Chicago Fans Complaing about Missed Calls

[RyanK 1]

Ok, so since your moderator over there at boards.chicagoblackhawks has decided to not only not approve my (and others that I know of) registration, but also delete my login, I'm going to respond to this thread you guys have got over there called "We all know Bettman is an idiot...., But these conf. finals are a joke!" here on our boards in hopes you see it.

A couple of statements made in this thread have led me to believe you are BLIND or didnt watch the entire first period of play.

Example:

Having attended Game 1 in person, and watched game 2 on TV, though... holy crap... I don't know that I'd go so far as to say "conspiracy"... but favoritism / turning a blind eye? It's hard not to feel that way when seabrook gets his helmet ripped off and the ref picks it up, then instead of giving it to him, TOSSES IT BEHIND HIMSELF. It's hard not to feel that way when Patrick Sharp is body slammed to the ice and there is no call. It's hard not to feel that way when Dave Bolland is called for "hooking" when it wasn't remotely possible for him to have hooked the guy (you might argue he lightly crosschecked the guy.. maybe... but even if you argue that - get the call right.. there is no possible way that could've been seen as a "hook")...

Q needs to call out the refs.... if he doesnt then Tallon needs to........... The very least they should be on the horn to the league...because the third period was absolute crap.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it was hard not to think something is fishy after the officiating tonight. It seems that the refs have a respect and love affair with the wings. They have great players don't get me wrong, but the interference and diving that they get away with is Unbelievable! It is no wonder why no one can beat them.

Ok let's take a look at Detroit penalties period by period.

First Period:

10:33 Mikael Samuelsson: 2 Minutes for Crosschecking Dustin Byfuglien

11:34 Brad Stuart: 2 Minutes for Tripping Kris Versteeg

13:41 Tomas Holmstrom: 2 Minutes for Goaltender Interference Nikolai Khabibulin

Second Period:

3:18 Nicklas Lidstrom: 2 Minutes for High-sticking Matt Walker

19:21 Nicklas Lidstrom: 2 Minutes for Holding Jonathan Toews

Third Period:

4:56 Chris Osgood: 2 Minutes for Holding Dustin Byfuglien (Served by Darren Helm)

Now your team.

First Period:

7:14 2-Minute Bench Penalty for Too Many Men on the Ice (Served by Kris Versteeg)

15:26 Jonathan Toews: 2 Minutes for Tripping Pavel Datsyuk

Second Period:

2:26 Samuel Pahlsson: 2 Minutes for Holding Marian Hossa

Third Period:

4:56 Dustin Byfuglien: 2 Minutes for Goaltender Interference Chris Osgood

13:53 Dave Bolland: 2 Minutes for Holding Darren Helm

Ok so those are the numbers. 5 calls on you, 6 on us, which happened to result in a 5 on 3 for 1 minute. Im having trouble finding the evidence of the vast conspiracy to hold your team down allowing Detroit to advance. Did any of you watch the first period? I did, if there's any conspiracy its amongst your own teams players and their inability to capitalize on a 5 on 3. Why look for fault in the officiating when it obviously lies in the FACT that your team just isn't as good as ours. It's a difficult pill to swallow, admitting you're not as good. Thats why you look for excuses like "bettman wants a rematch det. vs pit.

Come on... Buff goal tender interference? He was pushed into him.

Yeah, how about "Come on... Ozzy holding? He was trying to push his fat ass off of him." These penalties were offsetting anyway. Overall in this series Chicago has had ONE more penalty called, and thats not even to mention the offsetting 4 on 4's.

Bottom line. There is no conspiracy against Chicago any more than there is one against Detroit given the numbers. Friday night you may win in UC, but we will split 1-1 with you and come back to win in 5. Just as anyone who knows anything about the game of hockey has predicted.

You're a good team, but not Wings good. That is why you lost, not a bettman conspiracy.

Edited May 20, 2009 by RyanK

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Good call, there just crying because they know there season is over. Plus, weren't they so happy to play us? Looks like there party is over.

[Mors 201]

What do you expect, at least half of their "fans" probably just found out that the Blackhawks still existed this season...

[egroen 384]

I don't think the officiating in this series has been good - as it has been very inconsistent, but at least both teams seem to be getting screwed over nothing calls while at the same time letting blatant penalties go, but I have not had the sense yet that the refs are having a large influence over the game. Hawks fans should just be happy the Wings special teams have been so awful. That's 11 straight games the Wings have given up at least 1 PP goal - nice handicap.

They should just be thankful the officiating thus far has not resembled the Anaheim series, which is just plain the worst I have seen in some time.

[JPT 26]

As usual the ref's missed calls on both sides. In particular I saw 2 occasions when the Wing attempting to play the puck was checked into the boards before he was within a few feet of the puck which should be an interference call. The Wings got away with a few as well.

It usually evens out....

[Vincanni 1]

There is no conspiracy at all, the refs are just completely inept at their job. If you start any game watching one team exclusively its going to seem like the refs are biased against them, but if you re-watch the game again from the other side you'll notice the same thing. Plain and simple, the refs suck and do a terrible job almost every game especially in the playoffs when so much is let go. They routinely let obvious penalties go and then crack down on incidents like cinchy little hooks and holds that don't even effect the game.

Granted stylistically, swallowing the whistle helps the team short on skill and higher in strength/grit as we all clearly saw in the Ducks series. However, I don't see how any Chicago fan can complain, for a team that opened the Vancouver series taking 7 penalties in the first half of the game, so far they've had more time on the PP than the Wings have had who all year round have committed fewer penalties.

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

Have there ever been hockey fans who blame a loss on the fact that the other team played better?

Not saying the Wings played better. I thought last night was pretty even.

[Dr. Gin 0]

Fans of all teams do this when they lose in the playoffs. Go look at the Calgary and Vancouver boards too.

[Tr!PoD#19 524]

After all the s*** they got away with in game 6 against Vancouver, they really shouldn't be whining.

I'm not surprised, though.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Anytime that Nick Lidstrom takes 2 penalties in a game, I know the officiating is at the very best, slightly tilted in the other team's favor. He takes a legitimate penalty once every 10 games or so, but those calls on him last night were absolute garbage. Datsyuk, Hossa, and Zetterberg deal with plays like that from the opponent every shift. If they were to consistently call penalties like the ones the refs called on Lidstrom last night, then the Wings would be on a powerplay 55 of the 60 minutes.

[NHLrules? 32]

Keep in mind probably about 10% of these fans never watched hockey before this year.

50% of those think Probert was a better fighter as a hawk. (just to point out the lunacy)

Most of the rest havent watched playoff hockey for 12 years.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Well after getting a 5 on 3 and landing Lidstrom in the box twice, not sure how one complains.

But Wings fans do the same thing - although in our case the Refs really are out to get us (ie waved off Ducks game tying goal)

Hawks fans need only look to their two huge defensive gaffs for blame. They were right in that game sans for some pretty stupid mistakes. Really impressive how the Wings totally capitalize on the smallest of things = priceless.

[cupcrazy 13]

Fans of all teams do this when they lose in the playoffs. Go look at the Calgary and Vancouver boards too.

Good call Gin,this is nothing new.As for OP,lets not get ahead of our slef assuming we will splint at the UNC.The Hawks will be very energized in front of there home crowd.

[Houdini 0]

Have there ever been hockey fans who blame a loss on the fact that the other team played better?

Exactly. Lord knows we've blamed the ref's in plenty of losses (*cough*anaheim*cough*). The ref'ing in this series hasn't been good, but it's been pretty bad to both sides. The Hawks got away with 3 obvious interference calls and it looks like we got away with a couple of high sticks and the goaltending interference probably should not have been called.

Officiating isn't the reason the Hawks aren't going to win this series, it's their lack of commitment. The Hawks remind me of a Red Wings team back in the early 90's, young, full of talent, and very offensive. It wasn't until Bowman came and taught us that defense wins championships that things started to go our way. Our most skilled players like Yzerman started killing penalties, diving on the ice to block shots, and racing back to play D. That still hasn't changed, as our best players are still the most committed defensive players we have.

Kane was as responsible as anyone for that OT goal, as he was standing right next to Samuelsson but only took two hard strides before giving up and letting Sammy make the 2 on 1 a 3 on 1. And I believe it was Kane who also said he wasn't out there to "block shots". If Chicago's best players keep thinking like that they'll never take the next step required to win championships.

- Houdini

[RyanK 1]

Good call Gin,this is nothing new.As for OP,lets not get ahead of our slef assuming we will splint at the UNC.The Hawks will be very energized in front of there home crowd.

Im not getting ahead of myself, this series ends in 5. If the stars align in just the right way for chicago then 6. But I say we split 1-1 over there with them winning friday and us coming back and taking the next 2.

Obviously I could be wrong, I'm just talking up my team.

[dat's sick 1,002]

Fans of every team thinks the refs are treating them badly when they lose. Hell, Pittsburgh fans even thought they were being screwed over by the refs in the Washington series, despite the Pens winning and having like 10-15 more PP's than the Caps in that series.

The officiating has been bad in the playoffs. This series is no exception, but for once I think neither team has really gotten it worse than the other.

The Wings have simply been better. If you give the other team a 3-on-1 in playoff OT you don't deserve to win.

[C-TownWing 0]

Wings fans NEVER complain about officiating!

There were bad calls both ways last night--the penalties on Pahlsson and Bolland were gifts, and with the latter one being late in the 3rd, it could've handed us the game had we scored on that PP.

I think the Hawks fan is off base with the Sharp-Abdelkader thing though...it looked to me like Sharp did more of the tackling than Abs. Both did at least a little bit of it though, so letting it all go maybe wasn't the worst thing to do there.

Also, the thing with Ozzie and Byfuglien...sorry guys, but it did look to me like Ozzie held him down in order to sell the interference call.

None of it matters though. Why complain about the officiating when you win?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Here's the thing. Some of the Hawks fans know this information already. Their argument isn't that the penalty calls are roughly even or not skewed in favor of the Wings.

Their argument is that the Wings commit a bazillion more penalties than we get called for.

I think their argument is 10% Byfuglien and Bolland should not have gotten called for penalties and 90% the refs missed 7-10 calls against the Wings.

That's right, if the calls last night were 5 penalites against Chicago and 13-15 against Detroit, then they wouldn't have a complaint.

The problem with this line of idiotic thinking is that fans only yell at the TV when they see an infraction that should've been called. And let's call a spade a fuggin spade, nobody yells at the refs when their team gets away with one.

Sure, maybe the Wings committed 7 or more fouls that weren't called. I'll bet you these Chicago jerks can't think of a single penalty against Chicago that was overlooked by the refs. It's selective observation at its finest. And ALL OF THE WORST FANS FROM EVERY TEAM do it.

For my part, I think the Wings are perilously close to picking up an extra 2-4 penalties per game. s***, just on the dives alone we could get called for unsportsmanlike 2 or 3 times per game.

How about the ref last night, Devorski was it, who scoffed at Franzen when he looked at him about a non call and the Devorski game him the diving motion with his arm. How embarrassing. Even the telecast guys briefly chuckled when they saw that.

Everybody dives. We dive more than anybody. We dive more than Crosby. That much is certain after watching these playoffs. I don't like it but I'll take it.

In the end, its all selective observation. Hawks fans are probably right that we should get called for another 5-7 fouls per game. But so should the Hawks and i'm sure there are plenty of Wings fans that can point out every single non call that went in the Hawks favor.

Don't pay any attention to those idiots. Try to watch the games objectively. Don't scream and holler at the refs when they miss a call against the Hawks and then watch one of our guys fall over after getting breathed on and not thank your lucky stars we didn't just get called for a dive.

ps: There was only 1 really blatant foul last night that bugged me. I think it was Eager but he absolutely smoked Lebda against the boards as the puck was coming around. Lebda never played the puck...the puck actually escaped him and was going up the boards when Eager just pancaked him. Lebs was 5 feet from the puck, never touched the puck and Eager made no attempt to play the puck. That's a pretty obvious call. But I saw some s*** we got away with too. That's hockey.

[chuklz 15]

Honestly the anaheim series was a complete crock and a half. They mugged the crap out of us and got away with it. I think we're very lucky we got out of that series intact.

We do have a better team, we have the best team in the league. Lidstrom got called twice cuz Lidstrom was on those poor little hawks like white on rice. He was shutting them down aggressively. He deserved both calls. In essence he was saying... Welcome to Playoff Hockey boys.

Poor Dustin, got shoved into Osgood and then Osgood wrapped his arm around him and fell down. Osgood deserved the holding penalty, but you can't argue that Dustin didnt deserve his because you must remain in control of your own body at all times. Again.... welcome to playoff hockey.

We are all very sure your young fast talented team will make it back here next year or the following year, but right now the Detroit Redwings are a dominant Dynasty and the chicago blackhawks are cute little pups to us. Talented and fast. But not experienced enough to leave enough gas in the tank for a 3 on 1 break away in overtime.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Im not getting ahead of myself, this series ends in 5. If the stars align in just the right way for chicago then 6. But I say we split 1-1 over there with them winning friday and us coming back and taking the next 2.

I disagree. This series has BROOM written all over it. If game 3 was tonight, I'd say Chicago could steal one. But the Wings get 2 days rest now, and that's pretty much a death blow to the Blackhawks. The series might go 5, but the game Chicago will win (if they do) is game 4. Game 3 will go to the Wings. Stamp it.

Obviously I could be wrong, I'm just talking up my team.

[crabcakes'n'redwings 4]

if ANYTHING...there is a something fishy going on because Nicky for a total of 4 min in this game...

[RyanK 1]

Jake Ryan

What?

[BewareThePenguin 1]

Ok, so since your moderator over there at boards.chicagoblackhawks has decided to not only not approve my (and others that I know of) registration, but also delete my login, I'm going to respond to this thread you guys have got over there called "We all know Bettman is an idiot...., But these conf. finals are a joke!" here on our boards in hopes you see it.

A couple of statements made in this thread have led me to believe you are BLIND or didnt watch the entire first period of play.

Example:

You're a good team, but not Wings good. That is why you lost, not a bettman conspiracy.

Well well well...

You all seem to have no problem crying out over the supposed conspiracy to favor the Penguins.

But let it be said about your guys and.... watch out! Suddenly all such talk deserves the tin-foil hat treatment.

Amusing to say the least.

[RyanK 1]

Well well well...

You all seem to have no problem crying out over the supposed conspiracy to favor the Penguins.

But let it be said about your guys and.... watch out! Suddenly all such talk deserves the tin-foil hat treatment.

Amusing to say the least.

Where did I say anything about the Pens?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Poor Dustin, got shoved into Osgood and then Osgood wrapped his arm around him and fell down. Osgood deserved the holding penalty, but you can't argue that Dustin didnt deserve his because you must remain in control of your own body at all times. Again.... welcome to playoff hockey.

I would disagree 100% with that statement. Looked to me like Buff was doing what he could not to fall on Ozzie. And he was off balance with just the crossbar holding him up at one point. I think if Ozzie didn't grab him that he never would've fallen. I think he'd have regained his balance and play would've gone on.

As for "you must remain in control of your own body at all times" I must ask 2 questions. 1. What exactly do you mean by that? 2. Have you ever put on a pair of ice skates and flung yourself all around a rink? So if I shove you into the crossbar you should get a penalty because you don't have control of your body? Maybe if I McSorely you upside the head you should get a penalty because you didn't have control of your unconsious body as you plummeted to the ice.