wings1110 184 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) Over the past few weeks i have read countless articles suggesting the wings should retire a few numbers. To me having your number retired by a franchise such as the detroit red wings should be reserved for the best of the best. How do you know for sure if a number should be retired? When there is no debate about it, if u need to debate about whether the player should have their number retired, then they shouldnt, the feeling should be unanimous. not to say the players being suggested arnt great players, but they arnt to be put in the same catagory as howe, yzerman, and the rest of the retired numbers. to me there is only one person at this point in time that deserves to have their number retired, Lidstrom. And he will have his number retired without a doubt, and no one is going to argue about whether he should have his number retired or not because everyone know he should and he is one of the all time red wing greats. IF THERE IS ANY DEBATE THEIR NUMBER SHOULDNT BE RETIRED THEN IT SHOULDNT, otherwise it makes it less special. PS if ur thinking about debating whether lidstrom should have his number retired....... just shut the f*** up Edited September 2, 2010 by wings1110 1 Branton87 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 Larry Aurie was 'un-retired' because he is not in the Hall of Fame - a good comparison for him would be a high-scoring Kris Draper. He once led the league in goals and also once led the league in playoff points. Great leader with a lot of intangibles and equally valuable with or without the puck. Red Kelly is a Hall of Famer and a vital cog in 4 Cups. If the Norris was around in his time, he would have 5 of them. His Hart record is better than any Red Wing not named Gordie Howe. The only 'debate' is that he went on to have some good years w/ Toronto (as a forward) after being traded from Detroit. The "debate" keeping these two from going up is flimsy, in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted September 2, 2010 Yes lidstrom is the only one who will have his jersey hanging in the rafters 2 wings1110 and 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 those 2 are more deserving than alot of the names being thrown around. but the fact of the matter is 3/4 fans dont even know who they are. imo we should just leave numbers from that long ago alone. why would we ritire them now if they werent retired in all the years since their careers ended. 1 Cheveldae32 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 those 2 are more deserving than alot of the names being thrown around. but the fact of the matter is 3/4 fans dont even know who they are. imo we should just leave numbers from that long ago alone. why would we ritire them now if they werent retired in all the years since their careers ended. Lindsay and Delvecchio weren't retired until 91, Sawchuk was 94, and Abel was 95. Kelly should have been included in that bunch. He was as good or better than any of them, and just as much a part of that dynasty. The Aurie thing is just a black mark on Ilitch. Regardless of how deserving Aurie is, a former owner decided to honor him, and Ilitch should honor that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 I was going to make points to debate Stevie's jersey retirement (facetiously, obviously), but I just can't bring myself to actually type it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 I have never heard a stranger story than the one involving Mr. Aurie's #6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 those 2 are more deserving than alot of the names being thrown around. but the fact of the matter is 3/4 fans dont even know who they are. imo we should just leave numbers from that long ago alone. why would we ritire them now if they werent retired in all the years since their careers ended. Because the Red Wings have a long and extraordinary history which should be recognized and celebrated? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 I have never heard a stranger story than the one involving Mr. Aurie's #6. Illitch really should right this wrong... there was no reason to un-retire it in the first place... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 Over the past few weeks i have read countless articles suggesting the wings should retire a few numbers. To me having your number retired by a franchise such as the detroit red wings should be reserved for the best of the best. How do you know for sure if a number should be retired? When there is no debate about it, if u need to debate about whether the player should have their number retired, then they shouldnt, the feeling should be unanimous. not to say the players being suggested arnt great players, but they arnt to be put in the same catagory as howe, yzerman, and the rest of the retired numbers. to me there is only one person at this point in time that deserves to have their number retired, Lidstrom. And he will have his number retired without a doubt, and no one is going to argue about whether he should have his number retired or not because everyone know he should and he is one of the all time red wing greats. IF THERE IS ANY DEBATE THEIR NUMBER SHOULDNT BE RETIRED THEN IT SHOULDNT, otherwise it makes it less special. PS if ur thinking about debating whether lidstrom should have his number retired....... just shut the f*** up Except this is the internet, and people will debate EVERYTHING. Hence, noone will ever go up in the rafters again if we follow that guideline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 You make a solid point... Until you look at Sid Abels number hanging, he doesn't belong with the rest of the group. Great player, great man but a step below in talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 You make a solid point... Until you look at Sid Abels number hanging, he doesn't belong with the rest of the group. Great player, great man but a step below in talent. He is very comparable to Delvecchio, with a Hart on his resume as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 You make a solid point... Until you look at Sid Abels number hanging, he doesn't belong with the rest of the group. Great player, great man but a step below in talent. If you're looking at numbers, comparing Abel to other players with retired numbers is like comparing apples to oranges. Abel played in an earlier time, before big time scorers. He's famous for centering the production line, but he was an old vet centering youngsters like Lindsay and Howe. For his day and age, he was a top player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted September 2, 2010 I've always wondered why they haven't retired Shawn Burr's #11. There has never been any debate about that, so clearly it deserves to be hung. 2 Uncle Danny and 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 Larry Aurie was 'un-retired' because he is not in the Hall of Fame - a good comparison for him would be a high-scoring Kris Draper. He once led the league in goals and also once led the league in playoff points. Great leader with a lot of intangibles and equally valuable with or without the puck. Red Kelly is a Hall of Famer and a vital cog in 4 Cups. If the Norris was around in his time, he would have 5 of them. His Hart record is better than any Red Wing not named Gordie Howe. The only 'debate' is that he went on to have some good years w/ Toronto (as a forward) after being traded from Detroit. The "debate" keeping these two from going up is flimsy, in my opinion. How do you know that's why Aurie was un-retired? I thought it was a mystery of sorts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 How do you know that's why Aurie was un-retired? I thought it was a mystery of sorts. Devellano stated so in an interview... But who knows, Ilitch has never said a word about it and the family has never been given a reason, nor really be acknowledged. It is strange. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 IMHO, I think in the summer of 2015 the numbers in the rafters should be these: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 19, 30 That adds Kelly, Lidstrom, Aurie, and Osgood to what's up there now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 Considering Ozzie is the franchise leader in playoff wins and second in regular season wins, he should be up there. Kelly should be up there too. I really don't know enough about Aurie to have a true opinion one way or the other, but looking at his career numbers, he was a similar player to Abel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 (PI)r^squared or e=mc2. Still waiting impatiently for them to retire those jersey numbers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 (PI)r^squared or e=mc2. Still waiting impatiently for them to retire those jersey numbers! well, then you should be using: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 well, then you should be using: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144... Fibonacci was a terrible leader, never backchecked, and always disappeared in the playoffs. 1 dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 Fibonacci was a terrible leader, never backchecked, and always disappeared in the playoffs. Yeah, he was always spiraling out of control... 3 seeinred, dobbles and 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 ...4 8 15 16 23 42 ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyuk Fan 14 Report post Posted September 3, 2010 Yeah, he was always spiraling out of control... Later in his career though, he was golden. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites