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Sorry to burst your bubble redwingsfan1003 but your idea for Lidstrom won't work. He is over the age of 35 so if he signs a new contract he can't retire before its up otherwise his cap hit will still count against us for the remaining years on his contract even if he doesn't play. If Lidstrom comes back it will only be a 1 or 2 year deal, no "discount" years can be tacked on like they were for Z or Franzen.

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Horton signed a 6 year/$24 Million deal with the Panthers in 2007. So his cap hit is $4 Million, way out of the Wings available cap space range. Good player, but can't afford him.

Like I said before, I want the Wings to go out and sign Matthew Lombardi and Dan Hamhuis. They can do it depending on what Listrom's deal is. I think the Wings should sign him to a 5 year, $14 Million deal. Now I know Lidstrom is going to play just one or two more years, but signing him for five at $14M allows him to make $6 Million per season while only being a $2.8 Million hit on the cap, allowing the Wings to sign Lombardi and Hamhuis. I'm also on board trading Cleary so the Wings would be able to sign Tomas Plekanec, a good scorer(25 goals/45 assists this season) and plays well on the PK. Plekanec costs the same as Cleary, but scores a lot more, and is five years younger.

Lidstrom: $6 Million Salary/5 yr, $14 Million Contract/$2.8 Million Cap Hit

Hamhuis: $3 Million Salary/3 yr/$9.5 Million Contract/$3.25 Million Cap Hit

Lombardi: $2 Million Salary/5 yr, $11 Million Contract/$2.2 Million Cap Hit

Plekanec: $3 Million Salary/5 yr, $15 Million Contract/$3 Million Cap Hit

-Lidstrom is a classy guy and he'll take a $1.45 Million pay cut for the team knowing they will be better and he has two more chances at a fifth Cup.

-Hamhuis could get a $3.5-4 Million per season deal, but I believe he'd take a $250,000-$750,000 pay cut knowing he'd have a chance to win a Cup every season.

-Lombardi could probably get another Million to a Million and a half more in a five year deal, but I also believe he'll take the cut knowing he'd have a chance to win a cup every season.

-Plekanec is my one true question mark. If he wins a Cup with Montreal, he may want more money. If Montreal loses, he may take a deal with a perennial contender for less. This season, he made $2.75 Million. With a 70 point season, he may want more money anyway. But would $250,000 more per season($1.25 Million total) be enough to bring him to Hockeytown? I have no idea.

Here's the way I'm looking at it:

Lilja or Hamhuis?

Lilja turns 35 in July and has a history of concussion issues. Hamhuis turns 28 in December, and while not a big scorer, will provide more offense than Lilja and is plain and simple a better defenseman than Lilja.

Cleary or Plekanec?

Cleary, who turns 32 in December and is exiting his prime, peaked at 42 points in 2007-08. Plekanec turns 28 in October, is in the middle of his prime, and peaked at 70 points this season.

Bertuzzi or Lombardi?

Bertuzzi, who just turned 35 this past February, is past his prime. The Wings caught lightning in a bottle this season with his 18 goals and 44 points. Bertuzzi does have good size(6'3" 245), but I'd sacrifice his size for a guy with speed. Lombardi just turned 28 this past March also is in the middle of his prime. He scored 19 goals this season and had 53 points. He and Helm will thrive with each other's speed along with Hudler.

Projected Lines with Signings:

Line 1: Datsyuk, Holmstrom, Filppula

Line 2: Zetterberg, Franzen, Plekanec

Line 3: Helm, Hudler, Lombardi

Line 4: Draper, Abdelkader, Ritola

DP 1: Lidstrom & Rafalski

DP 2: Kronwall & Hamhuis

DP 3: Ericsson & Stuart

G: Chris Osgood

G: Jimmy Howard

I guess we'll have to wait and see. Seven weeks from today Free Agency opens!!!

Let me summarize what i hope to see that is somewhat realistic:

-Trade Hudler for draft picks

-Let Bertuzzi walk

-Re-sign Holmstrom

-Re-sign Lidstrom at a discount

-Let Lilja walk

-Let Lebda walk

-Let Meech walk

-Let Williams walk

-Re-sign Eaves

-Re-sign Abdelkader

-Re-sign Helm

-Let Miller walk

-Maltby retires

-Sign a tough defensemen that blocks shots like Sheldon Brookbank or Jim Vandermeer

-Sign a gritty 4th line center that can take draws like Ryan Johnson or Brian Sutherby or Brandon Prust and sign a rugged winger with some skill like Shawn Thornton or Brad WInchester.

Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Filppula-Zetterberg-Cleary

Abdelkader-Helm-Eaves

Draper-______-______

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Stuart-Kronwall

Ericsson-______

-Kindl

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I dunno if this has been discussed since its way too long of a thread to read all of it but its looking like Kenny wants to toughen up the bottom 6. Hopefully he gets someone who isn`t coming here to play a year then retire. Someone under 30 would be nice.

He said someone who can play and is really tough to play against (which means he probably wants someone who will fight) because Babs loves these guys. We could probably use a third liner but it doesn't seem like its going to happen unless something unforeseen takes place. So heres a list of realistic guys who wouldn't cost much more then a million at the most and are tough to play against.

Adam Burish - think the hawks need to let some guys go, they already have eager, fraser and some other scrappy guys so Burish may the odd man out. I really think this might be the most realistic guy to sign here. Only 26(?) or so. From our division so the wings will know a lot about him.

Eric Nystrom - Not a fighter but can fight and fights pretty well when he does. Plays a work horse style game and will grind it out with the best of them. PKs like crazy and will run guys over. He's also in his mid 20s so thats a plus.

Brad Winchester - Big guy, hits, fights and can play the game. WOuld be a perfect fit for a 4th line role here. I`m pretty sure he`s under 30 so he could be a good pick up for what we`re looking for.

Scott Nichol - Faceoffs, PK, Feistiness, the occasional scrap. If he does well in San Jose this year he might choose to stay. He's also old so would rather see one of the first 2.

Zenon Konopka - led the leagues in fights and faceoff percentage last season. Could take Drapers spot as the 4th line centerman. Under 30 and put up lots of points in the AHL so there may some untapped potential there too.

Aaron Asham - Best middleweight fighter in the league. Plays on a solid third line and can put up 30 points. The only knock on him is his age. Could fit in nicely though.

Shawn Thorton - another older guy but he`s a heavyweight that can play really well. Definitely deserves to play other then his fighting skills. Wouldn`t mind seeing him since he`ll take anyone on.

Adding any of these guys with the addition of Abdelkader to the bottom 6 will make this team much different to watch. If Kenny realy wants to toughen it up, let Lilja walk and sign Carkner.

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bert, draper, malts have to go, we have a lot of experience, and draper and malts dont bring offense and bert doesnt play defense often, id like to see detroit get rid of these guys this year, and pick up either wellwood, ladd, brouwer etc. guys that can score on the thrid line without much help from star players. they also run about the same price as bert or less, and are young. chicago will have to let some of their guys go... i want eaves and miller and abby in next year cause they are great role players.

id love these d pairings:

Stuart-Kronner

Lids - Rafi

Volchenkov - Lilja

Ericsson, Kindl, Smith as reserves.

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I dunno if this has been discussed since its way too long of a thread to read all of it but its looking like Kenny wants to toughen up the bottom 6. Hopefully he gets someone who isn`t coming here to play a year then retire. Someone under 30 would be nice.

He said someone who can play and is really tough to play against (which means he probably wants someone who will fight) because Babs loves these guys. We could probably use a third liner but it doesn't seem like its going to happen unless something unforeseen takes place. So heres a list of realistic guys who wouldn't cost much more then a million at the most and are tough to play against.

Adam Burish - think the hawks need to let some guys go, they already have eager, fraser and some other scrappy guys so Burish may the odd man out. I really think this might be the most realistic guy to sign here. Only 26(?) or so. From our division so the wings will know a lot about him.

Eric Nystrom - Not a fighter but can fight and fights pretty well when he does. Plays a work horse style game and will grind it out with the best of them. PKs like crazy and will run guys over. He's also in his mid 20s so thats a plus.

Brad Winchester - Big guy, hits, fights and can play the game. WOuld be a perfect fit for a 4th line role here. I`m pretty sure he`s under 30 so he could be a good pick up for what we`re looking for.

Scott Nichol - Faceoffs, PK, Feistiness, the occasional scrap. If he does well in San Jose this year he might choose to stay. He's also old so would rather see one of the first 2.

Zenon Konopka - led the leagues in fights and faceoff percentage last season. Could take Drapers spot as the 4th line centerman. Under 30 and put up lots of points in the AHL so there may some untapped potential there too.

Aaron Asham - Best middleweight fighter in the league. Plays on a solid third line and can put up 30 points. The only knock on him is his age. Could fit in nicely though.

Shawn Thorton - another older guy but he`s a heavyweight that can play really well. Definitely deserves to play other then his fighting skills. Wouldn`t mind seeing him since he`ll take anyone on.

Adding any of these guys with the addition of Abdelkader to the bottom 6 will make this team much different to watch. If Kenny realy wants to toughen it up, let Lilja walk and sign Carkner.

This has been discussed and i totally agree with you.I'm not sure if it was this thread or not but i put an absolute mammoth list of all the guys that i could think of that will be available this offseason that would be good 4th line pickups.Sheldon Brookbank would be a cheap,solid upgrade from Lilja as well.

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OK back to make a little sense...

Williams gone

Bert gone (probably)

Miller stays

Eaves stays

Nick comes back... please

And for the sake of mindfly Carey Price goes somewhere else to be overrated and flake out.

People want Cleary gone because he had a groin issue and didn't put up the #'s like last playoffs. There are quite

a few Cleary's out there I understand that...but the guy just works hard for us and I can't rightly ever say get rid of Dan Cleary

I originally posted a thread on how bad I want him gone a month or two ago. I can't stand him... sure he scored a few goals but 2.5million cap hit can get much more then what hes bringing, he's small, injury prone, and slowing down... I've been saying this all along. I can't remember the last time if ever he's played all games. Say what you want about Bertuzzi but he came in and did what we needed him to do. Hudlers a traitor and needs to be traded

Get rid of somehow:

Williams, Maltby, Meech, Lebda, Lilja, Draper, Kindl, Hudler, and possibly Rafalski (in my dreams)

Replace with young gritty forwards like Winchester, Ladd, etc.

Alot of people will hate on this but I didn't see any hunger in the SJ series... sure we were injured etc. but look at Montreal they WANT to win.

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I originally posted a thread on how bad I want him gone a month or two ago. I can't stand him... sure he scored a few goals but 2.5million cap hit can get much more then what hes bringing, he's small, injury prone, and slowing down... I've been saying this all along. I can't remember the last time if ever he's played all games. Say what you want about Bertuzzi but he came in and did what we needed him to do. Hudlers a traitor and needs to be traded

Get rid of somehow:

Williams, Maltby, Meech, Lebda, Lilja, Draper, Kindl, Hudler, and possibly Rafalski (in my dreams)

Replace with young gritty forwards like Winchester, Ladd, etc.

Alot of people will hate on this but I didn't see any hunger in the SJ series... sure we were injured etc. but look at Montreal they WANT to win.

No hatin going on here.It's the truth.

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I dunno if this has been discussed since its way too long of a thread to read all of it but its looking like Kenny wants to toughen up the bottom 6. Hopefully he gets someone who isn`t coming here to play a year then retire. Someone under 30 would be nice.

He said someone who can play and is really tough to play against (which means he probably wants someone who will fight) because Babs loves these guys. We could probably use a third liner but it doesn't seem like its going to happen unless something unforeseen takes place. So heres a list of realistic guys who wouldn't cost much more then a million at the most and are tough to play against.

Adam Burish - think the hawks need to let some guys go, they already have eager, fraser and some other scrappy guys so Burish may the odd man out. I really think this might be the most realistic guy to sign here. Only 26(?) or so. From our division so the wings will know a lot about him.

Eric Nystrom - Not a fighter but can fight and fights pretty well when he does. Plays a work horse style game and will grind it out with the best of them. PKs like crazy and will run guys over. He's also in his mid 20s so thats a plus.

Brad Winchester - Big guy, hits, fights and can play the game. WOuld be a perfect fit for a 4th line role here. I`m pretty sure he`s under 30 so he could be a good pick up for what we`re looking for.

Scott Nichol - Faceoffs, PK, Feistiness, the occasional scrap. If he does well in San Jose this year he might choose to stay. He's also old so would rather see one of the first 2.

Zenon Konopka - led the leagues in fights and faceoff percentage last season. Could take Drapers spot as the 4th line centerman. Under 30 and put up lots of points in the AHL so there may some untapped potential there too.

Aaron Asham - Best middleweight fighter in the league. Plays on a solid third line and can put up 30 points. The only knock on him is his age. Could fit in nicely though.

Shawn Thorton - another older guy but he`s a heavyweight that can play really well. Definitely deserves to play other then his fighting skills. Wouldn`t mind seeing him since he`ll take anyone on.

Adding any of these guys with the addition of Abdelkader to the bottom 6 will make this team much different to watch. If Kenny realy wants to toughen it up, let Lilja walk and sign Carkner.

Pretty much agree with everything here except Holland's desire to get tougher...Having anyone from the Carkner clan makes me :)

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Here is the final roster I'm going to post on here...at least until July 1. I think some of my decisions would intrigue many people, and while I believe we're a Cup Contender right now, I believe the moves I would make if I was Mr. Holland will make this team just that much better. This roster is based on the Salary Cap being set at $57,700,000. This is according to a report posted on cbc.ca. Gary Bettman has recently stated "the cap is expected to increase by $100-thousand or stay flat." On Tuesday, May 18, Ken Holland reported on WJR 760 he is budgeting the roster with a cap of $57-$57.5 Million. WJR also reported that the cap may increase from anywhere between $59-$61 Million. The actual Salary Cap for 2010-11 will not be released until after the conclusion of the 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs, probably be released around mid-June.

5/D--------NICKLAS LIDSTROM---------AGE 40-----2YR, $10M CONTRACT---------$5,000,000 CAP HIT

8/LW------JUSTIN ABDELKADER--------AGE 23-----3YR, $3M CONTRACT----------$1,000,000 CAP HIT

11/RW----DAN CLEARY------------------AGE 31-----3YR, $9M CONTRACT----------$2,800,000 CAP HIT

13/C------PAVEL DATSYUK--------------AGE 32-----4YR, $26.8M CONTRACT------$6,700,000 CAP HIT

17/RW----PATRICK EAVES--------------AGE 26-----2YR, $1.1M CONTRACT----------$550,000 CAP HIT

20/LW----DREW MILLER----------------AGE 26-----2YR, $1.1M CONTRACT----------$550,000 CAP HIT

21/D------SHELDON BROOKBANK-----AGE 30-----2YR, $1.1M CONTRACT----------$550,000 CAP HIT

23/D------BRAD STUART-----------------AGE 30----2YR, $7.5M CONTRACT--------$3,750,000 CAP HIT

26/RW----JIRI HUDLER------------------AGE 26----2YR, $5.75M CONTRACT-------$2,875,000 CAP HIT

28/D------BRIAN RAFALSKI-------------AGE 37-----2YR, $12M CONTRACT---------$6,000,000 CAP HIT

30/G------CHRIS OSGOOD-------------AGE 37-----1YR, $1.1M CONTRACT--------$1,416,666 CAP HIT

32/RW----ARRON ASHAM---------------AGE 32-----2YR, $1.4M CONTRACT----------$700,000 CAP HIT

33/C------KRIS DRAPER-----------------AGE 39-----1YR, $1.25M CONTRACT------$1,583,333 CAP HIT

35/G------JIMMY HOWARD--------------AGE 26-----1YR, $800K CONTRACT---------$716,666 CAP HIT

40/C------HENRIK ZETTERBERG-------AGE 29-----11YR, $65.6M CONTRACT-----$6,083,333 CAP HIT

42/C------MATTIAS RITOLA-------------AGE 23-----3YR, $1.55M CONTRACT--------$516,667 CAP HIT

43/C------DARREN HELM----------------AGE 23-----5YR, $7.5M CONTRACT-------$1,500,000 CAP HIT

46/D------JAKUB KINDL-----------------AGE 23-----3YR, $2.65M CONTRACT--------$883,000 CAP HIT

51/C------VALTTERI FILPPULA---------AGE 26-----3YR, $10.5M CONTRACT------$3,000,000 CAP HIT

52/D------JONATHAN ERICSSON------AGE 26-----1YR, $1.25M CONTRACT--------$900,000 CAP HIT

55/D------NIKLAS KRONWALL---------AGE 29-----2YR, $7.25M CONTRACT------$3,000,000 CAP HIT

61/RW---MAXIM AFINOGENOV--------AGE 31-----1YR, $1.1M CONTRACT-------$1,100,000 CAP HIT

93/RW---JOHAN FRANZEN-------------AGE 30----10YR, $38M CONTRACT--------$3,954,545 CAP HIT

96/LW---TOMAS HOLMSTROM---------AGE 37----1YR, $1.5M CONTRACT--------$1,500,000 CAP HIT

2010-11 SALARY CAP-------$57,700,000

24 PLAYERS SIGNED FOR--$56,629,210

REMAINING CAP SPACE-----$1,070,790

PROJECTED LINES--

LINE 1: DATSYUK-FILPPULA-HUDLER

LINE 2: ZETTERBERG-FRANZEN-HOLMSTROM

LINE 3: HELM-AFINOGENOV-CLEARY

LINE 4: MILLER-ABDELKADER-ASHAM

EXTRA FORWARDS: DRAPER-EAVES-RITOLA

DEFENSIVE PAIRING 1: LIDSTROM-RAFALSKI

DEFENSIVE PAIRING 2: KRONWALL-STUART

DEFENSIVE PAIRING 3: ERICSSON-BROOKBANK

EXTRA DEFENSEMAN: KINDL

GOALIES

JIMMY HOWARD

CHRIS OSGOOD

With a roster of 24, there has to be a cut somewhere. NHL Rules state a roster can have a maximum of 23 players. With that being the case, I believe the Wings will gamble losing Mattias Ritola by sending him to Grand Rapids for one more season, or at least attempting to do so. The three-year deal he just signed includes a two-way contract during the first year of his contract, however, for him to be sent down to Grand Rapids, he must go through waivers.

Reasons for my moves:

1) Hudler is coming back next season. He averaged a point a game in the KHL last season. That will give Detroit at least 20 goals and hopefully 65-70 points that it lost last Summer. I think he will produce to expectations on a line with Datsyuk and Filppula. Datsyuk and Filppula worked very well in the playoffs and Hudler scored a career-high 57 points in 2008-09 on a line with Filppula.

2) Resign Holmstrom. This is such an easy move. Homer scored at least 20 goals in each of the past five seasons. Account for his screens of opposing goalies and Holmstrom has at least another ten goals per season. He's the best in the league at what he does. Re-up him, and I'm banking on him taking a small paycut for the better of the team and for a better chance at winning his fifth Cup.

3) Sign UFA Maxim Afinogenov. If this guy hits the open market come July 1, I'd love to see the Wings go after him. His last two seasons with Buffalo, he scored only 48 points in 104 games. But this past season, he went on a tear for 24 goals and 61 points, for a mere $800,000. There's no doubt he'll want an increase, but if he was willing to accept a $300,000 increase, would he come to a team with a chance at the Cup? It's worth a shot. His lightning speed on a line with Helm and Cleary in it of itself will result in unexpected offense. He turns 31 in September.

4) Sign UFA Arron Asham. Aaron Downey and Brad May rarely found themselves in the Winged Wheel. The Wings need a gritty forward who is strong on the puck while also not being afraid to play a physical game i.e. a Darren McCarty or Dallas Drake type. Arron Asham is that guy. He'll provide the team with 20-25 points, but he also stands up for teammates, drops the gloves often, and he crashes the net, which will account for at least an extra 5-10 goals during the season.

5) Sign UFA Sheldon Brookbank. Andreas, Andreas, Andreas. Thank you for helping the Wings to the Cup in 2008. They wouldn't have won without you. But since the concussion in 2009, Lilja is a liability. It's nothing against him, but he doesn't play the gritty physical game that he did in 2008. I believe this is solely due to the concussion he suffered. In any event, Brookbank can be had for close to $1 Million less than Lilja, and will provide what Lilja did in 2008. A third-pairing defenseman, Brookbank, who turns 30 in October, always thinks team first. He is willing to stand up for his teammates and plays solid defensively. In 66 games with the Ducks last season, Sheldon had nine points and finished a plus-10. He also can provide Jonathan Ericsson with leadership skills and can possibly teach Ericsson how to use his size effectively.

6) I set my extra forwards as Draper-Eaves-Ritola. This is depth, which is the number two most important thing to have to contend, the first being goaltending. These three can swap in with the lower six for a game to give a player some rest. The extra forwards will split time with Line 4 to keep each other healthy and well-rested. Depth is pivotal for teams to win the Stanley Cup.

Here is my final roster before Free Agency opens. What do you guys think?

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Not the craziest roster I've seen. However, I just don't see Kenny swapping out Bertuzzi (think he'll be back) with a player like Afinogenov. I think he keeps Bertuzzi and loses one of either Eaves or Miller.

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I don't like a 42year old earning 5million per year :/

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I don't mean to be a jerk but...couldn't you have just posted this in the other thread you already made thats basically the same topic?

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Probably a second Blueadams account or something.

Lilja has played like 25 games since coming back. I'd wait before you say he's not a physical player anymore.

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1.1 for Maxim huh. Ask Hudler what type of number he posted last year gets him on the closed market.

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Afinogenov gets $3m plus, no less.

Asham gets $1.3m plus, no less.

Brookbank gets around $750k, give or take.

Ok roster, Brookbank would play less than 20 games and 0 in the playoffs though, and the enforcer role has proven itself pretty obsolete in the past few years. Seriously, of all the major cheap shots we've seen, all the big-name cheap players... when have they ever been "deterred" by a tough guy being on the other team's roster?

You need to have a Probert, Stevens, Clark, or someone like that who can play a lot of minutes effectively every night not a guy who sits the bench for 55 minutes. It's like giving a police officer SWAT armor and a knife, while the criminal has a .38. You might not be able to hurt him, but he can't really do anything to you either.

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Afinogenov gets $3m plus, no less.

Asham gets $1.3m plus, no less.

Brookbank gets around $750k, give or take.

Ok roster, Brookbank would play less than 20 games and 0 in the playoffs though, and the enforcer role has proven itself pretty obsolete in the past few years. Seriously, of all the major cheap shots we've seen, all the big-name cheap players... when have they ever been "deterred" by a tough guy being on the other team's roster?

You need to have a Probert, Stevens, Clark, or someone like that who can play a lot of minutes effectively every night not a guy who sits the bench for 55 minutes. It's like giving a police officer SWAT armor and a knife, while the criminal has a .38. You might not be able to hurt him, but he can't really do anything to you either.

Yeah, cuz the flyers went no where in the playoffs with a bunch of enforcers. Oh, wait, they're still playing and our pansy butts are on the golf course.

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Bertuzzi over Miller? :lol:

HUDLER ON THE TOP LINE?!?!?! :hysterical:

listen all you hudler slappies out there, he wasn't good enough to make his own Olympic team, he is not gonna help this team over the hump and he will not play above the third line........ You guys are really delusional!

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Bertuzzi over Miller? :lol:

HUDLER ON THE TOP LINE?!?!?! :hysterical:

listen all you hudler slappies out there, he wasn't good enough to make his own Olympic team, he is not gonna help this team over the hump and he will not play above the third line........ You guys are really delusional!

you would keep Miller over Bertuzzi ?

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Yeah, cuz the flyers went no where in the playoffs with a bunch of enforcers. Oh, wait, they're still playing and our pansy butts are on the golf course.

I wouldn't recommend you compare Eastern conf hockey with Western conf hockey.

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well at least now we know the glorious sheldon brookbank will lead us back to lord stanley

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