GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 This is my list. Also, we're only talking about their NHL careers, and not taking international play into account. 1. Nicklas Lidstrom 2. Peter Forsberg 3. Mats Sundin 4. Borje Salming 5. Kent Nilsson 6. Daniel Alfredsson 7. Markus Naslund 8. Henrik Zetterberg 9. Mats Naslund 10. Hakan Loob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 Like your list - would probably have Salming 3rd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LarryMurphySpecial Report post Posted August 20, 2010 This is my list. Also, we're only talking about their NHL careers, and not taking international play into account. 1. Nicklas Lidstrom 2. Peter Forsberg 3. Mats Sundin 4. Borje Salming 5. Kent Nilsson 6. Daniel Alfredsson 7. Markus Naslund 8. Henrik Zetterberg 9. Mats Naslund 10. Hakan Loob At this point I would almost certainly put Zetterberg over Naslund. Besides a few peak years, Naslund's overall totals don't hold a candle to Zetterbergs, and thats not taking into account greater defesne play/playoff success. 1 Namingway reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 At this point I would almost certainly put Zetterberg over Naslund. Besides a few peak years, Naslund's overall totals don't hold a candle to Zetterbergs, and thats not taking into account greater defesne play/playoff success. Actually, he probably has better numbers than Hank. Not as great in the playoffs, but Hank has played on better teams and has never had to be "the man". Naslund has being the captain in Vancouver of all places. Has Zetteberg ever even been up for the Hart Trophy? Why would you rank Zetterberg higher? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stolberg Report post Posted August 20, 2010 Regular season Naslund - .77ppg Zetterberg - .93ppg Playoffs Naslund - .69ppg Zetterberg - .93ppg Awards Naslund - Lester B. Pearson Zetterberg - Conn Smythe Obviously Naslund's career was twice as long. He put up 60 points or more from 1998-2007. Zetterberg still has quite a few more years left and I wouldn't be surprised if his scoring pace starts to slip with age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 The nominating system is skewed. Hank should probably have 1 nomination for the Hart trophy to his credit. Most VALUABLE player. I am going to lean towards without Hank, things wouldn't go so well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 Regular season Naslund - .77ppg Zetterberg - .93ppg Playoffs Naslund - .69ppg Zetterberg - .93ppg Awards Naslund - Lester B. Pearson Zetterberg - Conn Smythe Obviously Naslund's career was twice as long. He put up 60 points or more from 1998-2007. Zetterberg still has quite a few more years left and I wouldn't be surprised if his scoring pace starts to slip with age. But I was talking about current ranking and not a projected list for the future. Besides, with Zetteberg's health always being an issue, I'm not sure what will happen to his stats over time either. 1 Tommy_Like_Wingy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stolberg Report post Posted August 20, 2010 I agree. I'm saying that Zetterberg still has a ways to go to pass up Naslund. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 The nominating system is skewed. Hank should probably have 1 nomination for the Hart trophy to his credit. Most VALUABLE player. I am going to lean towards without Hank, things wouldn't go so well. Naslund was the captain of a team that wasn't nearly as talented as the teams Zetteberg played on. Dan Cloutier was their goalie for pete's sake. I think the nominations for Naslund were more than fair. Zetterberg is at best the 2nd most valuable player to the Wings behind Nick. He's likely behind Datsyuk as well. That's why he hasn't been nominated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 Naslund was the captain of a team that wasn't nearly as talented as the teams Zetteberg played on. Dan Cloutier was their goalie for pete's sake. I think the nominations for Naslund were more than fair. Zetterberg is at best the 2nd most valuable player to the Wings behind Nick. He's likely behind Datsyuk as well. That's why he hasn't been nominated. Good points. And I never really stated the nominating of Naslund was wrong, was simply saying that Hank should have had a nomination in the last few years. Agreed that the talent that Hank has had on his lines compared to Naslund is pretty obvious which is where I will say the points are noted to you but again in the last few years Hank should have had a nomination tossed his way. But...Hank fan boy guilty as charged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) Good points. And I never really stated the nominating of Naslund was wrong, was simply saying that Hank should have had a nomination in the last few years. Agreed that the talent that Hank has had on his lines compared to Naslund is pretty obvious which is where I will say the points are noted to you but again in the last few years Hank should have had a nomination tossed his way. But...Hank fan boy guilty as charged. You are guilty as charged, because Zetteberg has scored 68 points in 2007, 92 in 2008, 73 in 2009 and 70 last year. Aside from 2008, he shouldn't even be close to being nominated for the Hart. Those numbers are nothing compared to what Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin are doing. Not to mention all those goalies that single handedly carry teams into the playoffs every year. Zetteberg is a great player, especially in the clutch, but not good enough to be nominated for the Hart as of yet. Edited August 20, 2010 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted August 20, 2010 You are guilty as charged Aside from 2008 Agreed and That was the season I was speaking of. My bad for the mis-understanding. Hank did miss 7 games due to injury and Pav put up 5 more points that season but with the missed games who's to say the output. Iggy, Malkin, and Ovie were the nominees that season and I guess in retrospect with those names it would have been tough but I can't see why not at least a nod to a nominee if Ovie is such an obvious choice that year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 This is my list. Also, we're only talking about their NHL careers, and not taking international play into account. 1. Nicklas Lidstrom 2. Peter Forsberg 3. Mats Sundin 4. Borje Salming 5. Kent Nilsson 6. Daniel Alfredsson 7. Markus Naslund 8. Henrik Zetterberg 9. Mats Naslund 10. Hakan Loob It's a tough one, I agree. But no mention of greats like Andreas Lilja, Robert Nyström and Tomas Sandström (not to mention the Swedish Sieve!)? I then spent some time writing about why Nilsson should have been included in your list. Then I saw that he was. For the sake of debate, what about the top ten Swedish players in WHA history? Ulf Nilsson Anders Hedberg Kenta Nilsson Willy Lindström Apologies, it is one in the morning and I have just gotten home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 Naslund is absolutely over Zetterberg. Naslund won the Pearson trophy in 2002-03, and was second in league scoring and Hart voting (Forsberg won) and was a First Team All-Star three consecutive years while playing on a line with Brendan Morrison and Todd Bertuzzi, both of whom saw significant declines immediately after being separated from Naslund. Zetterberg will likely be ahead of Naslund by the end of this season or next, but right now it's Naslund. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RinkRat82 3 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 In my way off thinking due to the fact that hank still has a while left to play and as some have said will pass Naslund this year that makes Z a better player already but thats just me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8 Legged RedWing 367 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 But I was talking about current ranking and not a projected list for the future. Besides, with Zetteberg's health always being an issue, I'm not sure what will happen to his stats over time either. Since when is his health always an issue? I think the list is good and all but definitely a year or two and Hank moves up no doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grwingfan 21 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 Curious why Sedin's haven't been mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 22, 2010 1. Nicklas Lidstrom 2. Peter Forsberg 3. Mats Sundin 4. Borje Salming 5. Henrik Zetterberg 6. Kenta Nilsson 7. Daniel Alfredsson 8. Markus Näslund 9. Håkan Loob 10. Bob Nyström 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyTownHouligan 57 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 sedins anyone??? henrik in particular Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Curious why Sedin's haven't been mentioned. Probably because they don't deserve to be on this list. If I can think of a better reason, I'll let you know. The other players I mentioned are more deserving. Oh and mindfly, I love the Bob Nystrom reference, but I don't think he's one of the 10 best Swedes in NHL history. In terms of my favorite Swedes he'd be near the top, though. He was a true hockey player who always played well in the playoffs and scored lots of big goals for the Isles. A team first guy and one of the 10 best fighters in league history, period. Never saw him take a bad loss. Stats wise, though, he doesn't get on this list. Edited August 22, 2010 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted August 23, 2010 The nominating system is skewed. Hank should probably have 1 nomination for the Hart trophy to his credit. Most VALUABLE player. I am going to lean towards without Hank, things wouldn't go so well. Not sure how a system could be skewed when it doesn't even exit. NO ONE is nominated, voters can vote for any player they wish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted August 23, 2010 What? No Ulf Samuelsson? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted August 24, 2010 Like your list - would probably have Salming 3rd. This was my first impression. Sundin and Salming had very similar careers. No Stanley Cups or major awards, and both spent most of their careers toiling away on some pretty mediocre Leafs teams. However, both players were considered top players in the league at their respective positions. Anyways, my list looks like this: Lidstrom Forsberg Salming Sundin Naslund Alfredsson Zetterberg Henrik Sedin Nilsson I can't decide if I want Pelle Lindberg or Mats Naslund in the last spot. I'll let it remain a tie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted August 24, 2010 Probably because they don't deserve to be on this list. If I can think of a better reason, I'll let you know. The other players I mentioned are more deserving. Oh and mindfly, I love the Bob Nystrom reference, but I don't think he's one of the 10 best Swedes in NHL history. In terms of my favorite Swedes he'd be near the top, though. He was a true hockey player who always played well in the playoffs and scored lots of big goals for the Isles. A team first guy and one of the 10 best fighters in league history, period. Never saw him take a bad loss. Stats wise, though, he doesn't get on this list. I disagree. When you disregard play outside the NHL, Henrik Sedin is a more accomplished player than either Hakan Loob or Mats Naslund. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted August 24, 2010 Thomas Steen anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites