KHL will honor NHL's decision on Hudler

[Peleshob 0]

So yes they can trade.....BUT--Huds has showed he doesn't want to play for another team...so do you think that Holland would trade him? In the beggining he seemed as though money was set aside for him--maybe it wasn't the money that Hudler was turning down, but only a 5 year contract.....it is another thing to think about before everyone get's all "Hudler's greedy ass"..... I sooooo want him to stay...but honestly, more ice time for that amount of money.....that's not a bad decision on his part---more ice time = better skating skills and speed.....it's not like he'll get worse over there......if he can't play with the Wings this year...it leaves them w/ a little money and if everyone is so GAGA over freakin' Leino....then what's the deal w/ being all pissy towards Huds.....he only wants to play for Detroit and people call him and ass.....but other players ONLY want money or ONLY want to play for teams that can win the cup...and yet...their winning the poll on "who you'll miss the most"....so that's just craziness from some of you.

Well that's all fine and good IF he only wanted to play for Detroit. In the NHL Hudler only wants to play for Detroit, but in the whole world it would seem that he wants to play for Dynamo for 5 Million. At this point I think it would be awkward for Huds to stay in Detroit. I can see where he'd get a little pissy because Babcock has mismanaged his ice time, IMO... but I also think that he should known will all of these guys moving to other places that he was going to get more ice time. He should have just snubbed the KHL and gone on with the arbitration as planned.

Now... I personally hope for a sign-and-trade. It's not that I've got much against Hudler, but who wants a guy who doesn't wanna play for your team? I really don't, and I hope they get some kind of compensation for him.

[titanium2 867]

Which side is this post on?

Just copied it from the article and highlighted the part some needed clarification on. The Wings don't have to be stuck with him if they don't want to be.

[HenryMalredo 2]

This is rediculous, instead of Kenny being able to make moves, and actually offer free agents contracts, or make trades, he has to wait on this idiot. He doesnt want to be here, he wanted money and a chance to make a name for himself in Russia, let him go. This is going to make us a worse team in the end, by the time July 31st roles around, there will be no free agents left that can help us. Thanks Jiri.

Don't blame Hudler. If it weren't for the NHl's meddling, the Wings would have been able to move on by now.

[russianswede919293 95]

I would hope that if the award is not something Detroit is willing to accept they would let him go to Russia.

Its not the Wings way to pull a sign and trade on him. I think that it sends the wrong message and is against the way this team has been run.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

This is rediculous, instead of Kenny being able to make moves, and actually offer free agents contracts, or make trades, he has to wait on this idiot. He doesnt want to be here, he wanted money and a chance to make a name for himself in Russia, let him go. This is going to make us a worse team in the end, by the time July 31st roles around, there will be no free agents left that can help us. Thanks Jiri.

Jiri Hudler is an idiot, and has a moron for an agent. Now there is virtually no way he will be going to the KHL....its either sign and play for the Wings or be traded in the NHL for picks/prospects/whatever. The only way I see him going to Dynamo is if he and Kenny work out some kind of agreement for a future contract? This would likely be verbal-only and seems completely unlikely.

Also people complaining about this stopping us from making moves on UFAs....we don't have to worry about it in this situation. He will likely be traded (seriously, who wants him around after this?), and then we get assets that are not on the FA market anyhow.

Like I asked before, who is in a position to take Hudler (and has something worthwhile to give)?

Eugh, Im bored of this saga. And I blame Hudler and his stupid agent who it seems has now gone into hiding out of the shame of being a complete and utter asshat.

Nobody is being an idiot or asshat in this situation. The agent has to do what the player tells him to do. Hudler is confused (I'm assuming). While nobody should blame him for wanting to get more playing time and money tax-free, the NHL is still the best of the best. I still think a part of him wouldn't mind playing in the NHL or the Wings again. With some of the previous Wings departed, probably could have more playing time here. The situation is what it is and I'm not surprised it is a bit delayed.

If Detroit is able to re-sign Hudler, it is win-win. He's proved his worth so far and is more than capable of contributing for the Wings, or can be traded for future picks or hopefully a lower-tiered current NHLer or two.

[e_prime 1,936]

Someone should put a tent over this circus.

^THIS

:rotflmao:

[PRStoetzer 1]

Well that's all fine and good IF he only wanted to play for Detroit. In the NHL Hudler only wants to play for Detroit, but in the whole world it would seem that he wants to play for Dynamo for 5 Million. At this point I think it would be awkward for Huds to stay in Detroit. I can see where he'd get a little pissy because Babcock has mismanaged his ice time, IMO... but I also think that he should known will all of these guys moving to other places that he was going to get more ice time. He should have just snubbed the KHL and gone on with the arbitration as planned.

Now... I personally hope for a sign-and-trade. It's not that I've got much against Hudler, but who wants a guy who doesn't wanna play for your team? I really don't, and I hope they get some kind of compensation for him.

I still think the best option is for the Red Wings to re-sign him or accept the arbitration award and then allow him to play in the KHL. The Wings can do that. He would remain under contract to the Wings, but would get to make his money in Russia and then come back when he wants to.

[thedatsyukian 7]

I'm hoping his desire to have a more meaningful place on this team will help solidify his spot as one of our top 6.

[titanium2 867]

I'm hoping his desire to have a more meaningful place on this team will help solidify his spot as one of our top 6.

He's been a wing for 3-4 years and Filppula still gets more meaningful minutes. I don't see how that would change now even with an open spot on the top-6.

[mmamolo 287]

I think there are a few interesting points that need to be made:

1. Hudler was given a top 6 opportunity at the beginning of last season and struggled. He only really began producing when he was placed on the third line with Filppula and Samuelsson. Hudler had to prove his worth throughout the course of last season in order for Babcock to give him another go on the top six. Not to mention, now Marian Hossa is gone.

2. Filppula was deserving of a shot as the 2nd line centre (top 6 spot) but was also pushed back down the depth chart with the signing of Hossa and the spliting up of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Hudler's argument about ice time, which is somewhat valid, should be considered moot at this point since at this stage he would clearly have his opportunity to get top 6 minutes. The spot would be his to lose again.

In some ways, although the Wings hands are cuffed in terms of signing other UFAs, they gained some strength in the negotiations with Hudler. If it's true that Hudler doesn't want to play for any other team in the NHL Holland can say look, we want you here, this is the best offer we can make (5 yrs $15M), and if arbitration awards more we'll have no choice but to trade you. If he truly wants to stay he'd accept. If he doesn't mind leaving then Detroit can acquire some assets in return. Or at the end of the day, as others have posted, the wings can sign him to the arbitrators decision and then assign him to the KHL and retain his rights upon his return. Although I don't know how HUdler thinks going and playing in Russia is going to get him in the Wings top 6. The Wings are too deep up front and the time will never come where Hudler becomes our only remaining option as a top 6 forward. If he wants it that badly he has to stay here and compete for it.

[South Dakota wings fan 7]

Why would a team, any team give up something of any value for the right to pay Hudler $4 million, even though he'd rather be in Russia? That's rather nonsensical.

It's a nice idea in thought, but in reality, it'd be hard to find anyone to take him off your hands for THAT money, with THAT baggage attached to him.

I have a hard time believing any team will trade for Jiri when he stated publicly that Detroit was the only NHL team he wanted to play for. When that didn't look possible, he decided to go to the KHL instead. I think I read in there that if the wings accept his arbitration decision, whether they intend to trade him or not, the KHL will not allow the contract. So maybe someone would want him, but it would only be a one or two year deal, so any other NHL team may be very reluctant to trade for him.

[e_prime 1,936]

I think there are a few interesting points that need to be made:

All great points!!

1. Hudler was given a top 6 opportunity at the beginning of last season and struggled. He only really began producing when he was placed on the third line with Filppula and Samuelsson. Hudler had to prove his worth throughout the course of last season in order for Babcock to give him another go on the top six. Not to mention, now Marian Hossa is gone.

2. Filppula was deserving of a shot as the 2nd line centre (top 6 spot) but was also pushed back down the depth chart with the signing of Hossa and the spliting up of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Hudler's argument about ice time, which is somewhat valid, should be considered moot at this point since at this stage he would clearly have his opportunity to get top 6 minutes. The spot would be his to lose again.

In some ways, although the Wings hands are cuffed in terms of signing other UFAs, they gained some strength in the negotiations with Hudler. If it's true that Hudler doesn't want to play for any other team in the NHL Holland can say look, we want you here, this is the best offer we can make (5 yrs $15M), and if arbitration awards more we'll have no choice but to trade you. If he truly wants to stay he'd accept. If he doesn't mind leaving then Detroit can acquire some assets in return. Or at the end of the day, as others have posted, the wings can sign him to the arbitrators decision and then assign him to the KHL and retain his rights upon his return. Although I don't know how HUdler thinks going and playing in Russia is going to get him in the Wings top 6. The Wings are too deep up front and the time will never come where Hudler becomes our only remaining option as a top 6 forward. If he wants it that badly he has to stay here and compete for it.

It definitely seems that we have a negotiating tactic with him now. I guess I didn't realize we could accept the arbitration, but then assign him to the KHL.

However, for the future... Let's say we retain his rights and he plays in the KHL for a year... and he wants to come back to the NHL he would be a UFA no? We wouldn't have exclusive rights to negotiate with him? Is that correct?

EDIT: clarity

Edited July 17, 2009 by e_prime

[eva unit zero 271]

I think there are a few interesting points that need to be made:

1. Hudler was given a top 6 opportunity at the beginning of last season and struggled. He only really began producing when he was placed on the third line with Filppula and Samuelsson. Hudler had to prove his worth throughout the course of last season in order for Babcock to give him another go on the top six. Not to mention, now Marian Hossa is gone.

2. Filppula was deserving of a shot as the 2nd line centre (top 6 spot) but was also pushed back down the depth chart with the signing of Hossa and the spliting up of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Hudler was given a top six chance for one game. Perhaps Filppula was deserving of a top-six spot at the beginning of last season, but was he more deserving than Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen, Hudler, or Holmstrom were? No, he was not. But ultimately, Filppula ended up getting as much time per game as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Hossa. So to claim "Filppula didn't get a lot of ice time either" is ******* bulls***. Filppula got as much as anyone on the team. Hudler produced like a first liner and was treated like a third/fourth liner. Not to mention, anyone complaining about Hudler's defensive play is clearly assuming that Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the average defensive forward.

[HudlerFanatic 4]

I would hope that if the award is not something Detroit is willing to accept they would let him go to Russia.

Its not the Wings way to pull a sign and trade on him. I think that it sends the wrong message and is against the way this team has been run.

~Agreed

[StevieY9802 6]

I would hope that if the award is not something Detroit is willing to accept they would let him go to Russia.

Its not the Wings way to pull a sign and trade on him. I think that it sends the wrong message and is against the way this team has been run.

Couldn't the Wings accept the rulling and still let him walk technically? Then if comes back in 2 years he would have to play for what the arbitrator ruled?

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

I think there are a few interesting points that need to be made:

1. Hudler was given a top 6 opportunity at the beginning of last season and struggled. He only really began producing when he was placed on the third line with Filppula and Samuelsson. Hudler had to prove his worth throughout the course of last season in order for Babcock to give him another go on the top six. Not to mention, now Marian Hossa is gone.

2. Filppula was deserving of a shot as the 2nd line centre (top 6 spot) but was also pushed back down the depth chart with the signing of Hossa and the spliting up of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Hudler's argument about ice time, which is somewhat valid, should be considered moot at this point since at this stage he would clearly have his opportunity to get top 6 minutes. The spot would be his to lose again.

In some ways, although the Wings hands are cuffed in terms of signing other UFAs, they gained some strength in the negotiations with Hudler. If it's true that Hudler doesn't want to play for any other team in the NHL Holland can say look, we want you here, this is the best offer we can make (5 yrs $15M), and if arbitration awards more we'll have no choice but to trade you. If he truly wants to stay he'd accept. If he doesn't mind leaving then Detroit can acquire some assets in return. Or at the end of the day, as others have posted, the wings can sign him to the arbitrators decision and then assign him to the KHL and retain his rights upon his return. Although I don't know how HUdler thinks going and playing in Russia is going to get him in the Wings top 6. The Wings are too deep up front and the time will never come where Hudler becomes our only remaining option as a top 6 forward. If he wants it that badly he has to stay here and compete for it.

^^ Great points. I don't see how Hudler would ever be a top 6 forward on the Wings - on other teams, yes. Maybe other people see things that I don't. I personally think 3 mill is too expensive for a small forward, likely 3rd line. Consider Franzen makes around 4 mill average per year I don't see how Jiri is worth 3, but that's just my op. I agree let the arbitration go through it's motion then let him play in Russia for a year and see what happens, if he comes back or not.

[eva unit zero 271]

Consider Franzen makes around 4 mill average per year I don't see how Filppula is worth 3

Fixed.

[eva unit zero 271]

EVA's man-crush on Huddles is simply hilarious.

So suggesting that Hudler would be overpaid at $3m and so he should reject it and take less, but Filppula is not overpaid even though he was offered that much earlier than Hudler was and is basically the same level of player as Hudler overall, means I have a ridiculous man crush on Hudler all because Franzen makes just under $4m? Odd.

[Carman 387]

I don't see why people are comparing a center(Filppula) that was signed when we had money to spare, and a winger(Hudler) who we are trying to sign when we don't have a lot of money to spare. It's pretty simple, Filppula plays a important position for the Wing's(Center-PK), while Hudler plays a position that we can replace(2nd PP); albeit not as well. I don't hate Hudler, but in a salary cap world it sometimes isn't worth it to complete do back flips while on fire to sign a Winger. Face it if the Red Wing's thought Hudler was more valuable then Filppula we wouldn't be having this conversation. Obviously they think Hudler is a good player and want to keep him, but with the salary cap, tough decisions come once the players that come out of your system fully develop, there are bound to be loses.(Which is a major reason, I would love a salary decrease to resign a team's own draft picks, but that's another thread).

[Drake_Marcus 890]

No - you going on, and on with stats/data (I'm waiting for a pie-chart here from ya) on how Hudler deserves "X" amount of $$$ when compared to so-and-so to me is quite funny, and yes...I think you've got a man-crush on Jiri Hudler

Little known fact: in most cases the use of facts and numbers to back up an opinion stems from a hidden physical attraction to the object of discussion.

[titanium2 867]

stems from a hidden physical attraction to the object of discussion.

Maybe it's just little boys in general. Or in Huds' case, adults that resemble the youthfulness of little boys.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Maybe it's just little boys in general. Or in Huds' case, adults that resemble the youthfulness of little boys.

.... and the discussion takes a right turn into Creepy Town.

[titanium2 867]

.... and the discussion takes a right turn into Creepy Town.

It's been a while since someone on here made a reference to MJ.

[Majsheppard 203]

Why couldn't he just have signed a offer sheet with someone in the NHL!!!!!

That was what I wanted all along. I wanted draft picks for a player that is good, but never going to be as good with anyone else as he is here.

Where is Edmonton when you need them?!?!

If he comes back, I vote he be the new Sameulson.

He is lazy and he sucks.

[Majsheppard 203]

Edit: Double post sorry.

Edited July 18, 2009 by Majsheppard