the Red Wings do." It just seems like overkill to me - to start personally attacking one another over an issue that has nothing to do with the team that we're all fans of. That wasn't directed toward everybody debating in this thread - just the few who took it too far. But this is the interwebs Missy...it has three purposes. One of those is arguing with random people from all over the world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 But this is the interwebs Missy...it has three purposes. One of those is arguing with random people from all over the world Well.. BAN THE INTERWEBS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crabcakes'n'redwings 4 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 im just glad to see the Hoss throw down...it's a side we havn't seen in him as a Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUkrainian 49 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Hossa and Datsyk are going to lead in the Fighting Majors categories once the playoffs start, guaranteed. (as well as Points, Assists, and Goals) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 19, 2009 I truly don't understand all the fighting in this thread. As everyone here knows, there are two ways to play hockey: Physical & finesse. The Wings just happen to be a finesse team. Where's the issue with that? Of course, we'd love to see more fights. And if the team switched over to a physical style of play, I'd be just as much of a fan as I am now. But as of now, we're NOT a physical team. Fighting about whether we should be on an internet forum isn't going to change that. The Wings get the job done, whether it's on muscle or skill. So why are we acting like this? It's called a discussion forum. Should I elaborate any further for you? Call me crazy but i'd rather have somebody else do the fighting if it comes down to it. Maybe i'm crazy but I don't think 6 million dollar players ought to be fighting unless they really know how. So if your name isn't Iginla or Getzlaf, and instead it's Hossa, I'd prefer he not break his hand punching a 2nd tier dman on a team out of the playoffs at the end of a 6 to 2 drubbing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 It's called a discussion forum. Should I elaborate any further for you? Call me crazy but i'd rather have somebody else do the fighting if it comes down to it. Maybe i'm crazy but I don't think 6 million dollar players ought to be fighting unless they really know how. So if your name isn't Iginla or Getzlaf, and instead it's Hossa, I'd prefer he not break his hand punching a 2nd tier dman on a team out of the playoffs at the end of a 6 to 2 drubbing. Yeeah, I guess you told her/him. I don't believe you have to elaborate jack. I think this poster's whole point was that they would appreciate it if this site was more like that. A discussion forum...where people aren't fighting or putting down other posters over something this Wings team does not do. They hardly ever fight, period. They're a puck possession team and they do pretty well at it. The irony is I'm guessing this poster would agree with you about Hossa. But Suter deliberately ran him and Hossa reacted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 I never said I was one of the ones who didn't like the fighting. I get just as excited over a good hockey fight as anybody in this thread. I don't, however, see a point in fighting with people about it. I clicked on the thread to see the video.. and read the comments from there. I wouldn't have said anything if it was just friendly debate - but go back and read what this has turned into. Personal attacks on other users. THAT'S what I'm objecting to. We, as fans of the Red Wings, have it better than any other fans in the league - but we don't even recognize it half the time. If they were to read this thread, 70% of them would probably think "I wouldn't care about fighting if my team won as much as the Red Wings do." It just seems like overkill to me - to start personally attacking one another over an issue that has nothing to do with the team that we're all fans of. That wasn't directed toward everybody debating in this thread - just the few who took it too far. Why, it's like you climbed inside my head and stole my thoughts. Lock the door on your way out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inultus 12 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Very nice to see Hossa's dedication. Really hope we can keep him. But, as others have said, it's nice to have somebody who can fight on the team so the stars don't need to stand up for themselves. And although yes we are a finesse team, we won games with Downey in the lineup, and he has zero finesse. McCarty won't scare anyone, but he will fight (and he'll probably get hurt too). Now I don't believe the people who say we'll get knocked out of the playoffs because we aren't tough enough, but OTOH Pronger cut Holmstrom's head open, and Cleary of all people fights the guy??? Seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 You seriously thought that was a good showing by Hossa? It wasn't a good showing, but let's review: Crosby: - Not as good as Hossa - Whines - Cheap shots all dang long - Talks s*** all day long - Never willing to back up all his talk with any action other than cheap shots Hossa: - Actually good - Not a whiner - Does not fellate Bettman - Does not fellate Mario - Isn't afraid to drop the gloves for his team (even if he isn't a good fighter) To recap, Crosby is a whiny cheap-shotting cry-baby *****. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 It wasn't a good showing, but let's review: Crosby: - Not as good as Hossa - Whines - Cheap shots all dang long - Talks s*** all day long - Never willing to back up all his talk with any action other than cheap shots Hossa: - Actually good - Not a whiner - Does not fellate Bettman - Does not fellate Mario - Isn't afraid to drop the gloves for his team (even if he isn't a good fighter) To recap, Crosby is a whiny cheap-shotting cry-baby *****. First 4 years of their careers Playoffs Crosby GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM 2005-06 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 81 39 63 102 110 -- -- -- -- -- 2006-07 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 79 36 84 120 60 5 3 2 5 4 2007-08 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 53 24 48 72 39 20 6 21 27 12 2008-09 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 57 21 52 73 65 Hossa Playoffs GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM 1998-99 Ottawa Senators NHL 60 15 15 30 37 4 0 2 2 4 1999-00 Ottawa Senators NHL 78 29 27 56 32 6 0 0 0 2 2000-01 Ottawa Senators NHL 81 32 43 75 44 2000-01 Ottawa Senators NHL 81 32 43 75 44 4 1 1 2 4 Highest point total for Hossa has been 100 in 06. Crosby has hit 100 twice both in his first two years. No offense to Hossa, but I'd take crosby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Wow, I guess we're the wussiest team in any league now. This makes things look even more embarassing. Failbait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#18 the _Hoss_ 2 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Wonderful thread ! Can't wait for the next game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Whoever the moron was (not worth looking up the name) who said Franzen should fight should turn in their driver's license. I don't want this kind of person behind the wheel or a voting booth. Stop texting while you're at it. You've lost McDonald's Player of the Game privileges, too. Who was that person who started a thread last year in game 5 against Nashville, who said that we'd already lost the series? Oh BTW, I think it was Franzen who made that same person look silly about 5 minutes later. Ironic isn't it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
savaking72 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 All I could say was wow when Hossa dropped his gloves. Hossa's all right in my book. Anyone who sticks up for lil' ol Hudler like that is a keeper. Was sort mad about Franzen not dropping the gloves, but Hossa has tons of heart. Way to go Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Who was that person who started a thread last year in game 5 against Nashville, who said that we'd already lost the series? Oh BTW, I think it was Franzen who made that same person look silly about 5 minutes later. Ironic isn't it. That's why I love this board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Lets see the Wings won 6-2, most important, they didn't back down to an attempt to physical them out of the game, 2nd most important, and they had someone fight, least important (of the 3). I find it amazing that with 3 landed punches Hossa doesn't prove the wings don't need an enforcer, no no not on this board. The fact that a player who can score, pass, play defense, and throw the knuckles when needed to signifies to some of you that we need Aaron Downey??? Screw that if Hossa wants to drop every now and again to prove a point, yet score nearly 50 goals I am all for it. I have been saying all along an enforcer is fine with me as long as they can do something besides fill up a spot on the bench for 88% of the game, and spend another 6% in the bin and only 6% on the ice. Sure bring up Aaron Downey, great idea!! Agreed. I don't see why we need Downey on this team taking up a roster spot. A 4th line guy that can't play sitting on the bench waiting for someone take a cheap shot at one of our guys. I respect that he kicked Laperriere's ass last year after his cheap hit on Nick, but I think our guys can take care of themselves. Sure teams try to push us around, because the score is 6-2 or the like and they have no other recourse. I'm sure Franzen was saying "f*** you idiot look at the scoreboard - I'll score another one if your dumb ass winds up in the box again". It was great that Hossa will drop the gloves - I though that was awesome and I'm not against fighting - I just don't want some goon on skates taking a spot from someone that can actually play hockey.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I don't see why we need Downey on this team taking up a roster spot. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 esteef Amazing isn't it. Posters on this forum still think that we have Hall of Famers on our 4th line which can't possibly be replaced. How can you argue with such ignorance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I don't see why we need Downey on this team taking up a roster spot. I don't see why we need Kopecky on this team taking up a roster spot. I don't see why we need Chelios on this team taking up a roster spot. It happens. At least with Downey it would be someone who brings an extra dimension to the team taking up a spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I don't see why we need Kopecky on this team taking up a roster spot. I don't see why we need Chelios on this team taking up a roster spot. It happens. At least with Downey it would be someone who brings an extra dimension to the team taking up a spot. BUT IF KOPECKY ISN'T ON THE TEAM WHO IN THE HELL IS GOING TO DEMONSTRATE AND INSPIRE TO ALL THE YOUNG BENDERS OUT THERE THAT CAN BARELY STAND ON THEIR SKATES? WHOOOOO? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 BUT IF KOPECKY ISN'T ON THE TEAM WHO IN THE HELL IS GOING TO DEMONSTRATE AND INSPIRE TO ALL THE YOUNG BENDERS OUT THERE THAT CAN BARELY STAND ON THEIR SKATES? WHOOOOO? Cheers to Thursday night sauce!!!!! :beerbuddy: esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I don't see why we need Kopecky on this team taking up a roster spot. I don't see why we need Chelios on this team taking up a roster spot. It happens. At least with Downey it would be someone who brings an extra dimension to the team taking up a spot. How dare you compare Chelios to Kopecky. You should be drawn and quartered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
