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[mindfly]

What do you think about this list?
(NY means NEW, on the list)
(The number to the right is their ranking from last year's)

HOCKEY NEWS TOPP 50-LIST

1. Sidney Crosby, C, Pit (2)
2. Alex Ovechkin, LW, Wsh (1)
3. Ryan Miller, G, Buf (NY) (Miller 3rd best player.. not so sure)
4. Pavel Datsyuk, C, Det (4)
5. Jonathan Toews, C, Chi (NY) (Toews better than Keith, Henrik Sedin etc? give me a break)
6. Henrik Sedin, C, Van (20)
7. Duncan Keith, D, Chi, (37)
8. Evgeni Malkin, C, Pit (3)
9. Nicklas Bäckström, C, Wsh (27)
10. Steven Stamkos, C, TB, (NY)
11. Daniel Sedin, LW, Van (19)
12. Patrick Kane, RW, Chi (34)
13. Martin St-Louis, RW, TB (33)
14. Drew Doughty, D, LA (NY)
15. Zack Parise, LW, NJ (16)
16. Chris Pronger, D, Phi (23) (Pronger better than Lidstrom?)
17. Nicklas Lidström, D, Det (10) (Wtf?)
18. Marian Gaborik, RW, NYR (42)
19. Ilya Kovalchuk, LW, NJ (17)
20. Ilya Bryzgalov, G, Phx (NY)
21. Anze Kopitar, C, LA (NY)
22. Henrik Zetterberg, LW, Det (9)
23. Mike Richards, C, Phi (28)
24. Mike Green, D, Whs (22)
25. Joe Thornton, C, SJ (18)
26. Martin Brodeur, G, NJ (15)
27. Marian Hossa, RW, Chi (30)
28. Brad Richards, C, Dal (NY)
29. Ryan Getzlaf, C, Ana (7)
30. Roberto Luongo, G, Van (6)
31. Ryan Kesler, C, Van (NY)
32. Alex Semin, RW, Wsh (40)
33. Erik Staal, C, Car (8)
34. Dan Boyle, D, SJ (NY)
35. Shea Weber, D, Nsh (35)
36. Rick Nash, LW, Clb (38)
37. Zdeno Chara, D, Bos (5)
38. Dany Heatley, LW, SJ (43)
39. Miikka Kiprusoff, G, Cgy (36)
40. Henrik Lundqvist, G, NYR (24)
41. Jarome Iginla, RW, Cgy (11)
42. Patrick Marleau, LW, SJ (50)
43. Daniel Alfredsson, RW, Ott (NY)
44. Corey Perry, RW, Ana (31)
45. Jaroslav Halak, G, StL (NY)
46. Alex Burrows, LW, Van (NY)
47. Tuukka Rask, G, Bos (NY)
48. Tyler Myers, D, Buf (NY)
49. Mike Cammalleri, LW, Mtl (NY)
50. Vincent Lecavalier, C, TB (12)

[Echolalia]

Toews is good. He's a hard worker, has a great deal of talent, has a good hockey sense and is a great leader. But this kid has to be one of the most overrated players, at least for now.

[mindfly]

One good thing is that they've been honest and kept it real with Datsyuk...

[xtrememachine1]

The interesting thing to me is, just a few months ago, the hockey writers of North America picked Sedin for the Hart trophy. With Ovie 2nd and Crosby a distant 3rd. Now the order is in reverse. What's changed that would sway the rankings that much?

[hockey23]

Toews is good. He's a hard worker, has a great deal of talent, has a good hockey sense and is a great leader. But this kid has to be one of the most overrated players, at least for now.

Agreed. He's a quality player but not elite. Definitely not top 5. He's never even put up 70 pts. He also gets labeled as one of the best two-way forwards but was a minus in the playoffs.

[kook_10]

The interesting thing to me is, just a few months ago, the hockey writers of North America picked Sedin for the Hart trophy. With Ovie 2nd and Crosby a distant 3rd. Now the order is in reverse. What's changed that would sway the rankings that much?

They probably presented it as preseason predictions. That would explain why Lids would fall so much as he aged another year. It wouldn't explain why Pronger went up so much after having offseason knee surgery though.

[toby91_ca]

The interesting thing to me is, just a few months ago, the hockey writers of North America picked Sedin for the Hart trophy. With Ovie 2nd and Crosby a distant 3rd. Now the order is in reverse. What's changed that would sway the rankings that much?

Firstly, the Hart trophy is supposed to go to the MVP, no the best player, so it doesn't really compare, but ignorning that for a minute, let's assume it goes to the best player.

Here is how your question gets answered:

- Did Sedin have a better year than Crosby last year? Some or most might answer yes = why he won the Hart.

- Is Sedin the better hockey player? I would think most would answer no = why Crosby is higher on this list.

[toby91_ca]

When I saw the title, I was thinking top 50 all time, which would have been more interesting, but anyway. Any list like this can be picked apart and scrutinized forever, I won't do that, just want to point out a few things that caught my eye:

- I'm fine with 1 and 2, regardless of order
- Not sure I'd have Miller as 3
- Toews at 5 is uncomprehensible - I don't like calling a player like Toews overrated because he is an awesome player, but if you are going to rate him that high, then yes, he's overrated.
- I don't understand how Datsyuk keeps his high spot and Zetterberg drops dramatically. I'd be more apt to keep them both relatively similar to last year. The explanation for Zetterberg's drop must be because of his poor offensive season, but his offensive stats were better than Datsyuk's (ppg basis), why wasn't Datsyuk impacted by his poor offensive season? They probably kept him up there because of his Selke, but I'm not sure that's fair to Zetterberg (not that the list matters or anything though).
- I'm not going to throw a hissy fit about Lidstrom being 17. He is declining, there is no question, I would have excpected a drop.

[CaliWingsNut]

Z is 22nd?!?!?

fail.

[Stolberg]

I kind of have a problem with grouping goalies into lists like this but whatever. It looks okay to me.

Zetterberg should be ahead of Kopitar but I don't really have a problem with where he is on the list.

[Shaman464]

Toews as it stands today is a poor man's Zetterberg, There is no way Toews is better than him.

[Motown4013]

Hank at 22 is really low. He was hurt last year and so were his linemates. Zetterberg is a better player than Toews, he just didnt have the kind of season that reflects that. He should be higher IMO.

[Winged_Wheeler]

When Zetterberg's healthy, he can score 40 goals, plain and simple.

[Buppy]

With Hank, I think having two down seasons in a row hurt him. Remember he only had 73 points two years ago. Not that I agree with the ranking, but I think I can understand the reasoning.

This list is better than Eva's at least.

[titanium2]

Hank at 22 is really low. He was hurt last year and so were his linemates. Zetterberg is a better player than Toews, he just didnt have the kind of season that reflects that. He should be higher IMO.

When Zetterberg's healthy, he can score 40 goals, plain and simple.

All they really care about is concrete results.

[hooon]

Disagree with quite a lot. I agree with whomever said goalies shouldn't be on this list. At a glance:

Players ranked too low:
Zetterberg at 22
Kovalchuk at 19
Mike Richards at 23
Marlaeu at 42??? What?
Chara at 37
Nash at 36
Cammelleri at 49
Getzlaf at 29

Players ranked too high:
Toews at 5
Kane at 12, not yet Kane
St. Louis at 13, are you kidding me?
Pronger, obv not better than Lidstrom


There's more but most of it goes without saying.

[Original-Six]

Ovechkin is still #1 imo. If he were to make up those 10 games that Crosby/Sedin had over him he easily would of won every single individual award accept the Selke.
But in all seriousness who cares about these lists.

Edited by Original-Six, 20 August 2010 - 01:45 PM.

[titanium2]

Guess it's extra motivation for Z to have a really good season next year.

[hock91]

That list is laughable.

[Detroit # 1 Fan]

Toews is the most overated player in the league right now. An awesome Olympics+Playoffs(minus the Finals) and all of a sudden he's great. Yeah, not so much, he's a hardworker and I like him, but he hasnt had more then 70 points in an NHL season. I'll take Stamkos, Backstrom, M. Richards, and Getzlaf over him anyday. Also, just caught my eye... Burrows a top 50 player in the NHL?