If You Think Hudler's NOT worth $3 Million...

[LeftWinger 5,130]

Jiri Hudler - 255GP 52G 75A 127Pts 33+/- 90PIM's

Val Filppula - 235GP 41G 53A 94Pts 34+/- 92PIM's

They only way Hudler stays is if he takes a huge discount over what he is worth. His agent will definately bring up Filppula's contract as his worth. If he want's $3 million, let him test the market. He is definately worth $3 million, but not here, I'll take the 1st & 3rd picks in exchange...

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

I'm not sure either of them is worth it.

At least Flip showed up in the playoffs, though. Hudler worked his way down on the 4th line as the playoffs went on.

[jeromejenkins 0]

Hudler could never take on the role of second line center.. or third line center for that matter. Hudler also does terrible against other first and second liners, hes successful because he plays against the other teams third lines and the PP.

$3 million on this team is lke $5 million on the open market. Zetterberg is worth 7, playing for 5.5, Datsyuk is worth 7-8, playing for 6.9, Franzen is worth 5, etc.

I hope a team offers Hudler $3 million though, a first rounder would be a nice return for a undersized, power play specialist, especially if its a bottom ten team.

[eva unit zero 271]

Hudler could never take on the role of second line center.. or third line center for that matter. Hudler also does terrible against other first and second liners, hes successful because he plays against the other teams third lines and the PP.

$3 million on this team is lke $5 million on the open market. Zetterberg is worth 7, playing for 5.5, Datsyuk is worth 7-8, playing for 6.9, Franzen is worth 5, etc.

I hope a team offers Hudler $3 million though, a first rounder would be a nice return for a undersized, power play specialist, especially if its a bottom ten team.

Hudler will be sticking around and likely for less than $2m. No team will offer Hudler enough to get it into the 1st/3rd range of compensation, and there's a good chance Holland will sign Hudler for less than $2m because Huds knows what he's got if he sticks around as opposed to if he leaves.

[LeftWinger 5,130]

I'm not sure either of them is worth it.

At least Flip showed up in the playoffs, though. Hudler worked his way down on the 4th line as the playoffs went on.

agreed, but the market dictates and his agent doesn't have to look far to use a contact and stats to compare to. And near the end of the season, Filppula was gettting more icetime than Hudler so he could even use that to say, his client gets more points with less ice...

...I say no thanks to another contract like Filppula's. Flip is already signed and if Hossa returns, he has shown that they can flow pretty good together. Let Hudler go, or sign and trade him at the draft (include out 1st and 2nd AND Kronwall) to get the #2 pick and get Hedman... (if Tampa would do it...)

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Yeah I think Hudler's not worth $3 million per year and that's mostly because I think this season's playoffs shows the Wings that they need some more physical type players and NOT the smallish players like Hudler.

He is who he is, he's a playmaker who needs to be on the top 2 lines but that isn't going to happen in Detroit.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Let Hudler go unless you can sign him for a mil or under.

Filppula >>>>> Hudler

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

And near the end of the season, Filppula was gettting more icetime than Hudler so he could even use that to say, his client gets more points with less ice...

But, as Kenny knows, much of the difference comes from PK time versus PP time.

[AtomicPunk 296]

Then again, I don't think Flip is worth 3 mill a year either.

[Peleshob 0]

The points are a bit skewed... Hudler's had lots of PP time, whereas Filppula has had virtually none. Also, Flip is waaaaay better defensively and showed an offensive flare in the post-season.

[thedisappearer 291]

He is, he's a playmaker who needs to be on the top 2 lines but that isn't going to happen in Detroit.

Are you saying Huds needs to be on a top line to produce? If so, FAIL. As many people here have said, he's a third line guy.

At least with us.

[LeftWinger 5,130]

Then again, I don't think Flip is worth 3 mill a year either.

doesn't matter, he makes it, and the market dictates that Hudler, having similar numbers, that he is worth that as well, AT LEAST, on the market. Unless Hudler tells Holland he'll stay for his current salary or less, the $3 million Filppula makes will be a starting point for his agent.

[KrazyGangsta 79]

Filppula: 63 games, 11 goals, 21 assists, 32 points, 13 +

Hudler: 51 games, 9 goals, 19 assists, 28 points 5 +

Playoff stats.

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Still have to say that Filppula is a better player then Hudler.

[Theophany 110]

Still have to say that Filppula is a better player then Hudler.

Easily.

Hudler could in no way even think about marking Malkin; Filppula did a pretty good job on Malkin in games 1 and 2. Last change made it harder on him in games 3 and 4.

One is a two-way forward who is quickly developing into a future leader on the team, the other can't stick with the bigger players in the league when they start pressuring him with physical play and needs open ice to get anything done, and can't play defense to save his own life (worst at defense on the Wings is decent on other teams, but it's still worst at defense on the Wings).

While yes, you can look at point production to determine net worth of a player, it's not quite as simple as that if you're not stupid.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Still have to say that Filppula is a better player then Hudler.

Agreed. Not sure why Val gets ripped so much after a very solid and consistent PO performance. Wings surely cannot afford to burn 3 mill on a third line guy like Hudler, who is small and questionable defensively. Flip is top two line player now....he's bigger and has more potential.

[Kronthewall55 14]

Filpula is better than hudler overall, but to think hudler isn't worth more than million like some have mentioned is ludacris. hudler is worth easily 2 million. even 2.5. he isn't going anywhere because he won't be getting a fat contract around the league from anyone and he is a important part of this team for the amount of money he will end up making. The real problem i feel is that we just have to many playmakers like flip and huds and no snipers.

[Zetts 236]

I don't know if he's worth 3 million, but I hope someone throws it at him. I'd love a first and a third, there's no way the wings would match that.

As far as Filppula, when he got the contract it was really more of a projection for what he'd be. Who's to say if Holland thinks it's a good or bad deal now. And that is something that Holland could always mention in negotiations if Hudler's agent did bring up Filppula's deal.

[LeftWinger 5,130]

Meh, let if we cannot sign and trae Hudler, let him go...

...anyway, instead of offering Hudler $1 million to stay, any interest in coaxing Jagr back from the KHL? He did have 51 points in 55 games and 9 points in 9 playoff games. That'd be almost 77 points here in 82 games...

Edited June 23, 2009 by LeftWinger

[jollymania 162]

filpula is projected to be a better player overall, and he is already a more comple player despite lower offensive stats that can be fixed

Edited June 23, 2009 by jollymania

[58Miles2Joe 12]

Babs doesn't like Huds, therefore Kenny will lowball him. It'll depend on whether a team wants to give up the picks.

[Theophany 110]

Meh, let if we cannot sign and trae Hudler, let him go...

...anyway, instead of offering Hudler $1 million to stay, any interest in coaxing Jagr back from the KHL? He did have 51 points in 55 games and 9 points in 9 playoff games. That'd be almost 77 points here in 82 games...

Not really. He's 37, and probably only has a few years left in him.

If I were Mr Holland, I wouldn't look at temporary signings; I'd look towards the future and build on the core we already have.

If we get rid of Hudler and Sammy and can't get Hossa back, we'll see another forward come into the picture outside of Leino and Helm, both of whom should play this year.

[Stu in Israel 0]

Babs doesn't like Huds, therefore Kenny will lowball him. It'll depend on whether a team wants to give up the picks.

Sorry, you're wrong about Babcock's opinion of Hudler. At first Babcock didn't like Hudler, but this season he was rather complimentary concerning Hudler. I think Hudler's bargaining tactic should be the following: Take a low, but short offer, and then when Lidstrom's contract ends or when he retires, and more money is available, bargain for a longer and more lucrative contract; providing he has shown his worth during that time.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I'm not sure either of them is worth it.

At least Flip showed up in the playoffs, though. Hudler worked his way down on the 4th line as the playoffs went on.

This year. (although your comment about 4th line is true in terms of where his minutes were spent, Hudler was still among the top 6 forwards in playoff scoring this year)

Last year Filppula disappeared in the playoffs and Hudler shined.

As far as the OP goes, yeah Hudler is definitely worth $3 million.

08-09 Season:

Hudler- 23G, 57pts, 5th in forward scoring

Filppula- 12G, 40pts, 8th in forward scoring

07-08 Season:

Hudler- 13, 42pts, 4th in forward scoring

Filppula- 19, 36pts, 8th in forward scoring

If Filppula's worth 3 million long term then so is Hudler. One is an all around forward, one is a scoring forward and PP specialist. Cool. They're the same age and both are trending upwards. We need them both 10 years from now when Z and Dats have faded.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Babs doesn't like Huds, therefore Kenny will lowball him. It'll depend on whether a team wants to give up the picks.

Interesting theory on the chain of command

Hudler's presence on this team is dependent on Hossa's.