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When you've got guys like Downey on your team, opposing players think twice about throwing cheapshots. I agree with you in the sense that a guy that can do a little bit of everything would be ideal.

I'm not arguing that what you are stating is always false, but Brooks Orpik threw a cheapshot at Franzen a week ago and Downey was dressed that night. Sure, Bertuzzi defended Franzen after but having Downey around didn't cause Orpik to think twice. It's like the Laraque on Kronwall argument from last season - Laraque was going to stick his knee out regardless of the consequences to follow. Cheapshots are going to happen in the game.

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I'm not arguing that what you are stating is always false, but Brooks Orpik threw a cheapshot at Franzen a week ago and Downey was dressed that night. Sure, Bertuzzi defended Franzen after but having Downey around didn't cause Orpik to think twice. It's like the Laraque on Kronwall argument from last season - Laraque was going to stick his knee out regardless of the consequences to follow. Cheapshots are going to happen in the game.

Part of the issue may lie in the fact that our beloved Red Wings are 1 of the least penalised teams which may boost the bravado in some of our opponents.

Dunno if Oprik would feel as confident running a guy on the Flyers, or Maple Leafs.

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In my opinion, Abdelkader needs to focus on developing his offensive game. I wouldn't mind seeing him fight here and there, but he's got too much potential to be a career 4th line player. Leave the enforcing to someone else, you know?

Agree'd Abbie does need some work on his offensive game but his physical game could use some strengthening also... He likes to hit and will fight at times but both of those area's for him could use improvement as well. No better way for that then playing. If Downey is in someone has to be out.... who would you see out over Downey honestly?

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8 pages on the release of Downey? He was a crappy hockey player and a mediocre enforcer on a puck possession team... We have no need for a player like him. I'm glad he is not wasting valuable ice time that a younger player could use.

Anti-enforcer post alert. :siren:

BTW, to add to your list, Downey was a horrible person who punched babies and strangled elderly women.

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Downey would NEVER be on the ice with either of the above players. Hard to enforce anything for them from the bench! I'm all for a player who can drop the gloves and defend himself and his teammates but has to be able to play some hockey as well.

This is exactly what I mean.

Where were these posts when Downey was in the lineup? Did the cat get your tongue then?

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Part of the issue may lie in the fact that our beloved Red Wings are 1 of the least penalised teams which may boost the bravado in some of our opponents.

Dunno if Oprik would feel as confident running a guy on the Flyers, or Maple Leafs.

Let's not get into silly speculation, now.

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I'm not saying Abby's got all star potential, I'm just saying I think he could be a solid 2 way 3rd line center.

So you're saying that it'd best if he wasn't a solid two-way center who would also fight? Wouldn't you rather have it all in one package, just like we had with McCarty, or would it be better to waste a roster spot on an enforcer who can fight but is unable to contribute anything else? Do you think at all before you post?

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This is exactly what I mean.

Where were these posts when Downey was in the lineup? Did the cat get your tongue then?

Please go back and read my posts... I didn't like Downey ever and I wrote about it too. I'm not anti-enforcer I am anti-goon which is about all Downey is and a terrible one at that. He is a garbage hockey player and a s***ty fighter and would not keep any cheap player honest, especially sitting on the bench. He didn't make the team for a reason and that because he can't play hockey. Abdelkader will provide more then Downey ever could and has the making of a good Power forward that can also play hockey.

Anti-enforcer post alert. :siren:

BTW, to add to your list, Downey was a horrible person who punched babies and strangled elderly women.

I don't give a crap if he's everyone's best friend and can turn water into wine... he can't play hockey which is the only reason why I am happy he isn't on the team.

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Change on the fly...Closest guy to the bench gets off the ice, the "tuff guy" jumps on, and goes after the opponent causing trouble.

^ This. It happens all the time and is failed to be acknowledged by the anti's concocting ridiculous theories as to why they think enforcers are useless. :thumbup:

esteef

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^ This. It happens all the time and is failed to be acknowledged by the anti's concocting ridiculous theories as to why they think enforcers are useless. :thumbup:

esteef

The sport has changed man... Pure Enforcers are obsolete now a days, they are useless. Back in the 80's sure but this is 2010 and the days of bench clearing brawls and players who can't do anything but fight are long gone. We wouldn't be having this same discussion if Downey could contribute something, however small, to go with his willingness to fight but he can't and he was cut for it.

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Oh no, the Wings may as well not play this season. Can't win the Cup without Downey. :scared:

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^ This. It happens all the time and is failed to be acknowledged by the anti's concocting ridiculous theories as to why they think enforcers are useless. :thumbup:

esteef

you do realize that as soon as the goon gets on the ice that the person he is trying to attack can just as easily change on the fly?

dobbles

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If pure enforcers are useless nowadays, how come just about every team seems to dress one?

Yeah, they're playing limited minutes, but that has always been the case with pure enforcers, even back in the 80's and 90's. They've always been 4th liners. That doesn't make someone useless, just because they're on the 4th line.

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If pure enforcers are useless nowadays, how come just about every team seems to dress one?

Yay, argument from majority.

Can you name me each pure enforcer on all of the 30 teams in the league?

Yeah, they're playing limited minutes, but that has always been the case with pure enforcers, even back in the 80's and 90's. They've always been 4th liners. That doesn't make someone useless, just because they're on the 4th line.

Just because the role of the enforcer has stayed the same doesn't mean the game itself hasn't changed.

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If pure enforcers are useless nowadays, how come just about every team seems to dress one?

Yeah, they're playing limited minutes, but that has always been the case with pure enforcers, even back in the 80's and 90's. They've always been 4th liners. That doesn't make someone useless, just because they're on the 4th line.

First how many pure enforcers are still playing because not every team dresses one?... pure enforcer we are speaking here. Did someone grab Laraques? Is Brashear still in the league? Would you really want a goon like Ivanans and his 12 goals in 4 years or Boogaard and his 2 goals in 5 years? Who would you sit for Downey? Signing Downey or someone like him means someone else doesn't play... even in Grand Rapids, if he is there some younger more talented kid isn't. 4th Liners are not useless and that is why we need to keep guys like Downey off of them and keep guys like Helm and Abbie on them... they both will hit, Abbie will fight and they are both getting better with the experience.

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Yay, argument from majority.

Can you name me each pure enforcer on all of the 30 teams in the league?

Just because the role of the enforcer has stayed the same doesn't mean the game itself hasn't changed.

I can name you a lot of pure enforcers, and would name you most teams, but that would take way too long. Besides, you know who they are, so what's the point?

The game has changed, but that doesn't mean teams have totally stopped using pure enforcers. Otherwise, guys like Godard, Orr, Boogaard, Shelley, Belak, Parros, Janssen, Barch, Thornton, McGrattan, Hordichuk, etc. wouldn't have a job in the NHL these last few years.

I don't think every GM in the league is dumb. When these types of players that I listed above totally disappear from the NHL, then I'll join your position.

First how many pure enforcers are still playing because not every team dresses one?... pure enforcer we are speaking here. Did someone grab Laraques? Is Brashear still in the league? Would you really want a goon like Ivanans and his 12 goals in 4 years or Boogaard and his 2 goals in 5 years? Who would you sit for Downey? Signing Downey or someone like him means someone else doesn't play... even in Grand Rapids, if he is there some younger more talented kid isn't. 4th Liners are not useless and that is why we need to keep guys like Downey off of them and keep guys like Helm and Abbie on them... they both will hit, Abbie will fight and they are both getting better with the experience.

Every team has a 4th liner in the minors, who is more talented than their enforcers. That doesn't prevent them from dressing those tough guys.

We've done it before too. It's honestly not that radical an idea.

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Yay, argument from majority.

Can you name me each pure enforcer on all of the 30 teams in the league?

Just because the role of the enforcer has stayed the same doesn't mean the game itself hasn't changed.

As I'm sure you're well aware, "nearly every team" wins the Stanley Cup every year, so it's certainly due to enforcers.

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As I'm sure you're well aware, "nearly every team" wins the Stanley Cup every year, so it's certainly due to enforcers.

It's not.

I'm just refuting the arguments people make about how enforcers are obsolete nowadays, despite the fact that just about every team has a pure goon that doesn't have much skill, and takes playing time away from those in the minors with more talent. The Wings did the same with May and Downey in recent history.

Apparently, some of posters here think they're smarter than most GM's in the NHL on this issue.

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I can name you a lot of pure enforcers, and would name you most teams, but that would take way too long. Besides, you know who they are, so what's the point?

The game has changed, but that doesn't mean teams have totally stopped using pure enforcers. Otherwise, guys like Godard, Orr, Boogaard, Shelley, Belak, Parros, Janssen, Barch, Thornton, McGrattan, Hordichuk, etc. wouldn't have a job in the NHL these last few years.

I don't think every GM in the league besides Holland is dumb. When these types of players that I listed above totally disappear from the NHL, then I'll join your position.

Every team has a 4th liner in the minors, who is more talented than their enforcers. That doesn't prevent them from dressing those tough guys.

We've done it before too. It's honestly not that radical an idea.

From our current roster who would you sit in place of the pure enforcer? And how many of the other GM's in the league have had as much success as Holland. I may not like very thing he does either but his record does speak for itself. I would rather have Abdlekader in there developing his abilites (hitting and fighting included) over a goon. I would rather a guy like the Mule learn to throw a huge body check to keep ppl honest then a goon... and I was happy to hear Big Bert flex some muscle and hope he does it some more to keep ppl honest.

Here this is on Mlive.com today: Adbelkader pegged to provide key physical presence...

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