LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that whole part where the Wings can't trade anyone off their roster, ever. What a shocking idea. Surely Ken Holland would never think of it. So just who do you suggest he trades in order to keep Hudler? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Lebda. Meech is the 7th forward/13th forward, and we're cap compliant with Leino at 875k and Hudler at 2.5M (on a supposed matched offersheet). As it stands right now, the Wings have 9 forwards signed. Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula $3,000,000 Daniel Cleary $2,800,000 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Darren Helm $599,444 Hudler, Leino and Meech bring you to 12. You're one forward short. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Who ever said we're going to lose all three of them? Nobody has confirmed that Samuelsson or Hudler are going anywhere, so for the time being, assuming the reports regarding Hossa are true, we've lost ONE finesse player. With that said, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Rafalski, Filppula, Leino, Franzen, Lebda, and Meech are all primarily finesse players. Yes, a few of these players, particularly Datsyuk and Zetterberg have a grinding aspect to their game, but they are offensive-minded players first and foremost. As for the rest of the team, with the exceptions of Cleary and Helm, none of them can be considered very effective "grinders," so yes, in comparison to the limited number of true grinders we have here, we are full of finesse-first players. We'll see, but I'm really not so sure Sammy will be around. It's anyone's guess what he'll get offered from other teams, but I have little doubt that it'll be a lot more than the Wings will be looking to offer considering they want to throw $4 million at Hossa. I feel the same about Hudler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Reading is such a tough skill. So is actually admitting that Hossa sucked in the Finals, apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Boy you really hate tough guys on the ice don't you? Just because your boy Hossa won't be coming back doesn't mean you have to hate on the enforcers for it. And yeah, the Wings did have a tougher team in 2008 with Downey, Drake and McCarty on the roster most of the season. I'll take 4th line players who play hard any day, over some star player who plays hard when he feels like it. Yeah, I'd also rather take some enforcer who will probably have less than 10 points over a season than a player who will score 40 goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 As it stands right now, the Wings have 9 forwards signed. Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula $3,000,000 Daniel Cleary $2,800,000 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Darren Helm $599,444 Hudler, Leino and Meech bring you to 12. You're one forward short. Thats where Lebdas 650k comes in and we sign a 4th liner to minimum wage a la Dallas Drake. I thought that would've been obvious, but apparently not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 As it stands right now, the Wings have 9 forwards signed. Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula $3,000,000 Daniel Cleary $2,800,000 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Darren Helm $599,444 Hudler, Leino and Meech bring you to 12. You're one forward short. ...and that's where Colton Orr comes in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Dallas Drake didn't hurt the cause. Dallas Drake was a hockey player, not an unskilled thug. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 So just who do you suggest he trades in order to keep Hudler? Lebda. And this is if Hudler makes 2.5M. But you're jumping into the middle of the debate here, and thats if Hudler is offered 2.5M on an offer-sheet, that the Wings wouldn't match to bring. I'm not opposed to trading Hudler, just not at the retarded asking price of a 2nd pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Yeah, I'd also rather take some enforcer who will probably have less than 10 points over a season than a player who will score 40 goals. Are there a lot of 40 goal 4th liners out there ready to sign for less than $1MM? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Alright we need to have a poll and settle this once and for all. Who's sad that Hossa left versus who is indifferent, maybe a little happy that he left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Leino is a tad bit soft imo. He has a pretty good nose for the net. It's just that he dives just as much as any diver. I don't know if I'd call Playoffs Filppula soft though. My evaluation of Leino's non softness was based on his willingness to go to the rough areas (and pay the price), play along the boards and take hits without coughing up the puck. He's still go the European finesse for diving sometimes I guess, but nearly everyone does selectively now. It's true that Filppula wasn't very soft in the playoffs this year, but he has a tendency to get shut down by enough hitting at times (not so much this post season). He's definitely getting better for that, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 So is actually admitting that Hossa sucked in the Finals, apparently. You're right, he was absolutely the worst player on the ice for the wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Ok. Who are you going to trade? I would Trade Filppoopla I get that everyone says "He's the future" uhh Future What???? Hossa is proven.... If I could trade Flip to keep Hossa I would..cause with Howard as a back up you need to be able to put more pucks in the net than Howard will let in..... with the way we drafted this year...and the players we have waiting to play losing Flip and his 40 pts for 3 Mill hit would not hurt us any. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hossa4Life 4 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 So is actually admitting that Hossa sucked in the Finals, apparently. Hossa Just got in a bad slump at the worst possible time it happens to all players. Your acting like he gave no effort and was just free loading off the team. I can assure you he wanted to score as well as win the cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Assume that Hudler and Leino are re-signed. I'll bring Abs up for this list, even though he won't be here in October Datsyuk -Finesse, not soft Zetterberg -Finesse, not soft Holmstrom -Grinder Filppula -Finesse Franzen -Grinder/Finesse... possesses grinder traits, he's just a bit of a ***** Cleary -Grinder Hudler -Finesse Leino -Finesse, not soft Helm -Grinder Draper -Grinder Maltby -Grinder Abdelkader -Grinder Lidstrom- Finesse, not soft, doesn't really hit at all, in a league of his own (not with Rosie O'Donnel) Rafalski- Finesse Kronwall- Grider/Finesse Stuart- Grinder Ericsson- Grinder/Finesse Lilja- Grinder So... Forwards: 7 of 12 are 'grinders', only 2 softies Defense: 4 of 6 are 'grinders', only 1 softy (you have to be able to hit Lidstrom to call him soft ) I was fairly liberal with my labels, and assumed that Abs will be here (which he won't, at least not at the begining). But you get my point. This team isn't as 'soft' as people say. They just don't have fighters. There's a huge difference between those two things. Problem is, if you match a $2.5 million offer for Hudler, you aren't getting Leino OR Abby up here. And yo uare short 2 forwards. Can't play with 10 forwards, face it, if Huds wants a raise, we'll see him somewhere else... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Yeah, I'd also rather take some enforcer who will probably have less than 10 points over a season than a player who will score 40 goals. It saves money. We have enough scoring already, even without Hossa. What we need is more physicality and someone to set the tempo on the 4th line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Thats where Lebdas 650k comes in and we sign a 4th liner to minimum wage a la Dallas Drake. I thought that would've been obvious, but apparently not. Is there really a need for you to act like a jackass when someone disagrees with you? Lebda is an important piece to this Wings team considering the injury to Lilja. If Lilja is unable to play, I don't want Meech on the blue line, I want Lebda. Lebda's low salary makes him extremely valuable to the Wings and it would be a mistake to trade him for...what are you trading him for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Are there a lot of 40 goal 4th liners out there ready to sign for less than $1MM? Is there anyone out there who can do anything at all other than take stupid penalties for less than $1mm? If Mac and Downey are out of the picture, perhaps you can shed some light on what great talent we might obtain at such a bargain price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Hossa Just got in a bad slump at the worst possible time it happens to all players. Your acting like he gave no effort and was just free loading off the team. I can assure you he wanted to score as well as win the cup. I'm not acting like anything other than happy that we aren't blowing up our team to retain a guy that "slumped" for 20 out of 23 games when he signed with this team for the sole purpose of winning a cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Hossa Just got in a bad slump at the worst possible time it happens to all players. Your acting like he gave no effort and was just free loading off the team. I can assure you he wanted to score as well as win the cup. In the ten playoffs he's participated in he's had 2 maybe 3 good individual performances. Therefore, a majority of the time, he's not reliable during the playoffs, which is THE most important time for the Red Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 It saves money. We have enough scoring already, even without Hossa. What we need is more physicality and someone to set the tempo on the 4th line. We do? What would this last season have looked like without Hossa's 40 goals? Then imagine we strip Sammy's goals away too. Maybe even Huds. Do we have enough scoring when we drop 80-90 goals potentially from 3 guys? Maybe if our defense plays better than last year... If not................. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 It saves money. We have enough scoring already, even without Hossa. What we need is more physicality and someone to set the tempo on the 4th line. Dude go back to the "I Hate Hossa" threads.... we know , we know, you dont like him.....geez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Lebda. Meech is the 7th forward/13th forward, and we're cap compliant with Leino at 875k and Hudler at 2.5M (on a supposed matched offersheet). Dude, you still only have 11 forwards.... Leino re-signs at his same salary? Dude, I don't know what your man-love is for Hudler, but let it go... plus you cannot evn bring up Abby, because you only have $600,000 left... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Is there anyone out there who can do anything at all other than take stupid penalties for less than $1mm? If Mac and Downey are out of the picture, perhaps you can shed some light on what great talent we might obtain at such a bargain price. Tell us how you really feel about North American players, especially enforcers? First you alluded to them as talentless thughs, now they take stupid penalties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
