That all looks great, but Nieuwendyk:
3 Cups vs. 0 Cups. Doesn't mean much to some since other players have Cups and no individual awards, but doing it on 3 different teams is something. Plus, he was nominated and WON awards.
- Calder Trophy - 1988
- King Clancy Memorial Trophy - 1995
- Conn Smythe Trophy - 1999
- NHL All-Star Game - 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994
- Winter Olympics gold medal - 2002
- Stanley Cup - 1989 (Calgary Flames), 1999 (Dallas Stars), 2003 (New Jersey Devils)
If your argument is Nieuwedyk has been on better teams than Oates, I'll agree to that.
But I tried to list individual accomplishments for Oates, while more than half of yours were team accomplishments.
As a 2nd line center, Nieuwendyk was definitely good... good enough if there was a Hall of Good. Oates was great.
All Star Games are nothing but popularity contests, but Oates did play in one more than Nieuwendyk.
His 2nd Team All Star Selection I value much more - something Nieuwendyk never accomplished.
These guys started playing at the same time, and Nieuwendyk never approached what Oates was able to accomplish:
Oates top points were -- 142, 115, 112, 102, 99, 92, 82, 82
Compared to Nieundyk's -- 95, 92, 85, 82, 75, 75, 69, 55
Not even comparable.
His Conn Smythe is great, but in his other two Cup years he was hardly a key component: with 23 points in 39 games and a -2 rating.
Oates beats Joe in everything but goal scoring, rookie year and the teams they were on.
Oates scored by far more points, as well as PPG in both the regular season and playoffs.
Both were similar two-way players.
I have a hard time supporting a forward who never even once placed in the Top 10 of the league in points. That does not scream Hall of Fame to me.
Edited by egroen, 21 June 2010 - 12:56 PM.