hckypete96 3 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 ovechkins the most complete player in the world. also, i thnk canada could come up with a better than the one that was provided. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) Crosby is the most complete hockey player in the world. How can you say I have a personal biased then call Crosby the most complete player? How is Crosby better then Ovechkin, in any way? Use stats. Ovechkin is much better then Crosby offensively, more goals, more points, more trophies, over their careers, and nearly every single other stat. How is Crosby at all, complete defensively? Does he kill penalties? His +/- isn't exactly impressive. Their are a number of players I would consider, BASED on STATS, as more complete all around players. Datysuk, Ovechkin and Malkin being three of them. Datsyuk is nearly as good offensively, much better defensively. Malkin and Ovechkin much better offensive players, equally good defensively as Crosby. What category or stat does Crosby even lead in? Is he a great leader? I doubt it, the way his club has been floundering over the last 4 months. Edited March 20, 2009 by TheOwl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Ovetchkin is lame. I'd take datsyuk, zetterberg, or almost any wing over him any day. Cue a failboat picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I do kinda think this celebration was rather dumb, but let him learn his lessons his own way. Grapes was right on this one if Ovy takes it too far. As for which I'd pick between Crosby and Ovechkin, I'd pick Ovechkin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 all 50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman191 37 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I just saw the goal celebration. That was a little too elaborate, but I'm still not against his celebrations. I didn't like this one, but just look at the fans during his celebrations; they absolutely love how Ovechkin actually interacts with them. He bangs against the glass, looks at the crowd, points at fans, points to the sky (presumably for his brother), etc. Really charismatic. As long as he stays away from things like stick-guitaring I don't have much of a problem with it. Also, I think Ovechkin is more valuable to his team than Malkin is. Malkin is one of my favorite players, but if he doesn't show up for a game, the Penguins can usually count on Crosby for a point or two. Of his fifty goals, Ovechkin has TEN (!) game winning goals. Ovechkin doesn't spend much time playing defense because his coach hasn't asked him to. When you've got a player that talented, with that much raw goal scoring ability, do you really want to waste his energy on the PK? Of course not (especially with the Caps system). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Crosby is so underrated it's amazing. No use to argue it people, refuse to accept that a player that was as highly touted will ever be good. They enjoy exploiting negative attributes of player and dwell on it so they can feel indignant as they hopefully hurt the career of a hell of hockey player. People love seeing players fall from grace. It's a unfortunate thing the society has grown in the modern era... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Crosby is so underrated it's amazing. No use to argue it people, refuse to accept that a player that was as highly touted will ever be good. They enjoy exploiting negative attributes of player and dwell on it so they can feel indignant as they hopefully hurt the career of a hell of hockey player. People love seeing players fall from grace. It's a unfortunate thing the society has grown in the modern era... lol? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroTwin 240 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Imagine next year at the Olympics, a Datysuk-Malkin-Ovechkin line. No country can come close to that. I can't ******* wait to watch that line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 lol? = I would take Swedens top line over Canada's, Zetterberg-Alfredsson-Backstrom. Crosby sucks, you guys think way too highly of him. I'm Canadian, and I don't see why anyone thinks team Canada is the favorite. See? It's like this on practically every hockey forum. Personal bias aside so far Crosby has 386 points in his first 280 games. Won a Hart, Pearson, and Art Ross. And has played very well in his limited time in the playoffs. He is an amazing player. I'm not saying he is better then anyone else, I personally think it's foolish to say who is the best player, because ever team makes a variable that is uncontrollable. But you definitely can't just say 'he sucks'. That's just stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daniel1 32 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 You're using a personal bias to try and argue that a player is or isn't good. That isn't credible at all. I really hate to get into this again, but Crosby is the most complete hockey player in the world. Anyways, Alfredsson is on that slippery slope downward in his career. Not nearly as effective as he once was. Canada will be able to ice a roster that's has depth beyond imagination. Guys like Vinny Lecavalier, Getzlaf, Heatley, Spezza, St. Louis, Savard, Morrow, Nash, Carter, Staal, Richards (Mike), Doan, Marleau, Little are all better than most teams can muster up on the top lines, and a handful of those I just listed will have to be left off the team. That's not even getting into the old guard of guys like Ryan Smyth, Sakic, Gagne. The fact you're a Leaf fan tells me alot about your perspective on hockey, but seriously how can you call Crosby a complete player? Does he have the size to outmuscle opponents? No. Is he defensively complete on a Selke level? No. Does he excel at penalty killing or shorthanded chances? No. Is he looked to for defending his teamates or providing a deterrent against other teams taking liberties with his team? No. Does he exude leadership skills or have the ability to command the respect of his own teamates or other players in the league? No. As far as being a complete multi-dimensional player he just doesn't bring enough attributes to the ice. He's talented offensively and a gifted puck handler/playmaker but other than that I wouldn't rank him highly in very many other categories or consider him "complete". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolio Mendez 7 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) lol, Thornton. Whats funny? Thornton is highly regarded as the leagues best setup man by many hockey experts. I tend to agree. Recommend you to watch more hockey other than Wings hockey. Edited March 20, 2009 by Coolio Mendez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sureWhyNot 19 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I think it was tacky and in poor taste to tell you the truth. The more I think about it, the more I think it is out of line. You would have never seen Yzerman pull something like that -- and it is not a "euro" thing either. Hank wouldn't do it, Dats wouldn't do it, Sundin never would have done it, Larianov would have never done it, I mean the list can go on forever. It's not a "euro"/non-euro thing - It is a class/no-class thing, and it's judged on a player by player basis, not their ethnicity. Regarding the Olympics... Just remember these names: Parise-Gomez-Kane TEAM USA! FTW! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) I'm pretty iffy on Gomez. I'd probably stick him in there ahead of Drury or, heaven help us, Modano, but I'm not very high on any of Team USA's options at center. Except for Kessel, he's an excellent goal scorer, but I don't know enough about his two-way game. That said, Parise and Kane are a pretty dynamite pair of wingers. Edited March 20, 2009 by Heroes of Hockeytown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolio Mendez 7 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) ovechkins the most complete player in the world. also, i thnk canada could come up with a better than the one that was provided. .........but Ovechkin is a more all around player because he hits LOL. Several of Ovechkin's hits result in giveaways. Hitting is one thing, knowing when to hit is another. Ovechkin leads the league in giveaways (for the second year) He is still a lousy skater in traffic, and he is considered by NHL defencemen as easy to strip the puck from (see giveaways). He is far from a complete player as he is considered very selfish, and doesn't have a good read on the ice. Ovechkin leads the league in shots, and his own GM said that Ovechkin's inability to see other players on the ice has cost the Capitals at least 3 games this year. Most complete player in the world? Good one. Edited March 20, 2009 by Coolio Mendez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolio Mendez 7 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) How can you say I have a personal biased then call Crosby the most complete player? How is Crosby better then Ovechkin, in any way? Use stats. Ovechkin is much better then Crosby offensively, more goals, more points, more trophies, over their careers, and nearly every single other stat. How is Crosby at all, complete defensively? Does he kill penalties? His +/- isn't exactly impressive. Their are a number of players I would consider, BASED on STATS, as more complete all around players. Datysuk, Ovechkin and Malkin being three of them. Datsyuk is nearly as good offensively, much better defensively. Malkin and Ovechkin much better offensive players, equally good defensively as Crosby. What category or stat does Crosby even lead in? Is he a great leader? I doubt it, the way his club has been floundering over the last 4 months. Crosby's ranked 2nd by Central Scouting (behind Iginla) and Ovechkin is ranked 5th. In the end it all comes down to personal preferences, and 29 of the 30 NHL GMs prefer Crosby to Ovechkin (and that 29 includes George McPhee). I happen to agree. Crosby merchandise outsells Ovechkin merchandise. In games between the two, Crosby is outscoring Ovechkin 23 points to 15 Crosby's career ppg is 1.38, Ovechkin's is 1.27 Trust me when I say this, Crosby is the better definsive player than Ovechkin. So I fail to see where Ovechkin is better than Crosby in any area of the game. Crosby even had more votes for the all-star game from DC area IP addresses than Ovechkin. Edited March 20, 2009 by Coolio Mendez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pockets 9 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Crosby nor Ovie are complete ... yet ... they are young so i really think it will be a few years before we will really know remember Yzerman didnt really become a great 2 way player til he meet Bowman and it took time for both Dats and Z to find their 2 way game as well. Players who have the offensive skill that these two have dont normally come into the league with a great two way game now there are going to be exceptions but not many Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Alex Ovechkin scored his NHL-leading 50th goal of the season Thursday night to become the Washington Capitals' first three-time 50-goal scorer Considering all the great years Bondra had in Washington, that really surprises me. A very impressive achievement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I Red Wings I 40 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I saw one statement in yahoo blog that criticizes or doubts the possibility or responsibility that Ovie should be the mvp by his inconsistency. I never watched full Caps games so I don't know but Malkin has more points. Do you guys think Ovie deserves the mvp with the inconsistency according to the writer? What inconsistency? The most games he has gone without a point is 2 games and he did that twice! He leads the league in SOG by over 130 shots, leads the league in goals, 2nd in PPG, T-1st GWG, 7th in hits. He does however lead with the most giveaways, I think I could live with that when he puts up all those other stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I Red Wings I 40 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Considering all the great years Bondra had in Washington, that really surprises me. A very impressive achievement. Bondra had two 50+ goals seasons in his career Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 That was the worst goal celebration I have seen since Avery's pushup act. He scored a s***ty goal on a 1 on 3 that McKenna should have stopped, and he acts like that?? He looked like an idiot - even his teammates, who apparently helped him think of the celebration, didn't want to join in. Not to mention doing it all right beside the net of a rookie goaltender on one of the worst teams in the NHL. Well done. Yeah that celebration isn't so much mocking as it is juvenile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jocke 53 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 That was the worst goal celebration I have seen since Avery's pushup act. He scored a s***ty goal on a 1 on 3 that McKenna should have stopped, and he acts like that?? He looked like an idiot - even his teammates, who apparently helped him think of the celebration, didn't want to join in. Not to mention doing it all right beside the net of a rookie goaltender on one of the worst teams in the NHL. Well done. Maybe, just maybe, he wanted to celebrate his 50th goal and didn't care if it was a highlight goal or against a top goalie.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted March 20, 2009 He explained the celebration on tsn, like his stick was so hot he touched it and it burned his hand's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) He explained the celebration on tsn, like his stick was so hot he touched it and it burned his hand's So what was the downside of that mindfly??I'm sure you have something un-positive to say about a guy reaching 50 goals Edited March 20, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Ovechkin's obviously the greatest goal-scorer around. Most complete? That'd be Datsyuk... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
