The Bertuzzi & Moore incident

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Moore fought in that game.

And the statement you are referring to is not from a recent interview. And since his whole legal battle isn't over, why should he let it go?

My mistake then, I was looking over detnews today and came across an article invovling it. As far as the legal thing, it's just he's tying in players and coachs/management that have all moved past it, I see where he's coming from, but to me I'd just like to see the whole thing over with.

[esteef 2,679]

Moore fought in that game.

Yeah, Moore STARTED a fight against Matt Cooke. MATT COOKE for Christ's sakes!

Bottom line, he tried to take the cheap way out and paid for it dearly.

esteef

Edited September 26, 2009 by esteef

[Doc Holiday 0]

Yeah, Moore STARTED a fight against Matt Cooke. MATT COOKE for Christ's sakes!

Bottom line, he tried to take the cheap way out and paid for it dearly.

esteef

No one should have their career ended for a ******* elbow that injures a guy for a few games.

[RedWingsRox 614]

Interesting ... Burke offered Steve Moore a 2 way contract in Anaheim in 2005.

Burke offered Moore contract - The Province

Burke with a soft spot or Burke trying to appease Moore?

[Yzerfan1999 81]

The feeling's mutual cupcake.

esteef

So if Kronwall had been sucker punched and had his head driven to the ice by Dustin Byfuglien after his hit on Havlat (headshot, though in todays league, legal - also could have been interference), Kronwall would have been a ***** and he would have deserved it?

Kronwall is a great hitter, but even a Wings fan has to admit a good chunk of the hits are questionable - either leaves his feet, charges, or throws the occasional elbow. Yet - the guy never fights? Do you think Kronwall is a ***** and he is going to get what he deserves, namely a career ending injury?

No one deserves to have their career ended because they clipped a guy with an elbow and made him miss three precious games.

Give your head a shake, cupcake.

'next',

Yzerfan1999

[Doc Holiday 0]

Interesting ... Burke offered Steve Moore a 2 way contract in Anaheim in 2005.

Burke offered Moore contract - The Province

Burke with a soft spot or Burke trying to appease Moore?

Obviously an attempt to appeal, despite the fact that Moore wouldn't even be able to earn any of that money anyways.

[esteef 2,679]

So if Kronwall had been sucker punched and had his head driven to the ice by Dustin Byfuglien after his hit on Havlat (headshot, though in todays league, legal - also could have been interference), Kronwall would have been a ***** and he would have deserved it?

Kronwall is a great hitter, but even a Wings fan has to admit a good chunk of the hits are questionable - either leaves his feet, charges, or throws the occasional elbow. Yet - the guy never fights? Do you think Kronwall is a ***** and he is going to get what he deserves, namely a career ending injury?

No one deserves to have their career ended because they clipped a guy with an elbow and made him miss three precious games.

Give your head a shake, cupcake.

'next',

Yzerfan1999

I'm actually astonished that more players don't start wailing on Kronwall as it is, especially with the lack of any kind of fighter (usually) on the Wings roster.

Shakin'!

esteef

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Interesting ... Burke offered Steve Moore a 2 way contract in Anaheim in 2005.

Burke offered Moore contract - The Province

Burke with a soft spot or Burke trying to appease Moore?

He may been trying to buy his silence.

[Broken 16 381]

So if Kronwall had been sucker punched and had his head driven to the ice by Dustin Byfuglien after his hit on Havlat (headshot, though in todays league, legal - also could have been interference), Kronwall would have been a ***** and he would have deserved it?

Kronwall is a great hitter, but even a Wings fan has to admit a good chunk of the hits are questionable - either leaves his feet, charges, or throws the occasional elbow. Yet - the guy never fights? Do you think Kronwall is a ***** and he is going to get what he deserves, namely a career ending injury?

No one deserves to have their career ended because they clipped a guy with an elbow and made him miss three precious games.

Give your head a shake, cupcake.

'next',

Yzerfan1999

He paid his debt. Get over it already. Live in the now.

[Sergei Fedorov91 24]

Better not F with Pavel or Henrik Brad May will put a bounty on your head and Todd will get ya.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

He paid his debt. Get over it already. Live in the now.

No he hasn't. Thats why these court filings are still happening - nothing has been settled.

I guess I don't blame Bert 100%, but I do think Moore hasn't got enough compensation. Its time for guys like Crawford (who I personally think it the biggest piece of s*** behind this) and Burke to come out and apologize, or at least take some of the blame. Its becoming more and more obvious that those two clowns were behind most of this.

Edited September 26, 2009 by Yzerfan1999

[Electrophile 3,554]

If I hand you a loaded gun and say "see that guy over there? He tried to rape your sister" and then you go shoot the guy.....I'm going to jail just as much as you are. I'm an accessory to the crime. The same as if I know you're suffering from deep depression or some other kind of mental illness and I hand you a loaded gun or a knife or a bottle of pills and you kill yourself.....I'm partially to blame. I gave you the instruments which caused your death. Your family could sue me in civil court. And probably win.

Culpability, be it civil or criminal, doesn't stop at the person who physically committed the act. "I was just following orders" is not a winning defense. If Crawford told Bertuzzi to do it, that's pre-meditation at the least.

Everyone involved with this whole debacle are a bunch of sleazebags, save Moore.

[DMAC 25 18]

McCarty's attack on Lemieux is the same s*** if not worse, he suckered Lemieux out of the blue. Bertuzzi was tugging at Moore's jersey letting him know it was coming. Moore knew it was coming and refused to defend himself, plain and simple. It's happened 1000 times before just like Moore's hit on Naslund has happened 1000 times before. Moore's neck just happened to break partially because Bertuzzi is a big guy and 3-4 other guys piling on doesn't help either, it was an unfortunate event.

A lot of people look at Moore's result and feel so bad for the guy, I look at the action instead and what actually happened... it's really not that uncommon.

lemieux's hit on draper was way worse

[Carman 387]

The incident has been dealt with, and Bertuzzi served his suspension. There was no vast conspiracy to end the career of some fringe NHLer. Moore didn't accept a fair market value deal. Moore does not deserve 10-12 million. He never had the potential to earn anything more then the league minimum. Moore and his lawyer are dragging this case out, he is just another person trying to get a pay day by suing as many people as he can see. I'm really wishing this can go away, I'm starting to lose sympathy for Moore who really is a innocent victim of a very unlucky and unfortunate situation.

[sureWhyNot 19]

No he hasn't. Thats why these court filings are still happening - nothing has been settled.

I guess I don't blame Bert 100%, but I do think Moore hasn't got enough compensation. Its time for guys like Crawford (who I personally think it the biggest piece of s*** behind this) and Burke to come out and apologize, or at least take some of the blame. Its becoming more and more obvious that those two clowns were behind most of this.

Wow, sure spending a lot of time analyzing something that has been done and over with for a while now - And yes, the book is closed, well, that is among parties who matter (NHL, Bertuzzi, etc.) My advice to you is move on, find a new issue to play your tiny violin for.

If I hand you a loaded gun and say "see that guy over there? He tried to rape your sister" and then you go shoot the guy.....I'm going to jail just as much as you are. I'm an accessory to the crime. The same as if I know you're suffering from deep depression or some other kind of mental illness and I hand you a loaded gun or a knife or a bottle of pills and you kill yourself.....I'm partially to blame. I gave you the instruments which caused your death. Your family could sue me in civil court. And probably win.

Culpability, be it civil or criminal, doesn't stop at the person who physically committed the act. "I was just following orders" is not a winning defense. If Crawford told Bertuzzi to do it, that's pre-meditation at the least.

Everyone involved with this whole debacle are a bunch of sleazebags, save Moore.

You are 100% wrong, I know of 3 cases where an individual killed them self - all were prescribed "pills". Never was the doctor who prescribed them the medication charged with anything.

That said, your argument in general is so far off base - analogies included - that it's hard to be taken seriously. Bertuzzi (and the rest of the team) were told to send a message to Moore for an dirty hit on their then captain. Given the situation, it being a hockey game where "payback" is more or less a common occurrence for cheap hits, running goalies, etc., etc. to argue culpability is non sense.

There was no intention to paralyze Moore and that is where any legal argument ends due to the fact sending a message for actions is entirely different in the NHL compared to the real world - Bertuzzi attempted to fight him, when Moore refused to go Bertuzzi mugged him - much like McCarty did Lemieux, Probert did to anyone who touched Yzerman whether they wanted to fight back or not, etc.

The result was of course incredibly unfortunate, to continue harping on it after all these years is a waste of time. Bertuzzi did something very regretable, or should I say, did something which very regrettable results. Let it go.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Wow, sure spending a lot of time analyzing something that has been done and over with for a while now - And yes, the book is closed, well, that is among parties who matter (NHL, Bertuzzi, etc.) My advice to you is move on, find a new issue to play your tiny violin for.

Well now that you say so...i guess the book is closed.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that - evidenced by the fact that the media is still talking about, and most importantly -so are the courts.

Its obviously worth discussion, apparent by the 9+ pages in this thread so far.

As long as the Wings have a guy like this on the team, I think its perfectly reasonable to discuss whether or not this guy has payed his dues, or whether or not all parties involved have fessed up to their wrong doings.

And there was no 'tiny-violin' playing...this is a legitimate discussion...that doesn't even make sense in this context.

[Electrophile 3,554]

You are 100% wrong, I know of 3 cases where an individual killed them self - all were prescribed "pills". Never was the doctor who prescribed them the medication charged with anything.

Who said I was talking about a doctor? I don't recall using that word anywhere in my post. If I know you're suicidal and I give you the means to commit suicide, either by shooting yourself, hanging yourself, OD'ing.....I absolutely can be taken to court by your family and I'd say 9 times out of 10, the jury will hand down a punishment of some kind to me, either criminal, civil or both.

BTW, if my post was apparently "nonsense", you shouldn't have wasted my time and yours by responding.

[Nhurdi 42]

I personally can't believe this is still being talked about.

[The Secret 304]

I personally can't believe this is still being talked about.

This is exactly what I was thinking. He didn't mean to break the guys neck, it was a fluke. Moore should have faced the music head on for taking a cheapshot at their star player but instead chose to tuck his tail and run. I'm not saying he deserve to have that injury but he had pay back coming be it from Bertuzzi or someone else. There are many other more serious acts that have happened in the league that don't get spoken of anymore, like players trying to step on other players with their skates on for one. Bertuzzi did not try to mame or seriously injure the guy and he has paid the price 10 fold by now. Leave it alone now after 5 years.

[Jedi 1,865]

Yeah, this one's run it's course.