Marian Hossa, merged

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He scored in 3 out of 23 games.

Stop kissing his ass and admit that he's sucked and underachieved, or else you sound like some Hossa homer. Every statement you've made defending his play is stupid. There is no defending him, unless he was playing with a concussion the entire playoffs.

There's a difference between underachieving and implying that he cost the Wings the series. He didn't put up the same numbers as he did for Pittsburgh, but he was asked to play more of a two-way role and played significantly fewer minutes. In Pittsburgh (and Atlanta) he played 22 minutes per game and nearly the entire power play. In Detroit, he played half a powerplay if he got lucky and 17-18 minutes per game.

If this weren't your first season following hockey, you'd realize that a player's contributions go beyond his statistics. Two of Hossa's best games in the playoffs (Game 5 against Chicago and one of the games against Columbus), he didn't register a single point.

Stop being irrational and trying to lay the loss of an entire series at one player's feet.

[cirov19 1]

If we keep Hossa I PROMISE you he will be a thousand times better next year - with the absence of the immense amount of pressure.

[titanium2 867]

It wasn't pretty, but maybe he is hurt. The Wings really couldn't get to the net for one reason or another, so I'm not going to rail too hard on him for stuff like that.

It's hard to point to injuries when after we've seen Stevie play as well as Nick's endurance.

[titanium2 867]

If we keep Hossa I PROMISE you he will be a thousand times better next year - with the absence of the immense amount of pressure.

I wouldn't count on it. Two, maybe three successful years in the playoffs doesn't mean much in comparison to the others.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

More idiocy. Color me shocked. He was Ottawa's best player for their two most significant runs during his time there, he was a bad shoulder injury when he played in Atlanta's one playoff series, and tore it up last year.

Don't pretend you understand a player's career when you've followed him for a single season and googled his stats for the others.

I hate to ask you this, but are you by any chance married to Marian Hossa?

Everything you've said about him is idiotic, yet you keep talking s*** about my posts. Hossa is lazy and he sucks.

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So two years in comparison to how many he's been in the league for?

Two years? Two in Ottawa, one in Pittsburgh. That's actually three years out of four in which his team's playoff run extended more than a series.

Like I said, if you haven't followed his career, don't pretend you understand it.

[Firehawk 305]

I thought the Wings were streaky all season. They would play great, then fall apart for a couple of games. It was maddening. I just did a quick search and we lost five straight in January '09. There may be more, but I didn't look.

I still hate Sydney Crosby. Bleah. At least the NHL now has their golden boy with the cup. He was in every NHL commercial anyway.

Well, it was to be expected in the regular season, coming off a championship. They coudl'nt have been too bad, i mean after all they still won 50 games. No complaints. But yes, in games they seemed to do 'just enough' to win games. Lots of 1 goal games this regular season, especially early in the season (and let's not forget, Hossa was a big reason for those wins at the time).

In round 1 of the playoffs, the Wings played complete games I thought. But, they seemed to start slacking in round 1 game 4 in that 6-5 win, then versus Anaheim they didn't play many complete games if at all (may be due to Anaheim though). Versus Chicago it was always a slow start, or a fast start and slow finish, or something. But we had such a superior talent and we weren't too banged up in the start of that series. It just finally caught up with us in the finals. Whether we were just too banged up, or if we took the opportunities for granted, who knows?

To the Victor goes the Spoil. The one thing I was really afraid of after game 6 was the hunger and determination that the Pens would have in this game. It is only natural they had more because they lost last year. Had this been reversed, we would have had more desire and hunger and probably would have won.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Two years? Two in Ottawa, one in Pittsburgh. That's actually three years out of four in which his team's playoff run extended more than a series.

Like I said, if you haven't followed his career, don't pretend you understand it.

I think we saw enough this year.

Not one of those teams was EXPECTED to win the Cup. The Wings were.

That's the important distinction.

Add to that he couldn't score against columbus without it being game 4. He played decently against Anaheim was immediately started sucking again against Chicago.

[hardcoretom21 71]

Hossa didn't score this series.... But neither did Homer, Hudler, and a lot of other players... Stop freakin' blaming it on one guy who took less money to come here. They ALL do that for crying out loud!

He scored 40 goals this season, he's a main reason why game 7 was in the Wings building and not in s***tsburgh. Things didn't click for him this playoff run, but he tried

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I hate to ask you this, but are you by any chance married to Marian Hossa?

Everything you've said about him is idiotic, yet you keep talking s*** about my posts. Hossa is lazy and he sucks.

This is why you're a dips***. You can't provide a single objective reason why he "sucks," all you have are your ad hominem attacks. That's a telltale sign that you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

You were wrong to try to blame a series loss on him, you were wrong about his contributions while playing for other teams, and you were wrong about his contributions during this run. In fact, I can't think of a single instance where you said something that was correct. That's a monumental achievement for someone who identifies as a Red Wings fan. You take the art of being habitually incorrect to previously unexplored heights.

[OsGOD 3]

If we keep Hossa I PROMISE you he will be a thousand times better next year - with the absence of the immense amount of pressure.

just like he was bound to score a goal in the final 7 games... yeah yeah yeah nothing but blowing smoke

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

It's hard to point to injuries when after we've seen Stevie play as well as Nick's endurance.

Hossa's not as good as either player when healthy.

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I think we saw enough this year.

Not one of those teams was EXPECTED to win the Cup. The Wings were.

That's the important distinction.

Add to that he couldn't score against columbus without it being game 4. He played decently against Anaheim was immediately started sucking again against Chicago.

He was the best player on the ice for games 4 and 5 of the Chicago series.

[lytmup68 0]

I'm not depressed, I'm being pragmatic. Lidstrom looks his age, an aging roster will only be one year older, and the young guys aren't there yet. Osgood is a major issue, too.

I honestly think this team will not have what it takes to vie for the Cup next year. I would've said the same exact things had the Wings won.

I totally agree..............Win or lose. Look how DRW played Chicago, and Anaheim. Columbus is small market and nothing to hang hat on. San Jose, Anaheim, Boston or even Hurricanes next year. They respect DRW, but speed kills. Bowman gone doesn't help. Need to start getting the youth back into DRW. Drapper,Liddy,Chelly,Ozzie out......Good guys and don't get sentimental, but lets get back after the cup with some speed and urgency! I thought all was lost without Shanny, McCarty, LaPointe, Avery, etc. but all is good!

[titanium2 867]

Two years? Two in Ottawa, one in Pittsburgh. That's actually three years out of four in which his team's playoff run extended more than a series.

Like I said, if you haven't followed his career, don't pretend you understand it.

So he had a good first couple of playoffs and was able to produce next to one of the greatest talents in the world. Well why is it that he's a superstar on teams that have so little playoff success? They expect him to step up and what happens? He himself admits that he doesn't like being that guy. He gets paid like a first liner who really deserves to play on the second line.

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[GMRwings1983 8,804]

This is why you're a dips***. You can't provide a single objective reason why he "sucks," all you have are your ad hominem attacks. That's a telltale sign that you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

You were wrong to try to blame a series loss on him, you were wrong about his contributions while playing for other teams, and you were wrong about his contributions during this run. In fact, I can't think of a single instance where you said something that was correct. That's a monumental achievement for someone who identifies as a Red Wings fan. You take the art of being habitually incorrect to previously unexplored heights.

I havent' done anything but provide reasons for why he sucks, and so has everyone else. He hasn't done anything but suck for us in the playoffs. How many more reasons do you need? You haven't provided any reasons for why he doesn't suck except that he was good in other cities. As if I should care.

Oh and watch your language kid, or I'll report you and get you suspended from this forum. You'll have to start your own site where all you can talk about is how great Hossa is.

[T.Low 1,011]

Somehow, I would sign him to a short term, smaller contract. Hossa will either wither away like a wilted flower or come back next year like a rabid Pit Bull.

Frankly, he hasn't been the same since going into the boards head first. When this happened to a guy at our rink, he ended up in a wheel chair to this day.

http://ballhype.com/video/hossa_gets_hit_a...d_first_in_the/

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So he had a good first couple of playoffs and was able to produce next to one of the greatest talents in the world. Well why is it that he's a superstar on teams that have so little playoff success?

Wrong again. Those were his four most recent post-season runs, with the exception of Atlanta, when he had a shoulder injury that required off-season surgery. Atlanta was and will continue to be a lousy team. The fact that Hossa scored 100 points in a season for them is one of the few reasons why they made the playoffs to begin with.

He's been to the finals in consecutive seasons and made it to the conference finals once with Ottawa. I'd hardly call that "little playoff success."

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

He was the best player on the ice for games 4 and 5 of the Chicago series.

yeah and he scored a TON of goals to go along with it.

if you are a forward and being paid 7.45million, you gotta score. Hossa played in a way that is singularly unacceptable.

If he comes back for Chelios type money, sign him. Otherwise, don't destroy the cap for a now KNOWN playoff choker.

[OsGOD 3]

He should try to sign with Chicago or Washington... those are two contenders he has yet to tap

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I havent' done anything but provide reasons for why he sucks, and so has everyone else. He hasn't done anything but suck for us in the playoffs. How many more reasons do you need? You haven't provided any reasons for why he doesn't suck except that he was good in other cities. As if I should care.

Oh and watch your language kid, or I'll report you and get you suspended from this forum. You'll have to start your own site where all you can talk about is how great Hossa is.

You haven't provided a single thing. You said "he sucks" and "he's lazy." Those aren't reasons why he sucks. I've shown you that he's a good player with more objective statistics than you can even comprehend. Learn to make an argument. For your own sake, if nothing else.

Watch your stupidity, kid. You could be 60 and it wouldn't change the fact that you've got the intellect of a teenager in middle school.

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yeah and he scored a TON of goals to go along with it.

if you are a forward and being paid 7.45million, you gotta score. Hossa played in a way that is singularly unacceptable.

If he comes back for Chelios type money, sign him. Otherwise, don't destroy the cap for a now KNOWN playoff choker.

I'm done with the idiocy than infects these boards. If you had even an ounce of hockey knowledge, you'd realize that a player's contributions go beyond tallying points.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

You haven't provided a single thing. You said "he sucks" and "he's lazy." Those aren't reasons why he sucks. I've shown you that he's a good player with more objective statistics than you can even comprehend. Learn to make an argument. For your own sake, if nothing else.

Watch your stupidity, kid. You could be 60 and it wouldn't change the fact that you've got the intellect of a teenager in middle school.

3 games where he scored a goal in the playoffs and 20 where he didn't. That's the most tell-tale sign of all. He has talent, but played with no heart and desire or else that talent would have amounted to more.

The only thing that makes me stupid is the fact that I've responded so much to some nobody's posts. I feel ashamed of myself for even answering you.

[ben_usmc 253]

now that I've calmed down, I would like to say Hossa would be great for 4million. He just couldn't do it this season, but has shown some good skill. I guess at this point since it's over I just kind of feel bad for him, he was in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. He should be paid around flip/franzen cash, he isn't on the level of datsyuk/z, but he still has talent.

[Carman 387]

I can see where both sides are coming from. I really think Hossa has a pretty bad injury, he just didn't have that top gear. He defintely is not worth what we paid for him this year. But there are not a lot of suitable replacements for a winger. The only way the Wing's can go wrong is if they overpay for him. Otherwise I trust that Holland can get a decent player that can fill Holmstrom's role, I don't think he can take this punishment much longer.