GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 You're 100% right. To be perfectly honest, Holland should sign Sammy over Hossa. Hossa is very over-rated. Good players are able to break out of funks, and at least contribute in some way. Hossa has been bad in all areas of the game these play-offs, minus one or two games. He should be let go for sure, espesically if he wants anywhere near Franzen. The Mule is a beast, Hossa is a bench warmer. That's a fact. This team doesn't need Hossa, and at this point, he's just wasting Datysuk's play making skills. Get Leino in their, at least he might be able to score every second game or so. You're forgetting that Hossa was one of our 2 best forwards this season. His struggling right now is no better or worse than what Datsyuk is going through. By your analogy we may as well get rid of Pavel in the offseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yak19 303 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 You're forgetting that Hossa was one of our 2 best forwards this season. His struggling right now is no better or worse than what Datsyuk is going through. By your analogy we may as well get rid of Pavel in the offseason. Do not compare regular season to PO. Datsyuk, although snake bitten offensively, is playing with purpose and he is lights out on the defensive end.... do not compare these 2 ever again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 He plays well 5 on 5, but on the PP he still annoys the hell out of me, especially when his shots are constantly getting blocked. He just looks lost out there on the point and rarely makes the right decision. He belongs on the 3rd line where he can only do good. Give him more responsibility and that's when people start bashing him the most. One of the very few times I'll say this, but I agree 110%. If Babcock would just keep him off the PP point, 90% of the things I hate about Sammy would go away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) You're forgetting that Hossa was one of our 2 best forwards this season. His struggling right now is no better or worse than what Datsyuk is going through. By your analogy we may as well get rid of Pavel in the offseason. Hossa is the finisher on that line. The problem isn't Datysuk, Pavel is getting Hossa the puck, but he just throws it away. Plus with Homer looking tired, I don't blame Datysuk. He's playing with a guy who never passes and misses the net half the time, and a 36 year old man. The point is, Datysuk is under contract, Hossa is not, and Hossa should be the one earning his 7.45 million, and fighting for a new contract. Edited May 17, 2009 by TheOwl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Why...Are pucks that hit the glass now considered goals? "Ooh! Look at that black mark it left. That's a goal!" It'll never cease to amaze me how readily some posters here jump to insulting players on the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hankzet40 233 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 He reminds of Lang. Pisses you off most of them yet most of the goals he scores are extremely important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 The whipping boy does it again! Big goals deep in the playoffs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1wings1 3 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Are you kidding? This guy is a turnover machine. He makes bad decisions all the time. He better score some damn goals. I liked it when he was on the 4th line and his role was to grind it out. That's perfect for him. Pin pucks against the boards. But for God's sake, don't put him on the power play. He's on a hot streak right now and everyone forgets how he's one of the weakest links on the team overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 You're 100% right. To be perfectly honest, Holland should sign Sammy over Hossa. Hossa is very over-rated. Good players are able to break out of funks, and at least contribute in some way. Hossa has been bad in all areas of the game these play-offs, minus one or two games. He should be let go for sure, espesically if he wants anywhere near Franzen. The Mule is a beast, Hossa is a bench warmer. That's a fact. This team doesn't need Hossa, and at this point, he's just wasting Datysuk's play making skills. Get Leino in their, at least he might be able to score every second game or so. It's all mental for Hossa really. The only chance in hell of resigning Hossa means trading Cleary, Flipulla or Stuart. And all 3 of those guys has far out performed Hossa in these play-offs. Hossa knows for a fact he won't get re-signed, and maybe he thinks this may be his last chance to win a cup. Hossa knows he won't be back, and it's completely ruined his confidence. It's kind of sad that Hossa can't step up. Z, Franzen, Hudler, Sammy, Conks etc have all been fighting for their new contracts. Now that Hossa knows he won't get one, he has given up. But how do you really feel about Hossa? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut40 176 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Sammy scores fluke goals at the right time. Wouldn't call him clutch though. Yeah, scoring the 1st two goals in Game 1 of the Cup Finals last year was so fluky. What a worthless waste of human tissue he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Right now he's outperforming our first-liners. To me, that counts for a lot. This. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 It'll never cease to amaze me how readily some posters here jump to insulting players on the team. Same goes for the other way around. People see the puck go in the net and assume that player is playing great. Sammy should put the puck in the net, but when he isn't he can look like an AHL player. Goals are nice, a complete game is better, he absolutely is not outperforming our top players (as someone mentioned) because those top players bring so much more to the game that Sammy will never be able to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted May 18, 2009 It'll never cease to amaze me how readily some posters here jump to insulting players on the team. In-*******-deed. Which puts in perspective how s***ty they are when the Wings actually lose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lomekian 201 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Sammy always takes too much stick. He's a solid 3rd liner who's lapses and brain-farts are tolerated because he has a habit of getting big goals, is a right hand shot, and actually has the talent level to be a 2nd liner if he was more consitant. For the money he gets he's been a bargain for the wings, and if he'd resign for the same, I'd probably take him and the cap space over Hossa, who's current performance level is making it easier for Kenny to play hard ball with any contract negotiations. Sammy gets so much stick because of his over-use on the PP and the fact we can see that with better decision making, and using the body more in keeping with his size he could be a second liner.... Having said that, the Hossa bashing is out of order. He is a high impact, defensively responsible 2-way player who is a streaky (like most scorers). It wouldn't surprise anyone if him and dats suddenly turn things round and start piling up the points - though I'm amazed about how bad his shooting has been these playoffs, given his level of finish for the penguins last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Eat it Sammy haters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weGotTheCup89 41 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Offense and clutch-wise this playoffs Sammy > Hossa am i wrong? Well, since being 'clutch' is an immeasurable, very possibly. However, how do you think Samuelsson scores all these goals that you can recall from this year and years past? He's not the most offensively gifted player out there, and how he scores is by getting more shots to the net moreso than everyone else (except for a very select few). Check out the stats, Sammy's in the top 25 in the NHL in shots every season, but only about 7% of those shots end up in the back of the net. Career regular season stats: 2000-01 SJ 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000 2001-02 NYR 67 6 10 16 10 23 1 0 2 0 1 0 94 .064 2002-03 NYR 58 8 14 22 0 32 1 3 1 1 2 1 118 .068 2002-03 PIT 22 2 0 2 -21 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 36 .056 2003-04 FLA 37 3 6 9 0 35 0 1 0 0 1 0 50 .060 2005-06 DET 71 23 22 45 27 42 7 6 0 0 3 0 187 .123 2006-07 DET 53 14 20 34 1 28 6 8 0 0 2 0 189 .074 2007-08 DET 73 11 29 40 21 26 3 8 0 0 1 0 249 .044 2008-09 DET 81 19 21 40 0 50 7 13 0 0 1 0 257 .074 Career 466 86 122 208 38 244 26 39 3 1 11 1 1183 .073 Here's one of the most telling stats: While he was 3rd on the team in shots this year, while he was 13th out of 18 in shooting percentage of players who played at least 60 games, and Kopecky was the only forward to have a worse shooting percentage than he did. While I'm not trying to discount anything that Sammy has done for our team, and I do love the guy, don't build him up to something he's not: he's gonna score some timely goals when he throws that many shots towards the net, and great for us, the kid steps it up in the playoffs. If you want to sort through playoff stats from the past few years, yahoo has those too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Funny. I made a point in the thread (before Sammy scored) to say that hes been playing well the past 3 games or so. I'm one of the first to bag on the guy - hes my least favorite player on the Wings - but hes been working hard out there with Filppula and Hudler. Hes battling a lot more than some of the other guys on this team are... Having Raffi back in the lineup and Sammy off the first PP unit allows me to appreciate his work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 He has had some big games before, for sure. Game 6 against the Sharks and Game 1 against the Pens are obvious ones. He takes a lot of shots, into shin pads and into the goalies chest, but shooting, more often than not, is better than not shooting. He's still terrible on the PP, but what's a guy to do? Coach is putting him out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocket Queen 30 1 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 It's totally great to see Sammy scoring like that. I guess he really wants to stay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j.hoop 64 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Sammy scores fluke goals at the right time. Wouldn't call him clutch though. wow, talk about not being able to give credit where credit is due. his goal tonight, and his goal against anaheim were nothing but clutch. his goal today came off a wicked shot, not a bouncer that found its way in. go sammy!! i hate you most of the time, but then again, i love ya alot too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Are you kidding? This guy is a turnover machine. He makes bad decisions all the time. He better score some damn goals. I liked it when he was on the 4th line and his role was to grind it out. That's perfect for him. Pin pucks against the boards. But for God's sake, don't put him on the power play. He's on a hot streak right now and everyone forgets how he's one of the weakest links on the team overall. He's done nothing the hurt the Wings this postseason (or last). Sure, none of us like him on the PP, but aside from that I fail to see how he hurts the team. He's outplaying some of our top guys right now, sadly, and he's certainly earning his salary for a role player (around 1 mill I think). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) Well, since being 'clutch' is an immeasurable, very possibly. However, how do you think Samuelsson scores all these goals that you can recall from this year and years past? He's not the most offensively gifted player out there, and how he scores is by getting more shots to the net moreso than everyone else (except for a very select few). Check out the stats, Sammy's in the top 25 in the NHL in shots every season, but only about 7% of those shots end up in the back of the net. Career regular season stats: 2000-01 SJ 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000 2001-02 NYR 67 6 10 16 10 23 1 0 2 0 1 0 94 .064 2002-03 NYR 58 8 14 22 0 32 1 3 1 1 2 1 118 .068 2002-03 PIT 22 2 0 2 -21 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 36 .056 2003-04 FLA 37 3 6 9 0 35 0 1 0 0 1 0 50 .060 2005-06 DET 71 23 22 45 27 42 7 6 0 0 3 0 187 .123 2006-07 DET 53 14 20 34 1 28 6 8 0 0 2 0 189 .074 2007-08 DET 73 11 29 40 21 26 3 8 0 0 1 0 249 .044 2008-09 DET 81 19 21 40 0 50 7 13 0 0 1 0 257 .074 Career 466 86 122 208 38 244 26 39 3 1 11 1 1183 .073 Here's one of the most telling stats: While he was 3rd on the team in shots this year, while he was 13th out of 18 in shooting percentage of players who played at least 60 games, and Kopecky was the only forward to have a worse shooting percentage than he did. While I'm not trying to discount anything that Sammy has done for our team, and I do love the guy, don't build him up to something he's not: he's gonna score some timely goals when he throws that many shots towards the net, and great for us, the kid steps it up in the playoffs. If you want to sort through playoff stats from the past few years, yahoo has those too. Shooting on net is never a bad thing, I wish the majority of Wings players would take a lesson form Sammy instead of trying to make the perfect play on the powerplay Edited May 18, 2009 by Four Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Shooting on net is never a bad thing, I wish the majority of Wings players would take a lesson form Sammy instead of trying to make the perfect play on the powerplay Shooting for the sake of shooting is not always a good thing, it leads to blocked shots and turnovers. Making the perfect play takes time (which, i can understand, gets frustrating), but i'd rather see 1 or 2 quality scoring chances on the PP instead of a bunch shots from the outside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
