Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 So it looks like Hossa is on his way and by the looks of it Kopecky is off as well. Kenny has offered Samuelsson a contract, but my take is that he'll get an better offer elsewhere. Add to that the fact that Hudler will get an offersheet that Kenny won't be able to match and the Wings could end up losing a 1/3 of their forward line roster before mid summer. Are we deep enough to cope with this potential loss? The defence is set and in all likeliness at least one of these guys could get traded. So we could see one of the biggest roster changes Detroit has had for a long while. We have 9 forwards signed which include a potential 4th line of Maltby Helm and Draper so we could need a whole new 3rd line. At present , for eg: Zetterberg Datsyuk Holmstrom, Franzen Filppula Cleary could be the top 2 lines. So who can come in? Leino looks set to be on the team, but do we bring up guys or open up the spots at trg camp for invitees? This could be a very interesting few days, or has Kenny got a cunning plan up his sleeve? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I don't think Samuellson's been offered anything yet. They're waiting to sort out this Hossa madness. It's certainly a possibility that they all could leave. Say goodbye to over 80 goals scored...but no big deal, just 80 goals. All these guys suck, right? Isn't that what half the people on LGW say? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Hudler is gonna get an offer sheet Holland can't match? How much do you think someone is gonna sign him for? I don't see it being more than 3mil and even that is pushing it because then the team signing him would have to give up a 1st and 3rd rounder. I don't see a team willing to give that up for him. If it was less than 2.6mil thats only a 2nd round pick they give up but at that price I think Holland finds a way to make that work. Now if Hudler comes back the Wings have 11 forwards including Leino and Helm but not including Abby. So 2 roster spots open not including Abdelkader. Make Downey one of them if you can sign him as the 13th forward and see if you can find a cheap UFA to play a 3rd/4th line role. If not you go for some veteran tryouts like you said and see if one them takes the job or maybe Abdelkader is up earlier than they planned. Even without Hudler I think they'll be ok. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Who cares - we are still great team... Holland is genius - he will find someone (ala Cleary)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I don't think Samuellson's been offered anything yet. They're waiting to sort out this Hossa madness. It's certainly a possibility that they all could leave. Say goodbye to over 80 goals scored...but no big deal, just 80 goals. All these guys suck, right? Isn't that what half the people on LGW say? so the people they will be bringing in won't score a single goal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luvmnger 125 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 i havent looked yet..who's on the UFA list? anyone good in the 1-2 mil. or 3-4 that would kick back $$$ for a detroit run? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 so the people they will be bringing in won't score a single goal? That's not what I said or inferred. But even so, as I said when making the same point elsewhere, we're not going to be able to come even close to matching the offense we're potentially set to lose with kids or any random FA's we maybe (big maybe...) pick up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Sammy, Hudler and Kops' offers are going to be way overpaid because other teams are going to be gunning for nice elements from the best team (and most winning team) in the entire NHL. Their 'experience' will be more valuable to other teams than it will be to the Wings. So I think they go and Holland will get the right key players that's hungry for a cup and who will sign for less to play on the best team in the NHL... and to win the cup. Sammy 'might' resign, but I do think Holland has a savvy plan up his sleeve. Also, I would like to note that Flips increase in playing time will certainly help put more points on the board. Edited June 28, 2009 by Snazzy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 On the bright side, we'll have less guys go to the Olympics next year, hence more rested players for the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I don't think Samuellson's been offered anything yet. They're waiting to sort out this Hossa madness. It's certainly a possibility that they all could leave. Say goodbye to over 80 goals scored...but no big deal, just 80 goals. All these guys suck, right? Isn't that what half the people on LGW say? That and they're lazy, yes. This whole FA situation would be a lot more worrisome if the Wings didn't have players in the minors waiting to take the place of the guys they'll be replacing. I'd take a flier on Helm > Samuelsson and Abdelkader > Kopecky. I'm more worried about an Osgood groin injury being the only thing stopping the Wings from using Jimmy Howard as a starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I'm more worried about an Osgood groin injury being the only thing stopping the Wings from using Jimmy Howard as a starter. I would imagine that if Howard doesn't do much to impress this upcoming season, that Holland would try and land an insurance veteran goalie at the trade deadline just incase an Ozzie injury does happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 28, 2009 That and they're lazy, yes. This whole FA situation would be a lot more worrisome if the Wings didn't have players in the minors waiting to take the place of the guys they'll be replacing. I'd take a flier on Helm > Samuelsson and Abdelkader > Kopecky. I'm more worried about an Osgood groin injury being the only thing stopping the Wings from using Jimmy Howard as a starter. I'm all for Helm and Abdelkader anchoring the 3rd line. I'd like to see Travis Moen (27) and Blair Betts (29) signed for the 4th line. Maltby can be the 13th forward. Chad Larose is only 27 but he will likely stay in Carolina. He'd be a solid player for the 4th line as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 No worries yet out of me, still should be a good team without Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I honestly don't see all of the Wings Free Agents going but it could happen. If it does that could mean we could go after someone a little bit bigger. Maybe not someone huge but someone who can fill a role or two. I'm going to wait and see what happens with Hossa but I don't think we are going to lose everyone that is a FA this season. Holland may not be able to sign everyone and we all know that but he will be able to sign someone. Maybe if we lose a few more players than planned we can have a better chance at looking at some young kids. Who else can come up from GR or wherever besides, Helm, Ericsson, Leino, Abdelkader and Howard. I haven't payed as much attention to our young guys but if someone else can come up maybe that will be a good thing. Just spitballing nothing solid for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 If Hossa would'n't have taken a pay cut (technically) to play here, we wouldn't have had his 40 last season, so the 80 goal argument is crap. We cannot afford Hossa. Get over him. Unless he takes the $4 to $5 million cap hit, lets move on... If you re-sign Leino at a modest raise taking him to $950,000, then you bring up Helm, Howard & Ericsson permanently, without adding Abdelkader you have approx. $2.3million to play with. Here is the roster so far: (line combos are not set, just listing names) Dats - Zett - Holm Clear - Flip - Franzen Leino - Helm - ???? Maltby - Draper - ???? ???? Lids - Rafi Stu - Kron Erics - Lilja (assuming he can play) Lebda Meech ...if Lilja can play then Meech can act as your 13th forward, that still leaves $2.3m to play with, Hudler will probably get $2m somewhere, that will only leave you $300,000 for a UFA and never be able to bring up Abby. (barring a LTIR) Unless you can get two UFA's for $2.3m you have to bring Abby up, that knocks your cap room available to $1.5m. If you could get new blood for that or re-sign Sammy, doesn't matter, point is Hudler, unless he takes $1m to $1.5m, is gone... 1st two lines unchanged Leino - Helm - Abby Maltby - Draper - Sammy (or UFA) Meech Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 If Detroit can't get something done with Hudler, they need to trade him ASAP. The Wings cant afford to give him 3M, and someone else definitely can. And apparently all a 3M offer-sheet warrants these days is a 2nd round pick - much less than Hudler is worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 If Detroit can't get something done with Hudler, they need to trade him ASAP. The Wings cant afford to give him 3M, and someone else definitely can. And apparently all a 3M offer-sheet warrants these days is a 2nd round pick - much less than Hudler is worth. Isn't that something? Offer Sheet (AAV) $994,433 or below None (compensation) $994,433 -to- $1,506,717 3rd Round Pick $1,506,718 -to- $3,013,433 2nd Round Pick $3,013,434 -to- $4,520,150 1st, 3rd $4,520,151 -to- $6,026,867 1st, 2nd, 3rd $6,026,868 -to- $7,533,584 (2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd Over $7,533,585 - and up (4) 1st Round Picks ...I would still take the 2nd round pick over signing him at $1.5. If you try to trade him, you prolly won't get more than a 3rd round offer. Just let him test the market and get what you can in return. Holland can make the best of a 2nd rounder, just look at the two he got this year. Especially if he gets a high second rounder again! I agree though, nobody is going to offer enough to him to give up a 1st and 3rd. May as well make plans on having two (or three if Hossa gets a 2nd in return) 2nd round picks next year. I, for one, think Holland would be dangerous with three 2nd round picks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslionstigers 12 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Even if sammy and hudler weren't to be picked up by another team they need to go. They are great regular season players but we need to start thinking about high energy gritty dangerous playoff caliber players to fill in our holes. I think now that the salary cap has caught up with us and we can't realistically role 3 talented lines we need to put together 2 dangerous energy/gritty lines to make these team a real threat come playoff time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Isn't that something? Offer Sheet (AAV) $994,433 or below None (compensation) $994,433 -to- $1,506,717 3rd Round Pick $1,506,718 -to- $3,013,433 2nd Round Pick $3,013,434 -to- $4,520,150 1st, 3rd $4,520,151 -to- $6,026,867 1st, 2nd, 3rd $6,026,868 -to- $7,533,584 (2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd Over $7,533,585 - and up (4) 1st Round Picks ...I would still take the 2nd round pick over signing him at $1.5. If you try to trade him, you prolly won't get more than a 3rd round offer. Just let him test the market and get what you can in return. Holland can make the best of a 2nd rounder, just look at the two he got this year. Especially if he gets a high second rounder again! I agree though, nobody is going to offer enough to him to give up a 1st and 3rd. May as well make plans on having two (or three if Hossa gets a 2nd in return) 2nd round picks next year. I, for one, think Holland would be dangerous with three 2nd round picks! Thats a ridiculous assumption. Alex Bourret got a 3rd rounder. Jamal Mayers got a 3rd rounder. Jim Vandermeer got a 3rd rounder. Chad Kilger got a 3rd rounder. George Laraques got a 3rd rounder. Ryan Shannon got a 3rd rounder. If you trade Hudler, you're likely to get a 2nd rounder + a B-level prospect. We get it - you have a personal dislike for Hudler. But guess what? GMs don't let personal preference cloud their vision of a talented player. 25 year old 57 point players are worth worlds more than a 3rd round pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Thats a ridiculous assumption. Alex Bourret got a 3rd rounder. Jamal Mayers got a 3rd rounder. Jim Vandermeer got a 3rd rounder. Chad Kilger got a 3rd rounder. George Laraques got a 3rd rounder. Ryan Shannon got a 3rd rounder. If you trade Hudler, you're likely to get a 2nd rounder + a B-level prospect. We get it - you have a personal dislike for Hudler. But guess what? GMs don't let personal preference cloud their vision of a talented player. 25 year old 57 point players are worth worlds more than a 3rd round pick. no, if im not mistaken gill got a 2nd rounder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 I honestly don't see all of the Wings Free Agents going but it could happen. If it does that could mean we could go after someone a little bit bigger. Maybe not someone huge but someone who can fill a role or two. I'm going to wait and see what happens with Hossa but I don't think we are going to lose everyone that is a FA this season. We will have the ability to sign someone with this potential exodus, but this UFA crop is one of the weakest in years. They're practically all minor role players who can't replace players like Hossa, Hudler and Sammy's numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Thats a ridiculous assumption. Alex Bourret got a 3rd rounder. Jamal Mayers got a 3rd rounder. Jim Vandermeer got a 3rd rounder. Chad Kilger got a 3rd rounder. George Laraques got a 3rd rounder. Ryan Shannon got a 3rd rounder. If you trade Hudler, you're likely to get a 2nd rounder + a B-level prospect. We get it - you have a personal dislike for Hudler. But guess what? GMs don't let personal preference cloud their vision of a talented player. 25 year old 57 point players are worth worlds more than a 3rd round pick. sure, but what GM's DO DO is to know when another team is handcuffed and HAS to move the player because of certain situations. If $3 million gets you a seond rounder then why on earth would a team offer that same 2nd rounder when they could just wait and give up the 2nd rounder anyway? Anyhow,I know what you are saying, but it's called lowballing, same reason the Blue Jackets asked for so much for Fedorov,then took pennies on the Holland dollar from Washington. Whatever, bottom line is he is not going to be here if he wants a significant raise, the Wings just simply cannot afford it. Neither is Kopy or Sammy.... Bring on the kids I guess! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 sure, but what GM's DO DO is to know when another team is handcuffed and HAS to move the player because of certain situations. If $3 million gets you a seond rounder then why on earth would a team offer that same 2nd rounder when they could just wait and give up the 2nd rounder anyway? Anyhow,I know what you are saying, but it's called lowballing, same reason the Blue Jackets asked for so much for Fedorov,then took pennies on the Holland dollar from Washington. Whatever, bottom line is he is not going to be here if he wants a significant raise, the Wings just simply cannot afford it. Neither is Kopy or Sammy.... Bring on the kids I guess! Thats fine and all, except that the Wings aren't handcuffed. IF an offer-sheet does come his way, they elect arbitration, which allows them ample time to trade him, and hes protected from actually doing anything about the offer-sheets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted July 3, 2009 So just Rex left, (at the moment) I'm happy that it looks like Abby will get his chance. Still not 100% about Homer being on one of the top 2 lines thou. Id have Leino with Z and Pav, Flip Mule and Cleary on the 2nd Helm Huds and Abby on 3rd leaving Draps Malts and Homer on the 4th as well as Homer on the 1st PP unit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2009 I read somewhere that Hudler is seeking arbitration, so it's almost a sure thing he will be back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
