Do you re-sign Marian Hossa?

[xtrememachine1 795]

Lids will resign under 5 million for sure.

I want to see him sign a 10 year / $7 mil contract (front load it of course) and then watch him retire after one year. lol Have Nick Lidstrom for less than a mill against the cap. The league would freak out!

[MileHighWingsGuy 178]

We carried dead weight quite a bit of the year this year, all I want next year is to have Leino, Helms, Erricson and Abdelkader in the rotation. If we can afford to keep Hossa great, but some of these young guys have serious talent and are kinda being wasted. We need to keep alot of guys happy so if Hossa's tag is too high I think we kept the right guy (Mule). Also prior to the play-offs I was cool with dropping Flip to sign Hossa, but after watching him dominate in the playoffs I'm not so good with that anymore.

[Rivalred 630]

We have to lose a hell of a lot more than Hudler and Sam to account for what Hossa would potentially sign for. Signing Hossa means we have to trade away $5M in salary already on the books. Helm, Ericsson, Howard, Leino won't save us even $1M if we use them to replace Samuelsson, Chelios, Conklin, and Hudler. Factor in that Z and Franzen have $6M in raises coming. So even if Hossa were to take a $2M haircut, we'd still have to shave off $5M. $4M to account for the net change in Hossa/Z/Franzen's contracts and $1M to replace the two players we trade away (ie two of Filppula, Kronwall, Stuart, Cleary).

Let Marian walk. Let Sam walk. Let Conk and Chelios walk. Sign Hudler. Bring up the kids. And we'd still be close to capped out, but at least we wouldn't have to dump salary. And that's taking into account the cap not moving at all. It could conceivably drop a million or two.

^^^^

This folks.

[CdnWingsFanEh 2]

THE END IS NEAR!

[IrishWing19 6]

We can't afford Hossa, at all.

A 19 player roster (11 forwards, 6 defensemen, 2 goalies), that loses Hudler, Sammy, Kopecky, Meech, Conklin and Lebda and adds, Helm, Leino, Ercisson, Howard and Abdelkader leaves Detroit with $2,637,680 in cap room. Not enough to add Hossa plus a 13th forward/7th defenseman. You can check it out here, it's not practical to have Hossa stay on after this year as much as we would like him to.

Edited May 11, 2009 by IrishWing19

[DMAC 25 18]

I have always thought that Hossa isn't worth the cap hit, and that he ruins the team chemistry. I think that we should let him walk after he wins his cup with us this year.

ruins the team chemistry? how so? seems like everytime you see him hes out there laughing with teamates.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Hossa and Datsyuk are the reasons we're even in the playoffs this year. Sign him.

Is this a joke?

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

I think you sign him back up as soon as you can.

[DMAC 25 18]

Hossa and Datsyuk are the reasons we're even in the playoffs this year. Sign him.

yea and while we're at it lets let lidstrom, Z, franzen walk. hell lets let the whole team go and build with new people around those two and see how things work out.

[Opie 308]

yea and while we're at it lets let lidstrom, Z, franzen walk. hell lets let the whole team go and build with new people around those two and see how things work out.

Yeah because that was exactly what the poster was suggesting!

I think Holland plays it the same way he did last year, he lined all of his ducks up in a neat little row, in order of his preference. First he got Z taken care of, then Mule, next will come Hossa and that will decide the whole thing.

Hudler, Sammy, Leino are all dependent on what Hossa does and to a certain extent same with Flip.

Flip is one of the peices that other teams would want that actually can be traded, Cleary, Stuart with NTCs.

I would not be surprised to see the Wings lose one of Helm or Leino. Draper and Maltby are not going anywhere soon.

Sammy is all but gone, Lebda is all but gone, Kopecky (IMO should be all but gone) is up in the air, Maltby I would love to see hang them up, doubt it happens and didn't he sign after 35 anyways?

In order to keep Hossa the Wings would need to shed atleast Sammy, Hudler, Kopecky, Lebda, Conk, Flip moneywise. This would also make room for Helm and Leino as well as potentially Abdelkader (although I see him being the next Helm, in the A until he can't be!

Either way this is a very tough decision, either Holland has to be willing to live with 0 cap space for years and the probability that it goes down, a ballsy move.

OR

Hossa would have to take a tremendous pay cut and put winning above all else. I mean it is not like the guy is living paycheck to pay check trying to make ends meet, but at the same time you cannot blame a guy for taking 8-9 mil a yearif some one wants to throw it at him.

[gowingsgo 3]

If he's willing to take a little less to stay here than yet. If not, well, we won a Cup without him and we have the younger guys to come in and build the future of this team. He's a luxury we can afford today. Tomorrow? Just don't know

[Frozen-Man 144]

There have also been some grim cap projections for the 10/11 season, too. Grim as in ~40M. Like RivalRed said, the money that comes off the books when Lidstrom's contract is up may not even be there to begin with. It may just be that the Wings have to use that 7.45M in cap space to become cap compliant, and not add a single defenseman - other than youngsters - to "replace" Lidstrom.

Maybe not 7M, but I cant imagine him taking less than 6M. And definitely not 5M. And if it is a 5M cap hit, its likely to be a 5+ year deal, and then the issue of having 22M tied up in 4 forwards for the next 5 years becomes huge, as 22M could be 50+% of the cap allowance in just 2 years.

I've been wondering about that projection of possibly a $40M (give or take) cap in 2010-11 because the average payroll (which I know is not the same as cap hit but I can't find the average of all the team's cap hits) for 2007-08 was $44.4M (and should be higher this year and next year). I know that they are saying it is a hard cap but if the cap drops roughly 30% in one year they may have to figure out some new option. The average salary of all teams is too much higher than they Cap at $40M and so team cannot trade players to teams well below the cap because there are too many over and not enough under. I can't imagine having all these teams already feeling the downturn in the economy having to cut players and pay partial salaries just to get under the cap. Those players will not be able to sign with other teams because almost every team will already be up against the cap and even if you aren't, as the Wings showed this year, they will want to have a little room for injury call ups. The cap floor this year is over $40M so it will be interesting to see what they do if the ceiling drops to that amount (or anywhere near it).

All that being said I am not sure about Hossa. He is one of my favorite players and definitely worth $7-8M - the question is whether he is worth $6-7M to the Wings. Even without Hossa the Wings have 2 of the best two way players in the game, have lots of offensive fire power and have defensively responsible forwards. I like the guy and hope that Kenny can figure something out that won't kill the Wings cap wise but I think it is going to be hard for the Wings to spend that much on a guy, who because of our other talent, is a luxury not a necessity.

[BigWinston 15]

Hossa never clicked on the Datsyuk line really.

With Z & Dats you have one of the best pairs in the NHL, and Hossa with Filps and the Mule - It's DYNAMITE.

I want him to stay and think he will (based purely on wishful thinking).

[Dimaline312000 51]

If nothing else I'd like to see Hossa stay in Hockeytown for another 2 to 3 seasons. I don't know if the Wings will be able to sign him long term but changes need to be made on the roster to bring up some youth and after that is done maybe the Wings will find themselves with an extra 2 or 3 Million and the Wings can sign Hossa to a 5 or 7 year deal. I say the Wings need to keep Hossa for as long as possible.

[Casey 145]

I'd be willing to bet you see Hossa take a big-league cut to play for Detroit. $4M or so sounds right, based off his statements that he doesn't care about the cash, but the winning.

[RedWingsRox 614]

You gotta be kidding .. $4M ??!! No way.

Once he wins the Cup this year, he would have fulfilled that desire and then head to Edmonton or LA for paydirt.

[wingsdiehard13 33]

I want to see him sign a 10 year / $7 mil contract (front load it of course) and then watch him retire after one year. lol Have Nick Lidstrom for less than a mill against the cap. The league would freak out!

Yeah, and then we would be stuck with his cap hit for 9 years because he is over thirty-five.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

Hossa never clicked on the Datsyuk line really.

With Z & Dats you have one of the best pairs in the NHL, and Hossa with Filps and the Mule - It's DYNAMITE.

I want him to stay and think he will (based purely on wishful thinking).

It's not just wishful thinking. Both Hossa and Holland have strongly indicated they want to make it work. The question if they can solve the cap.

[dawings1905 2]

You start chuckling, and other people start thinking about the cap ceiling in 2 years.

This isn't about Hossa's contract now - its clear that hes an asset in this playoff run - but his next contract may have largely unintended, yet negative, consequences.

I love how the internet rumor mongoring about the salary cap has some of you wizzing in your pants. Seriously people, how long does kenny and the wings have to keep proving you all wrong before you all just learn to say....Kenny knows what he's doing, so I can just chill about all of this. If the wings sign him good, if not good. No biggie. And all this talk about the Cap being 40 million is pretty absurd at this point. No one knows anything right now. NO ONE!!! Just cause the economy is tanking in Detroit, doesn't mean that is what it is doing everywhere. My house appreciated by 6 percent last year. Later.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

I love how the internet rumor mongoring about the salary cap has some of you wizzing in your pants. Seriously people, how long does kenny and the wings have to keep proving you all wrong before you all just learn to say....Kenny knows what he's doing, so I can just chill about all of this. If the wings sign him good, if not good. No biggie. And all this talk about the Cap being 40 million is pretty absurd at this point. No one knows anything right now. NO ONE!!! Just cause the economy is tanking in Detroit, doesn't mean that is what it is doing everywhere. My house appreciated by 6 percent last year. Later.

If the cap dropped to 40 million, half the teams in the NHL would be in the same boat as us. If we can sign Hossa to a Z contract to retire here we should do it in a heartbeat. Yes, we may lose a couple of our mid tier players like Sammy and it's unfortunate, but you can't have everything. And with the pipeline ready to crack the Wings from GR with our best players signed until the next ice age and their cap hit not going up as the cap goes up, we'll have the cap to keep our youngsters. If we let guys like Hossa go, we have more cap to sign mid tier players in the short run and we lose an elite player. Big whoop.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Once he wins the Cup this year, he would have fulfilled that desire and then head to Edmonton or LA for paydirt.

I completely disagree. Hossa joined the wings because it's a winning team, and he wants to stay because it's a winning team. I think he wants to win over his entire career, not just once.

Edited May 11, 2009 by Z and D for the C

[Z and D for the C 712]

And the cap isn't going to drop to 40 mil. I'll be surprised if it goes under 50 mil.

[BowHuntingFool 0]

I completely disagree. Hossa joined the wings because it's a winning team, and he wants to stay because it's a winning team. I think he wants to win over his entire career, not just once.

Yeah, I hear ya, he wants to be on a winning team from here on out, and what better team than the Wings. If he's willing to work it out like he says he does, no doubt... sign him!

[Casey 145]

You gotta be kidding .. $4M ??!! No way.

Once he wins the Cup this year, he would have fulfilled that desire and then head to Edmonton or LA for paydirt.

He could have had the big payday in Pittsburgh, and a shot at the Cup. He took less money to come here. He could have had giant money in Edmonton (I think $10M was on the table), and took a $3M pay cut for Detroit.

They'll find a way.

Oh, by the way... wingsdiehard13? Hossa's 30, not 35.

[titanium2 867]

And to think, with all the options and free agents, this is a roster that's a rather "worst case" scenario:

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Holmstrom

Hudler-Filppula-Franzen

Leino-Helm-Cleary

Abdelkader-Draper-Maltby

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Ericsson-Lilja

Meech