Still want to trade Osgood?

[Viking_Erection 1]

just because he has had a few good games doesn't mean he's god's gift to goalies. calm down. in this last game he still looked a little slow to me. if not for the post and unlucky shots the score would have been different. not saying i don't like ozzie cause i do but dont start with he;s the best goalie in the league and all that crap. he has been very inconsistent. lets get further into the season with him playing good and then we can all jump up and down.

Osgood's not here to be gods gift to goalies. He's here to help this team get to the finals, which he has consistently done for us.

I do remember posters on here ranting for trading Ozzie, which is absolutely idiotic and unintelligent to say. Osgood is the best playoff goalie in the league and has all the rings to prove it.

There are a lot of great teams this year that won't go deep into the playoffs because they lack the goalie who can handle the pressure and excel when the team needs them to the most cough*Chicago*cough*Sharks*cough.

I might be the minority here, but I'm sticking with Ozzie through thick-and-thin because it's the playoffs this team is playing for, not the presidents trophy.

As for Howard, I remember about 4 or 5 years ago everyone on LGW's was yelling and crying bloody murder for Holland to trade Datsyuk. Now I am reading poster crying about Howard and Leino. I guess LGW'ers expect all rookie Red Wings players to come into the NHL as an all-star Roy and Yzerman type-caliber. Doesn't happen in the real world folks.

Edited November 4, 2009 by Viking_Erection

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

Be careful not to put a joke in your threads kids, they'll delete them.

JakeRyan can still suck it.

=(

I got an error message trying to reply to it. They deleted it while I was reading it.

As to Osgood... meh.

2 good games proves nothing but a streak... He's been looking sad, and the fact that the rest of the team has begun to differentiate heads from arses makes it hard to judge if oz changed much at all.

[Inultus 12]

As of now he has better numbers than Luongo.

I'm not an Ozzy hater by any means, but what crack are you smoking? The only number he has that is higher than Luongo's for the season is his penalty minutes.

Edit: Oh yeah, his GAA is higher as well.

Edited November 4, 2009 by Inultus

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

Osgood's not here to be gods gift to goalies. He's here to help this team get to the finals, which he has consistently done for us.

I do remember posters on here ranting for trading Ozzie, which is absolutely idiotic and unintelligent to say. Osgood is the best playoff goalie in the league and has all the rings to prove it.

There are a lot of great teams this year that won't go deep into the playoffs because they lack the goalie who can handle the pressure and excel when the team needs them to the most cough*Chicago*cough*Sharks*cough.

You're making some leaps in logic here... For starters, teams get to finals, not goalies... and your examples illustrate this perfectly. The first example is San Jose's lack of progress being due to Nabokov? You've got to be joking. That team consistently goes from top scorer to nothing every postseason. Nabokov's averages are consistently superior to his regular season efforts, and if you doubt his big game ability you won't after the Olympic break.. Osgood is among the best playoff performers of recent memory, but not the best, sorry, no one outside of Detroit would agree with that assertion. If he was stuck on San Jose with No-show Joe and the gang, then he would be golfing every summer too, I assure you.

As for Ozzie being here to get us to the finals... not even Ozzie can get a team to the finals that doesn't make the playoffs.. so the idea that he can waffle through the regular season and be okay simply doesn't hold water since we are no longer a team that can win despite a 3.00+ GAA.. We also don't have Conklin around to bail him out anymore either. And even though he had a good postseason last year, the previous postseason was an immensely superior effort and was paired with one of his best regular seasons, suggesting to me that there is a correlation between his regular season performance and playoff play. His positioning has been atrocious, his rebound control has been sub par, and he looks like he has the psychological resilience of a rookie at times. I want nothing but the best for him, but he clearly needs to shape up, because we simply aren't a team that can afford letting in all those goals anymore.

Edited November 4, 2009 by RedWings Gone Wild

[TheDetroitRedWings 286]

He has one good game and now he's the man right? Pshh. Whatever man. Of course I'm rooting for Osgood to be successful. But no way he keeps it going. He'll go right back to his "let 3-4 goals in during the 3rd period" self. I would say trade Osgood, but what kind of value would he bring? I'm guessing not much. We're probably going to have to ride his contract out. Then we can finally move on and try to get an elite netminder.

[BruiseBrother 2]

when his GAA gets around 2 (at least below 3) and he gets above .900, ask me then.

[cupforwings 138]

He has one good game and now he's the man right? Pshh. Whatever man. Of course I'm rooting for Osgood to be successful. But no way he keeps it going. He'll go right back to his "let 3-4 goals in during the 3rd period" self. I would say trade Osgood, but what kind of value would he bring? I'm guessing not much. We're probably going to have to ride his contract out. Then we can finally move on and try to get an elite netminder.

Trading Osgood is a very terrible idea, not to mention it would never happen. He is still a very valuable goalie come playoff time, and hopefully will be this season... if anything, like Holland said, we will see how this team, and Osgood, are playing by Thanksgiving, and if something needs to be done, then it will (Brion?)...but they would never trade Ozzy, just someone else to get another goalie... but Ozzy is the x factor for the wings this year and will have one of the biggest roles contributing to their success or failure (given the defense steps up)... but most likely their SUCCESS... GO WINGS

Edited November 5, 2009 by cupforwings

[OsGOD 3]

of course we should trade him! because of one shutout you don't want to trade him?

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

...and that stupid solid red helmet? No pizazz. Ship him.

[Dynheart 42]

It's funny. I read in this thread and see alot of "he has one good game"...just goes to show you that the wing fans expect shutouts from their goalies to have a good game. What about the game before? Or against the Phoenix (let in ONE bad goal), or Chicago...Washington? The rest of the games he was just "good" with the exception of 2 games...the first game and against the 'nucks. I say he's playing leaps and bounds better than he did last year, almost as good as 07-08 season.

Plus, it is a team sport, right? the defense shouldn't let the forwards on the other team to have yummy chances, especially against a small goal tender (I believe ozzie is the smallest in the league)...which, if you ask me, for his size Ozzie is a great goaltender. I believe that's why he's really aggressive this year...but of course fans knock on him for that as well.

Playing for the wings has got to be the among the worst teams to play for...not because of the franchise, but because of the fans...

Edited November 5, 2009 by Dynheart

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

Hey look at that! His 50th shutout!

My only reason for rubbing this in is because I counted about 4 or 5 threads aimed at coming up with a outlandish way to trade away osgood this year. Way to go over demanding fans!

a slumping bruins team - kessel (lost to toronto) - lucic (injured) - savard (injured) and krejci just diagnosed with H1N1.....

good effort by ozzie non the less. a shutout is a shutout.

[Viking_Erection 1]

You're making some leaps in logic here... For starters, teams get to finals, not goalies... and your examples illustrate this perfectly. The first example is San Jose's lack of progress being due to Nabokov? You've got to be joking. That team consistently goes from top scorer to nothing every postseason. Nabokov's averages are consistently superior to his regular season efforts, and if you doubt his big game ability you won't after the Olympic break.. Osgood is among the best playoff performers of recent memory, but not the best, sorry, no one outside of Detroit would agree with that assertion. If he was stuck on San Jose with No-show Joe and the gang, then he would be golfing every summer too, I assure you.

As for Ozzie being here to get us to the finals... not even Ozzie can get a team to the finals that doesn't make the playoffs.. so the idea that he can waffle through the regular season and be okay simply doesn't hold water since we are no longer a team that can win despite a 3.00+ GAA.. We also don't have Conklin around to bail him out anymore either. And even though he had a good postseason last year, the previous postseason was an immensely superior effort and was paired with one of his best regular seasons, suggesting to me that there is a correlation between his regular season performance and playoff play. His positioning has been atrocious, his rebound control has been sub par, and he looks like he has the psychological resilience of a rookie at times. I want nothing but the best for him, but he clearly needs to shape up, because we simply aren't a team that can afford letting in all those goals anymore.

mhmm. I read the first paragraph of this post and my assessment is that you obviously never watched playoff hockey before. Last time I checked, correct me if I am wrong, but the starting goalie is "part of the team". Please correct me if I am wrong. That said, all teams have some kind of weak link... What is the most critical weak link? The last line of defense; the goaltender. During the playoffs Osgood is far from the "weak link" (1.55 GAA / 2.01 GAA : back-to-back years).

So the Wings are not going to make the playoffs now? Lol. You've gone and lost your damn mind.

Your first argument is hockey is a TEAM sport ( "teams gets to the finals, not goalies" ), then your second argument is blaming "OSGOOD" for the losses (and you are already blaming Osgood for missing the playoffs - it's only November lol). Not mentioning the fact that team defense has had issues clearing the puck, the team's issue with giveaways, the break aways, sloppy faceoffs early on, the lack of team effort in the 1st period. Really? Is that your argument? Your hypocrisy is amusing and pathetic all at the same time.

You have lost all credibility.

EDIT: Your theory is if Wings miss the playoffs, it's Osgood fault. If the Wings make the SCF's, you'll only credit the offense. Despite the fact that Wings win many 1 goal games likes 2009. Amusing. Your logic makes me dizzy.

Now if only Ford and GM can build a safe car that nobody will EVER get injured in (even with a head on with a train), the world would become ever-so-perfect like your fantasy land.

Edited November 5, 2009 by Viking_Erection

[Lamothe 5]

Osgood has a bad game, half the board jumps on the "TRADE OSGOOD" bandwagon.

Osgood has a good game, half the board jumps on the "YOU WANTED TO TRADE HIM, LOOK AT HIM NOW!" bandwagon.

Both situations and outcomes are over short amounts of time. Even a bad goalie gets a shutout from time to time, and even a good one has a few bad games.

Osgood is our goalie, and I for one have faith in him. But he's no Brodeur or Luongo, either.

[Dynheart 42]

Osgood has a bad game, half the board jumps on the "TRADE OSGOOD" bandwagon.

Osgood has a good game, half the board jumps on the "YOU WANTED TO TRADE HIM, LOOK AT HIM NOW!" bandwagon.

Both situations and outcomes are over short amounts of time. Even a bad goalie gets a shutout from time to time, and even a good one has a few bad games.

Osgood is our goalie, and I for one have faith in him. But he's no Brodeur or Luongo, either.

Exactly. Ozzie is an outstanding goaltender...but not really elite. Luongo and Brodeur are the exception to the rules really. Fans should lower their expectations and not expect elite goaltender/players all the time...that's what makes those players elite, and if everybody was elite...can you imagine the scores? 10-14 etc etc...no matter the goalie.

Ozzie is a great goalie, get's the job done...not to mention the guy is tiny compared to 99% of the goal tenders. So he has to rely on positioning, and if the defense fails him, no amount of acrobatics is going to make up for a 5-8 inch disadvantage that other goalies have on him.

I would also like to point out that he is a stand up goalie, butterflies sometime...but that's when he let's in five hole goals. And with todays NHL, stand up goalie style is prolly the hardest style to play as. Just food for thought.

Anyway, Ozzie is going no where!

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

mhmm. I read the first paragraph of this post and my assessment is that you obviously never watched playoff hockey before. Last time I checked, correct me if I am wrong, but the starting goalie is "part of the team". Please correct me if I am wrong. That said, all teams have some kind of weak link... What is the most critical weak link? The last line of defense; the goaltender. During the playoffs Osgood is far from the "weak link" (1.55 GAA / 2.01 GAA : back-to-back years).

So the Wings are not going to make the playoffs now? Lol. You've gone and lost your damn mind.

Your first argument is hockey is a TEAM sport ( "teams gets to the finals, not goalies" ), then your second argument is blaming "OSGOOD" for the losses (and you are already blaming Osgood for missing the playoffs - it's only November lol). Not mentioning the fact that team defense has had issues clearing the puck, the team's issue with giveaways, the break aways, sloppy faceoffs early on, the lack of team effort in the 1st period. Really? Is that your argument? Your hypocrisy is amusing and pathetic all at the same time.

You have lost all credibility.

EDIT: Your theory is if Wings miss the playoffs, it's Osgood fault. If the Wings make the SCF's, you'll only credit the offense. Despite the fact that Wings win many 1 goal games likes 2009. Amusing. Your logic makes me dizzy.

Now if only Ford and GM can build a safe car that nobody will EVER get injured in (even with a head on with a train), the world would become ever-so-perfect like your fantasy land.

I always love posts like this..... I said not 1 single thing that you claimed I said. The idea that goalies aren't part of the team? never said. Did I ever say Osgood was a weak link in the playoffs? No, not once. Did I say the wings won't make the playoffs? No, not once. Did I ever once put all the blame Osgood for the losses? No, not once. Did I ever say our defense has nothing to do with the problem? No, not once.

"Your theory is if the wings miss the playoffs, it's Osgood fault"..... please, please please please... where the F did I say anything remotely resembling that? Good god, get the hell off of a blog if you can't read.

I'll paraphrase what I said with really small words so you can comprehend it:

1. Osgood can't suck through the regular season like last year. We are no longer a team that can win despite a 3.00 GAA. That's pretty clear English buddy, not sure where all your other idiotic rambling came from.

2. He has been sub par thus far. Period. He's turned it around the last 2 games, been better tonight, but his consistency is still in question after last season and this season's start.

3. You criticizing Nabokov is a joke, because the blame has ALWAYS rested on the shoulders of San Jose's no-show offense.

Everything else you mentioned is pure nonsense, and the idea that you question my "credibility" and then try and argue a series of points I NEVER EVER ONCE MADE... Well, let's just say I'm biting my tongue and giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're just being a decent person who made some comprehension mistakes.... but seriously man, I've never seen such an unrelated response to one of my posts before.

Edited November 6, 2009 by RedWings Gone Wild

[Guest Four]

3 straight solid games by Ozzie (L)

[Shaman 713]

3 games, 2 goals allowed, still glad i have him on my fantasy team.

[digitaljohn88 4]

Ozzy Stat Watch:

6-2-2 .910% 2.44GAA 1SO

[Nev 1,085]

Great to see Ozzie turning it around, lets hope he keeps it up. The rest of the season in this kind of form sure would be nice

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

The last 3 games have been the Ozzie that's played the past two postseasons. Giving his team a chance to win and being big when he needs to be. This is exactly what I was asking of Ozzie a couple weeks. Good on him for responding the way he has.

[Guest mindfly]

Most likely osgood read this board so he knew the fans were pissed off about the soft goals and brutal play.

[Redline 0]

The Osgood roller coaster is back on track.

[gcom007 1,465]

I'm not an Ozzy hater by any means, but what crack are you smoking? The only number he has that is higher than Luongo's for the season is his penalty minutes.

Edit: Oh yeah, his GAA is higher as well.

Wrong before last nights game, definitely wrong now. And I don't really give a rip about Luongo, it's only so many fans love to play "if only we signed Luongo for $8 million a season..."

[evilmrt 636]

Ah no, I don't want to trade Osgood and never thought about it this season. However, Jimmy Howard is a big question mark. I think, if he doesn't improve in the last two months of the year, a move SHOULD be made after the olympic break. The Ozzie/Conks tandem worked wonders last season, and now its Ozzie and a big ? for a tandem. I don't know if this means dealing Howard for a prospect and bringing up Larsson or what, but you guys do need to consider that Osgood works best as part of a strong tandem of goalies.

[mackel 768]

Clearly, since it was the fault of the Defence for the losses and Osgood's poor play early on, this recent hot streak and "better play" by Osgood can be directly attributed to the Defence right? Or does the knife not cut both ways in Osgood Apologist Nation?