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#21 GMRwings1983

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 04:43 PM

I have a new favorite poster now on LGW.
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#22 HankthaTank

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 04:45 PM

I have a new favorite poster now on LGW.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:02 PM

Yeah - who wants a guy that'll bring energy to the team,

Because we don't have any of those on the team.

stand up for his teammates when needed,

We don't have any of those on our team.

go into the corners/drive to the net,

We don't have any of those on our team.

and pound lumps on the noggins of Perry, and Pronger

Datsyuk fought Perry and did fine and I don't find it likely that Pronger would fight a guy with a better fighting record on this team. He went after Dan Cleary for crying out loud.

when we can have the likes of Hudler, and Miller playing instead :rolleyes:


I think it has been stated countless times why Hudler remains on this team, slumping aside, and Miller brings a defensive game no enforcer would match. Considering our even strength play is the issue right now, I don't see how an enforcer is going to fix any of those problems.

But good luck trying to convince us of that for the next 30 pages.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:15 PM

Honeslty, how many times this season have any of you sat there and said "man, I wish we had a no skill enforcer playing 4-5 mins a night right now instead of good defensive players. Those fights really win games for us". Teams very rarely goon it up on us, and if you want me to go find my posts about the Wings physical play on HF I can do that too. I swear, most enforcer slappies just want to watch fights, they dont even care if dressing an enforcer helps or hurts the team.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:24 PM

Honeslty, how many times this season have any of you sat there and said "man, I wish we had a no skill enforcer playing 4-5 mins a night right now instead of good defensive players. Those fights really win games for us". Teams very rarely goon it up on us, and if you want me to go find my posts about the Wings physical play on HF I can do that too. I swear, most enforcer slappies just want to watch fights, they dont even care if dressing an enforcer helps or hurts the team.

Not entirely so...In todays game the majority of enforcers must be capable of taking a regular shift, and contribute more besides dropping the gloves.

Personally I'm not aware of any tuff guy "hurting", or being a distraction for any team at the NHL level (Georges Laraque maybe :unsure: ).

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:42 PM

You guys just don't get it, if we had a real enforcer on the team it would just ruin everything, the rest of our players would instantly start sucking and we would be bottom dwellers in the West until he was removed from the lineup. The Wings are just not deep enough at the forward position to allow a knuckle-dragger to occupy a roster spot. (quick someone point out my debate strategy to appear smart!)

Enforcer threads are fun.
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#27 Yzermania

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:48 PM

Oooh fun!!! When was the last time we had an enforcer discussion? It actually seems like a HWile.


wait, what? a hwile? you mean a while?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:50 PM

You guys just don't get it, if we had a real enforcer on the team it would just ruin everything, the rest of our players would instantly start sucking and we would be bottom dwellers in the West until he was removed from the lineup. The Wings are just not deep enough at the forward position to allow a knuckle-dragger to occupy a roster spot. (quick someone point out my debate strategy to appear smart!)

Enforcer threads are fun.
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Dammit - should've trade marked "knuckle dragger"...Now everyone here is gonna use it :angry:

And yes - enforcer threads are fun.
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:51 PM

You guys just don't get it


Yes we do.

if we had a real enforcer on the team it would just ruin everything

No it wouldn't

the rest of our players would instantly start sucking and we would be bottom dwellers in the West until he was removed from the lineup

ERRONEOUS!

The Wings are just not deep enough at the forward position to allow a knuckle-dragger to occupy a roster spot.

SEE: Ruslan Salei

(quick someone point out my debate strategy to appear smart!)

tried

Enforcer threads are fun.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:57 PM

SEE: Ruslan Salei

:lol: Indeed.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:59 PM

Honeslty, how many times this season have any of you sat there and said "man, I wish we had a no skill enforcer playing 4-5 mins a night right now instead of good defensive players. Those fights really win games for us". Teams very rarely goon it up on us, and if you want me to go find my posts about the Wings physical play on HF I can do that too. I swear, most enforcer slappies just want to watch fights, they dont even care if dressing an enforcer helps or hurts the team.

Oh, yes! I have SOOOOOO often wished for a no-skill enforcer playing 4-5 mins a night.

Wait a minute! Isn't this about getting someone that with reasonably good skill who can fight as well? Kind of like, oh, say, Helm or Abby or Eaves or Miller or Ericsson except that they could also do more than hold their own in a fight?

A GOOD player, but a tough one. A DMac. A Shanny. A Probie. That kind of a guy.

Not a time-wasting floater whose only job it is is to goon it up. Someone who can take a shift, and take it well, and THEN punch the lights out of someone when needed.

Then take this ONE guy and add him to a roster that contains the likes of Zata, Pavel, Norris Nick, etc.

Why, oh why, do people always assume that if you like beef you can't have an assortment of side dishes?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 06:03 PM

wait, what? a hwile? you mean a while?


Yeah that's what I said, a hwile.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 06:13 PM

Enforcers help toughen up soft Euros, in order to ready them for a playoff run, by which point they'll be battle tested.

Oh, yes! I have SOOOOOO often wished for a no-skill enforcer playing 4-5 mins a night.

Wait a minute! Isn't this about getting someone that with reasonably good skill who can fight as well? Kind of like, oh, say, Helm or Abby or Eaves or Miller or Ericsson except that they could also do more than hold their own in a fight?

A GOOD player, but a tough one. A DMac. A Shanny. A Probie. That kind of a guy.

Not a time-wasting floater whose only job it is is to goon it up. Someone who can take a shift, and take it well, and THEN punch the lights out of someone when needed.

Then take this ONE guy and add him to a roster that contains the likes of Zata, Pavel, Norris Nick, etc.

Why, oh why, do people always assume that if you like beef you can't have an assortment of side dishes?


Because there are certain fans here who are too in love with some useless 4th liners, to bear the thought of that player leaving for an enforcer in the lineup.
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 06:36 PM

Honeslty, how many times this season have any of you sat there and said "man, I wish we had a no skill enforcer playing 4-5 mins a night right now instead of good defensive players. Those fights really win games for us". Teams very rarely goon it up on us, and if you want me to go find my posts about the Wings physical play on HF I can do that too. I swear, most enforcer slappies just want to watch fights, they dont even care if dressing an enforcer helps or hurts the team.

Yeah youre right. Drew Millers 6 points, -1, 8 minutes on the ice per game and next to no physicality would really help this team more then Zenon Konopka's 8 minutes on ice per game, 2 minutes on the PK, 5 points, big hits, fights and 59% on face offs.

Millers stats are also way better then Prust's 12 minutes on the ice per game, 1 and a half minutes on the PK, 15 points and fighting.

Wow look at that Konopka who led the league in fighting majors last year has pretty much the same stats as Miller while being a way bigger hitter, a very good fighter and just overall more physical.

Prust has pretty much better stats in every facet of the game and his primary role is an enforcer.

Thats not to mention guys like Clarkson who is clearly better, Chris Neil, or defenseman like Carkner or Engelland who are just as good as Ruslan Salei, if not better.

Maybe people should start looking at facts instead of assuming all enforcers cant play hockey or skate. Its called watching hockey, I guess some people don't watch they just read the boxscore see a fight and assume the guy isn't good at hockey. :rolleyes:

Yeah that's what I said, a hwile.

Hwy am I saying hwat, hwat hway? :cool:

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 06:39 PM

Because there are certain fans here who are too in love with some useless 4th liners, to bear the thought of that player leaving for an enforcer in the lineup.

HWatever do you mean?!?!
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 06:48 PM

Yeah youre right. Drew Millers 6 points, -1, 8 minutes on the ice per game and next to no physicality would really help this team more then Zenon Konopka's 8 minutes on ice per game, 2 minutes on the PK, 5 points, big hits, fights and 59% on face offs.

Millers stats are also way better then Prust's 12 minutes on the ice per game, 1 and a half minutes on the PK, 15 points and fighting.

Wow look at that Konopka who led the league in fighting majors last year has pretty much the same stats as Miller while being a way bigger hitter, a very good fighter and just overall more physical.

Prust has pretty much better stats in every facet of the game and his primary role is an enforcer.

Thats not to mention guys like Clarkson who is clearly better, Chris Neil, or defenseman like Carkner or Engelland who are just as good as Ruslan Salei, if not better.

Maybe people should start looking at facts instead of assuming all enforcers cant play hockey or skate. Its called watching hockey, I guess some people don't watch they just read the boxscore see a fight and assume the guy isn't good at hockey. :rolleyes:


Good points.

Plenty of tough guys out there putting up as many numbers as 4th line non-fighters. If those non-fighters were so skilled, they'd be playing on the top 2 lines of their team.

I think the Wings could benefit from a 6'4 or 6'5 fourth liner, who can lay out some great bodychecks. Helm and Eaves will check, but they're not very big and don't really wear down the defense very well. Bigger forwards can do that over the course of a game or playoff series. We never seem to have 4th liners like that, and I'm not even talking about fighting yet.

Edited by GMRwings1983, 05 January 2011 - 07:08 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 06:51 PM

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So what does that suppose to mean :rolleyes:

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 07:27 PM

ummm we do have an enforcer......our powerplay :hysterical: isnt that our motto?


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Posted 05 January 2011 - 07:44 PM

Good points.

Plenty of tough guys out there putting up as many numbers as 4th line non-fighters. If those non-fighters were so skilled, they'd be playing on the top 2 lines of their team.

I think the Wings could benefit from a 6'4 or 6'5 fourth liner, who can lay out some great bodychecks. Helm and Eaves will check, but they're not very big and don't really wear down the defense very well. Bigger forwards can do that over the course of a game or playoff series. We never seem to have 4th liners like that, and I'm not even talking about fighting yet.

Brandon Prust has 15 points coming into tonight. He's scored 3 short-handed goals. so he can play the penalty kill, he'll fight anyone, and he'll chip in on offense. Who the hell would get rid of some small, soft player that has been playing under-par all year for someone like that?!?!? Chris Thorburn has 14 points playing on Atlanta's 4th line with Ben Eager and Eric Boulton..put him with Eaves and Helm or Miller and see the points pile up.. As mentioned in posts before, Zenon Konopka can play a regular shift, fight anyone, and put up a few points as well.
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 07:47 PM

After watching almost every Bruins game this year, I would kill to have Shawn Thornton as a Wing. This year: 7 G, 2 A, +5, 86 hits according to TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/nh...rs/bio/?id=1314). The local sports talk station has him on every week; he is great, brings a great attitude and it looks to me like he does a lot to fire up his team and be a leader. It seems like most posters here would dismiss him as a meathead, though, because he will take on ANYONE in the league and frequently does. As far as skating, he kept up earlier this year with Campbell and Marchand fine, I thought, though I think playing him with Seguin as they're currently doing is somewhat of a waste. He would be fine with Abdelkader and Draper/Miller/whoever.

Other than that, I've made all my arguments before. This thread is actually mildly entertaining so far, actually, without devolving (yet). :P

As mentioned in posts before, Zenon Konopka can play a regular shift, fight anyone, and put up a few points as well.


Not to mention, was available this off-season. I knew it was unrealistic at the time, but I'm still a little sad the Wings didn't surprise us and pick him up.





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