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Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you...

How often does a defensmen like a young Keith Yandle become available? He's a franchise player, a player you build a team around....

Filpulla is a type of player you can find twice a year, if not more.

Kindl is a dman that got beat out by Salei...

Smith, while a good looking prospect, is just that, a prospect. He wasn't even the best defensemen on the Griffins', let alone the best player on the AHL Griffins. He has a ways to go before he can even crack the NHL.

This post is incredible in such a horrible way. There is literally not one correct thing about it.

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Wasn't the best Dman on the Griffs?!?!?! He only had 12 goals 20 assists in 63 games and was plus 7 on a horrible team...

You didn't go to any games I see...

Smith looked average at best (and a liability defensively). Actually, the only time I really noticed him was when he was going to the penalty box. Meech was the best dman on the team. He stood out in all areas.

Try watching a game before acting like you know what you're talking about...

Ericsson was a 2nd best +/- stats among dmen on the red wings last year, by your logic he was the 2nd best dman on the team ahead of kronwall, Lidstrom, Stuart and Salei...

:facepalm:

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Looks like Holland isn't in the running for Yandle anyhow, he just signed Ian White and has a full roster on D.

This post is incredible in such a horrible way. There is literally not one correct thing about it.

You are kidding yourself if you think Yandle isn't a player to build a team around. He's a ******* stud... and he's only 24.

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Looks like Holland isn't in the running for Yandle anyhow, he just signed Ian White and has a full roster on D.

White's perfect insurance if he doesn't get Yandle. The White signing doesn't tell us anything about Yandle. If he signs Yandle, Kindl is gone and Commie is a 1 mil 7th d-man (which is very reasonable).

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You are kidding yourself if you think Yandle isn't a player to build a team around. He's a ******* stud... and he's only 24.

He is, for sure. I wouldn't mind giving up Flip for him, either, but your previous assessment of Smith and Filpulla are just incorrect, I think.

Which would have to include Filpulla / Helm / Nyquist / Smith + 2 first round picks instead of Abby

I understand that the Wings will have to give up somethign to get a talent like Yandle, but as good as Yandle is and could be, he's no Hasek or Lidstrom, why on Earth would any team give up that much for him? I can see two players and a pick. I can see maybe three players, but not four players and two first round picks.

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He is, for sure. I wouldn't mind giving up Flip for him, either, but your previous assessment of Smith and Filpulla are just incorrect, I think.

I don't think Holland is even in the running for Yandle. And if he was, there are 20 other teams that have more to offer than most of these trade offers I see. The only way Holland can make this trade competitive is including good prospects (Smith) and special NHLers (Helm). Filpulla is great, but he's not special. And his contract isn't a bargain for what he brings to the table...

Remember what Minny got for Burns (and I think Yandle is a superior dman to Burns), Coyle is a compatible prospect to Smith.

I think anything less than Filpulla + Helm + Smith + a 1st round pick, 'Yotes would laugh in Holland's face. Yandle is worth four 1st round picks. Holland is giving up on two 1st round picks and a late 3rd (Filpulla) and a 5th (Helm).

'Yotes don't want garbage or DRWs rejects.

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I think anything less than Filpulla + Helm + Smith + a 1st round pick, 'Yotes would laugh in Holland's face. Yandle is worth four 1st round picks. Holland is giving up on two 1st round picks and a late 3rd (Filpulla) and a 5th (Helm).

That's not really how it works. Why are you even mentioning the round in which roster players were drafted?

If that mattered, then Kronwall (1st round), Lidstrom (3rd round), Zetterberg (7th round) and Datsyuk (6th round) combined wouldn't be enough to match those magical 4 first round picks.

Edit: My personal opinion is that Fil and 2 1st rounders should do it. Maybe also a mid-level prospect. That is IF the Coyotes actually wanted to trade him.

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A few summary points to this discussion;

1. YES, Yandle would make perfect sense for this team long term.

2. YES, Holland can put together a package that would make sense for both teams.

3. YES, Our biggest problem to any of this may very well be the man(men) behind the curtain who are running the show in the desert. Who or whom are actually running the team(Bettman, BOG?) and with the current situation(staying, going?) just what exactly is the motive they're using.

They could what the best all out team that can compete for the cup asap(fans choice). A competitive team with a fair amount of prospects(potential buyers choice) or something else completely. I just don't see Bettman or the BOG giving us the next possible Lindstrom for around fair market value. This is the situation that would worry me the most in term of mischief considering the league still owns the team.

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A few summary points to this discussion;

1. YES, Yandle would make perfect sense for this team long term.

2. YES, Holland can put together a package that would make sense for both teams.

3. YES, Our biggest problem to any of this may very well be the man(men) behind the curtain who are running the show in the desert. Who or whom are actually running the team(Bettman, BOG?) and with the current situation(staying, going?) just what exactly is the motive they're using.

They could what the best all out team that can compete for the cup asap(fans choice). A competitive team with a fair amount of prospects(potential buyers choice) or something else completely. I just don't see Bettman or the BOG giving us the next possible Lindstrom for around fair market value. This is the situation that would worry me the most in term of mischief considering the league still owns the team.

You better have a good excuse

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Word out on the street is Coyotes are looking for a #1 center. Not a #2, not a #3, but a #1.

Unless Franzen can play center, Wings don't have what they need.

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I'd imagine Chicago will be big players for Yandle. They can offer a 30+ goal scoring center in Patrick Sharp + some blue chip prospects.

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Word out on the street is Coyotes are looking for a #1 center. Not a #2, not a #3, but a #1.

Unless Franzen can play center, Wings don't have what they need.

EDIT:

I'd imagine Chicago will be big players for Yandle. They can offer a 30+ goal scoring center in Patrick Sharp + some blue chip prospects.

Source? Or are we talking about you and your neighbor talking out by your mailboxes as the "word on the streets"? Unless you provide a source, then "word on the streets" is garbage. IMO.

Not to mention what you are looking for, and what you get, are two different things. When I buy a powerball ticket I am looking to become a millionaire, but what I usually get is either nothing, or an 8 dollar winner. Just sayin.....

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Hudler, Kindl and a 1st for Yandle's RFA rights if the Yotes feel they can't get him signed.

Lol?

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If I was a gambling man, I'd put money on the Blackhawks acquiring Yandle if he's moved. They have a hole left by Campbell and have a lot more to offer in terms of assets.

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Lol?

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I am quite serious. IF the situation is that Coyotes can't get him signed they'll likely try to move his rights. They're still rights anyway, so they can't expect getting too much out of it. Coyotes are reportedly looking for an offensive center and Hudler could have potential for that. Kindl is a promising two-way defender which every team in the league could probably use.

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Hudler, Kindl and a 1st for Yandle's RFA rights if the Yotes feel they can't get him signed.

Switch Hudler with Filppula and I think that could probably get the deal done. I just dont see Hudler having the trade value at all. Maybe you throw Flip and Hudler and get an ok prospect or something back as well.

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I am quite serious. IF the situation is that Coyotes can't get him signed they'll likely try to move his rights. They're still rights anyway, so they can't expect getting too much out of it. Coyotes are reportedly looking for an offensive center and Hudler could have potential for that. Kindl is a promising two-way defender which every team in the league could probably use.

I like your optimism, but never gonna happen. Coyotes can get a far better deal than our scraps and late round 1st pick. There are 28 other teams in the NHL, ya know...

Holland couldn't even get rid of Hudler for a freakin' draft pick... Now you expect him to land Keith ******* Yandle? Thanks for the laugh. :clap:

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I don't think Holland is even in the running for Yandle. And if he was, there are 20 other teams that have more to offer than most of these trade offers I see. The only way Holland can make this trade competitive is including good prospects (Smith) and special NHLers (Helm). Filpulla is great, but he's not special. And his contract isn't a bargain for what he brings to the table...

Remember what Minny got for Burns (and I think Yandle is a superior dman to Burns), Coyle is a compatible prospect to Smith.

I think anything less than Filpulla + Helm + Smith + a 1st round pick, 'Yotes would laugh in Holland's face. Yandle is worth four 1st round picks. Holland is giving up on two 1st round picks and a late 3rd (Filpulla) and a 5th (Helm).

'Yotes don't want garbage or DRWs rejects.

I don't understand how on one hand you can say that the Minny trade should be used as a comparison and then shoot down people's suggestions of Smith, Fil, and a 1st. Since you think Yandle is better than Burns there would be no pick coming back as there was in the SJ/MINN deal.

This whole thread has been ridiculous. Everyone keeps freaking out and saying Holland couldn't even trade Hudler for a pick or that the Wings don't have the assets to make a Yandle deal happen. First, you have no clue what Holland was asking in exchange for Hudler. For all we know Holland wanted a roster player back and teams were unwilling to go that route or trade a roster player the caliber of what Holland was asking for. So before you continue to freak that Hudler wasn't dealt you should consider the fact that the Wings don't overpay in free agency and they do not give roster players away unless the return is greater than what they're shipping out. Secondly, the Wings would have just as good a shot at landing Yandle as any other team. You can't compare some of the trade proposals in this thread with what other teams could include a deal. You dont know that those teams would be willing to include better/more pieces. If Yandle is going to be traded the Wings will set their limits (in terms of what could be sent the other way) and if Phoenix wants more than the Wings will pass.

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Switch Hudler with Filppula and I think that could probably get the deal done. I just dont see Hudler having the trade value at all. Maybe you throw Flip and Hudler and get an ok prospect or something back as well.

The bottom line is we need to get rid of a d-man if we go after Yandle, so that's why Kindl is there. I'm ok with Filppula. Though I'd like moving Franzen more. Hudler could take Franzen's role, but neither of those guys have the defensive abilities Filppula has.

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I don't think Holland is even in the running for Yandle. And if he was, there are 20 other teams that have more to offer than most of these trade offers I see. The only way Holland can make this trade competitive is including good prospects (Smith) and special NHLers (Helm). Filpulla is great, but he's not special. And his contract isn't a bargain for what he brings to the table...

Remember what Minny got for Burns (and I think Yandle is a superior dman to Burns), Coyle is a compatible prospect to Smith.

I think anything less than Filpulla + Helm + Smith + a 1st round pick, 'Yotes would laugh in Holland's face. Yandle is worth four 1st round picks. Holland is giving up on two 1st round picks and a late 3rd (Filpulla) and a 5th (Helm).

'Yotes don't want garbage or DRWs rejects.

You can't think of established players like Filppula and Helm as 3rd and 5th round picks. Val is comparable to Mike Fisher. Fisher's a more productive offensively during the regular season but he's also 4 years older. Looking at their respective playoff numbers gives Val the advantage with 49pts in 75 games (0.65pts/game) compared to Fisher's 35pts in 87 games (0.40pts/game). Fisher got Ottawa a 1st round pick from Nashville so Val's definitely worth a 1st as well.

A package centred around Filppula, Smith and a 1st would certainly be the starting point. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted a second prospect (mid ranged) and a 2nd to 4th round pick as well.

Don't forget that SJ got Burns and a 2nd rounder for Seto, a top prospect and a 1st. Since a low first is worth approximately 2nd round picks you could say that SJ had to trade Seto, a top prospect and a 2nd for Burns. That has to be the comparable deal when it comes to Yandle. Burns isn't worth as much as Yandle but they're close enough that you could start the talks with a similar package and move on from there.

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I don't understand how on one hand you can say that the Minny trade should be used as a comparison and then shoot down people's suggestions of Smith, Fil, and a 1st. Since you think Yandle is better than Burns there would be no pick coming back as there was in the SJ/MINN deal.

This whole thread has been ridiculous. Everyone keeps freaking out and saying Holland couldn't even trade Hudler for a pick or that the Wings don't have the assets to make a Yandle deal happen. First, you have no clue what Holland was asking in exchange for Hudler. For all we know Holland wanted a roster player back and teams were unwilling to go that route or trade a roster player the caliber of what Holland was asking for. So before you continue to freak that Hudler wasn't dealt you should consider the fact that the Wings don't overpay in free agency and they do not give roster players away unless the return is greater than what they're shipping out. Secondly, the Wings would have just as good a shot at landing Yandle as any other team. You can't compare some of the trade proposals in this thread with what other teams could include a deal. You dont know that those teams would be willing to include better/more pieces. If Yandle is going to be traded the Wings will set their limits (in terms of what could be sent the other way) and if Phoenix wants more than the Wings will pass.

You're kidding yourself if you think Hudler has any decent value right now at this stage of his career. Now if Hudler puts up 60-70 points next season, then he might (by then he'll an UFA anyhow).

Fans of other teams are starting make fun of Red Wings fans because our trade proposals are always Hudler, Kindl + pick for star player x...

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Honestly, Hudler is worth more to us than any other team because other teams won't give us used bubbled gum and a bag of pucks for him, atleast if we keep him, he may excel being it's his contract year. So if he puts up career numbers, bonus for DRWs. If not, then no loss, because he has no value anyone.

I could see Yandle going to Chicago anyhow....

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Holland couldn't even get rid of Hudler for a freakin' draft pick...

You have no clue what Holland was asking for Hudler. He could have been asking for a 1st or a 2nd. He could have been asking for a 2nd and a 3rd-- we have no idea.

Anyone who thinks a team wouldn't give a 7th for Hudler is nuts. Sure he had a down season last year (37pts) but his last NHL season before that was 57pts with two 40+ pt seasons before that. Hudler's stock is certainly lower than it was 2 years ago but it's foolish to think he's literally worthless. Lots of teams want a PP specialist with a history of putting respectable numbers up. I mean hell-- Hudler's only 27. He clearly struggled to transition from the KHL to NHL but after about 30 games he was putting up his usual points/game. It's reasonable to assume that the initial struggles he had was related to the KHL to NHL transition and that type of stuff.

It's interesting that people assume that since Holland is shopping him and he hasn't traded him yet that Hudler must not be worth anything. Who said Holland didn't have a minimum return in mind when he tried to trade him? It's not like he was telling other gms: "please take this player, I'll take anything for him I just need him gone asap!". :lol:

Holland has 3 months to work something out.

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You're kidding yourself if you think Hudler has any decent value right now at this stage of his career. Now if Hudler puts up 60-70 points next season, then he might (by then he'll an UFA anyhow).

Fans of other teams are starting make fun of Red Wings fans because our trade proposals are always Hudler, Kindl + pick for star player x...

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Honestly, Hudler is worth more to us than any other team because other teams won't give us used bubbled gum and a bag of pucks for him, atleast if we keep him, he may excel being it's his contract year. So if he puts up career numbers, bonus for DRWs. If not, then no loss, because he has no value anyone.

I could see Yandle going to Chicago anyhow....

1. You completely misunderstood my post.

2. My opinion on what Hudler's value is is irrelevant

3. I never said Hudler, Kindl + pick for star player x was justifiable. What I am saying is that until you know for fact that teams wouldn't take that as a starting point your just force feeding us your opinion that any trade from the Wings for star player x would have to start with Smith, Pulk, all the top prospects in the system etc.

4. The point was that you are crying about Hudler not being dealt when you don't know what Holland was expecting in return. Holland determined that (so far) the best possible return for Jiri Hudler was not worth moving him.

You have no clue what Holland was asking for Hudler. He could have been asking for a 1st or a 2nd. He could have been asking for a 2nd and a 3rd-- we have no idea.

Anyone who thinks a team wouldn't give a 7th for Hudler is nuts. Sure he had a down season last year (37pts) but his last NHL season before that was 57pts with two 40+ pt seasons before that. Hudler's stock is certainly lower than it was 2 years ago but it's foolish to think he's literally worthless. Lots of teams want a PP specialist with a history of putting respectable numbers up. I mean hell-- Hudler's only 27. He clearly struggled to transition from the KHL to NHL but after about 30 games he was putting up his usual points/game. It's reasonable to assume that the initial struggles he had was related to the KHL to NHL transition and that type of stuff.

It's interesting that people assume that since Holland is shopping him and he hasn't traded him yet that Hudler must not be worth anything. Who said Holland didn't have a minimum return in mind when he tried to trade him? It's not like he was telling other gms: "please take this player, I'll take anything for him I just need him gone asap!". :lol:

Holland has 3 months to work something out.

Thank god some one understands. Hopefully now Heaten udnerstands what I was saying.

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